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Crazy Train. I think hearing that guitar riff as soon as time slowed down to introduce the scene would have been epic. Sweet Dreams really worked though
I saw this today ... it was... alright.
The bad reviews (well, mediocre anyway) are largely due to this being , essentially X-men 6 and well, it's not all that different from Xmen 3 except it uses the first class cast. It also follows days of future past which was pretty much the best entry in the series. So you've got some brand fatigue combined with being a sequel that does worse than it's predecessor. It's also bloated at 2.5 hours , the villain is one character too many, this is bombast brought to it's biggest and shlockiest conclusion.
BUT , in spite of it's many MANY issues. I didn't think it was a waste of time to watch it , pretty much exactly what I expected in every way. There's gotta be a point in the near term where this whole franchise runs out of gas though - this might be the movie that does it honestly , it's not doing super great in this bloated sequel filled summer of blockbusters , and it's the 4th superhero film out in 2016 already.
I don't know , I'm rambling a bit but basically , I'd put this on par with Xmen 3 , possibly even just a hair lower than it overall. People love to hate last stand but it had a much more logical story progression than this does. Still wasn't great by any means but it worked right ? It doesn't matter too much I guess because DOFP and now APOCALYPSE have kind of erased origins and Xmen 3 from continuity and ... I'm not clear on this but I think even the events of xmen 1 and 2 are kind of up in the air now ?
This is why I enjoyed Deadpool so much, it pretty much goes out of it's way to say none of this shit matters and just tells a small story about a boy and a girl , there's no world ending catastrophe , billions of lives aren't at stake. It's just a simple guy getting revenge tale. I wouldn't call the previous xmen films small scale by any