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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years

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But not "the look" that's traditional. Hell it was half his angle as champ over why Vince's supposedly hated him. Vince is back to trying to find "the look" of a long haired bodybuilder to sell merch and put on t-shirts. It aint working and he doesn't get it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the long haired bodybuilder type. Audiences like big guys with rippling muscles. On the flip-side, being a great worker from the indies does not mean that they deserve to main event. I think Cesaro is boring as fuck for example.

If you're referring to Roman Reigns (which I suspect you are), then I would argue that his failings come from a lack of knowing how to work around his weaknesses and come up with good stories for him. He's honestly quite good in the ring, the WWE has just done a piss poor job of giving me a reason to want to see him.
 

VoxPop

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60 days suspension now.

Was a stupid move by Titus.

Yeah didn't think it was a big deal but seeing it in HD makes it so much worse. Seriously what was he thinking? During a big sendoff moment and closing of the show.

It's not like he's some amazing wrestler either. He's nearly 40 and has never shown anything even remotely good.

Seems like Steph and Trips are laughing about it though.
 

RBH

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During last week’s WWE conference call, Vince McMahon blew off concerns about declining Raw ratings, citing the fact that many fans catch up with the show on YouTube. He also claimed that television viewership is down across the networks.

He wasn’t necessarily wrong, and Raw does remain the crown jewel of USA network, but his dismissal of concerns has been called into question by Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio. “Streaming doesn’t impact other big brands on television,” Meltzer stated, “UFC is up, football is the same.”


It as if WWE are forgetting that television is their bread and butter. For half a decade now the company has obsessed over social media, and now they appear to see YouTube as the next big thing. But whether it is Twitter or YouTube, neither are really going to make WWE big money.

“They make more money from television rights fees than anything else right now,” Meltzer said, “I think Vince is maybe getting bad advice, or maybe he actually believes it, I don’t know which.”

The Chairman seems to think that Raw can exist as a USA show and YouTube entity in equal measure, but he’s badly misjudging his brand potential. Meltzer described it as “completely illogical” for McMahon to think Raw ratings drops don’t really matter.


YouTube as a platform will only ever be worth so much money, relative to television it just isn’t worth it for WWE. An investor on the conference call last week even highlighted that the videos WWE upload to the internet would be better used on their own platforms. Content should be on the WWE App or WWE Network, not a third party platform.

“They still may be able to get good rights fees,” Meltzer says, but clearly Raw ratings declines could still impact WWE in the future.
http://whatculture.com/wwe/vince-mcmahon-listening-to-bad-advice-over-wwe-raw-ratings-decline.php
 
For what it's worth(nothing), I haven't seen an entire Raw in maybe 3 years. I just watch the stuff I care about on YouTube. Turns a 3 hour show into a 20 minute and under show for me.
 

GeeTeeCee

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For what it's worth(nothing), I haven't seen an entire Raw in maybe 3 years. I just watch the stuff I care about on YouTube. Turns a 3 hour show into a 20 minute and under show for me.

Yeah, quite a lot of the time I'll opt to watch highlights on Youtube for convenience's sake. But I'm in the UK, so it's not like I would've been impacting tv ratings anyway if I do watch the whole Raw.
 
For what it's worth(nothing), I haven't seen an entire Raw in maybe 3 years. I just watch the stuff I care about on YouTube. Turns a 3 hour show into a 20 minute and under show for me.

Ditto - Dave compares it to UFC and NFL which are both up but I sort of see wrestling differently. When I'm watching "real" sports I pretty much have to see them live or I don't care about them. With WWE I can just watch the reruns. Same thing with older footage - I love watching old wrestling on the network but I don't think I would ever have the desire to re-watch the Super Bowl from 1995 or something like that.
 

VoxPop

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Would NBC really want to reup if they were hitting the low 1's in the ratings? RAW is the WWE's marquee show and their only real outlet to the mainstream. WWE should be doing everything in their power to increase viewership. I highly doubt YouTube viewership matters in the grand scheme of things when less people in general are watching your product.

I'm curious if the WWE could put RAW on the Network for $20/mo and make it work.

#doomandgloom
 
Would NBC really want to reup if they were hitting the low 1's in the ratings? RAW is the WWE's marquee show and their only real outlet to the mainstream. WWE should be doing everything in their power to increase viewership. I highly doubt YouTube viewership matters in the grand scheme of things when less people in general are watching your product.

I'm curious if the WWE could put RAW on the Network for $20/mo and make it work.

#doomandgloom

It would probably work in the beginning. It would make the fanbase older and older because they would have no way to bring in new fans. Eventually they would see a negative effect. Raw on cable is essentially their gateway drug.
 

Kurdel

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WWE has a marketing problem.

I just started watching 3 months ago, and would have started watching way earlier knowing how dumb and self-aware it is.
 
WWE has a marketing problem.

I just started watching 3 months ago, and would have started watching way earlier knowing how dumb and self-aware it is.
Yes! I've had this conversation a lot with friends. I think this is why Lucha Underground is getting popular. They go all the way with it while WWE still has some problem with changing their presentation to accommodate a smarter audience who doesn't want to be treated like we're dumb. They need even more self-awareness in their product.
 

Tom Nook

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Would NBC really want to reup if they were hitting the low 1's in the ratings? RAW is the WWE's marquee show and their only real outlet to the mainstream. WWE should be doing everything in their power to increase viewership. I highly doubt YouTube viewership matters in the grand scheme of things when less people in general are watching your product.

I'm curious if the WWE could put RAW on the Network for $20/mo and make it work.

#doomandgloom

I don't think having RAW live in the Network for $10 more would entice people to subscribe. If it's included for $10/month, that I'll bite.
 

FyreWulff

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Would NBC really want to reup if they were hitting the low 1's in the ratings? RAW is the WWE's marquee show and their only real outlet to the mainstream. WWE should be doing everything in their power to increase viewership. I highly doubt YouTube viewership matters in the grand scheme of things when less people in general are watching your product.

I'm curious if the WWE could put RAW on the Network for $20/mo and make it work.

#doomandgloom

Raw is the reason USA Network even is notable on the ratings charts and makes them most of their ad money. It's in no real danger of being cancelled from the network point of view for quite some time - in fact, they forced Vince to make Raw permanently 3 hours because of it, even though he hates it. The best rating their original programming pulls is Suits, at 0.61.


The funny thing is when WCW was cancelled, even in it's downspin, it was the highest rated show on TNT. But that's because AOL didn't want it in the portfolio anymore, they thought 'wrasslin' was beneath them, so even though WCW was bleeding money, they threw out all their prime ad hours when they got rid of Nitro's timeslot. Business wise, they should have just sold WCW to Bischoff or WWE but kept the timeslot and cashed the checks.
 

Toki767

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It's not that AOL thought wrestling was beneath them, it was more that WCW was losing something like $65 million a year.

If it was making a ton of money, they would have kept it around easily.
 
It's not that AOL thought wrestling was beneath them, it was more that WCW was losing something like $65 million a year.

If it was making a ton of money, they would have kept it around easily.

That's why they could have sold it off but gave it it's time slot and make money off ads without running the company itself
 

Barrage

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Mighty Meltzer analysis once again, wondering how WWE is going to live off RAW and Youtube while the Network made almost as much money this year as they did off their TV deal in 2013.

The end goal is for the Network to be the primary money earner year-round.
 
Mighty Meltzer analysis once again, wondering how WWE is going to live off RAW and Youtube while the Network made almost as much money this year as they did off their TV deal in 2013.

The end goal is for the Network to be the primary money earner year-round.

I'm still baffled how the WWE releases DVD documentaries and don't put that shit immediately on their own damn service. The network is starving for original new content, and the horrible originals like Ride Along and Swerved shows don't help things

Big Show vs. Braun Strowman in the main event of Raw tonight........

2016, Big Show still headlining, got to hand to it to the big guy for lasting this long
 
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thepotatoman

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What's the context of this "conference call"? If it's a call to investors and/or press what's he supposed to say? That the show currently sucks and the entire business is in jeopardy if things continue down this path?

Sometimes it's even a good idea to put on a positive spin to the employees that aren't part of the problem, to keep them feeling confident about the business and the work they're doing.

It is a problem if this is what he really thinks, and he's doing nothing to fix it, but we can't really know these things as outsiders just from rumors like this.
 
I'd pay extra for a Live RAW on the Network. My Hulu Plus sub is mostly for RAW/SD and the occasional anime that doesn't make it to Crunchy/Funi.9
 

Mahonay

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Grabs RBH's lighter.


Also Charlotte on the mic no bueno. Worse than Rome status.

Nah. Charlotte's delivery was fine. She was trying to sound like a demeaning asshole and succeeded. It's the script and dialogue that's garbage. Hurts everyone.
Charlotte is definitely solid on the mic. But yeah, probably just doesn't have the tools yet to make some those garbage ass scripts sound good.
 
I'd pay extra for a Live RAW on the Network. My Hulu Plus sub is mostly for RAW/SD and the occasional anime that doesn't make it to Crunchy/Funi.9
Me too. I would drop cable completely if they did something like that. There isn't anything else I really bother to watch 'live'. When Evil Dead and Twin Peaks come back I will pick them up on other over the top services.
 
Charlotte is definitely solid on the mic. But yeah, probably just doesn't have the tools yet to make some those garbage ass scripts sound good.
IMO she ain't heel material. Probably why I couldn't feel her promos lately. I honestly think Flair wasn't that good at heel also.
 

Toki767

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IMO she ain't heel material. Probably why I couldn't feel her promos lately. I honestly think Flair wasn't that good at heel also.

Honestly, in the entire WWE roster, I can probably count on 1 hand the amount of guys who would be better as a face than a heel.
 
Mighty Meltzer analysis once again, wondering how WWE is going to live off RAW and Youtube while the Network made almost as much money this year as they did off their TV deal in 2013.

The end goal is for the Network to be the primary money earner year-round.

That would be great if they also didn't completely cannibalize their PPV business by creating the network, but they did. So their TV deal is more important than ever.
 

Kimawolf

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Y'all hatin. I love when Kane comes up through the ring! Reminds me of when I watched Raw in the late 90s.

I also wanna see them do stuff like kidnap spouses and show up at their house like Stone Cold used to.

And bring back Gangrel!!
 

Mahonay

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Y'all hatin. I love when Kane comes up through the ring! Reminds me of when I watched Raw in the late 90s.

I also wanna see them do stuff like kidnap spouses and show up at their house like Stone Cold used to.

And bring back Gangrel!!
Bring back The Oddities.
 
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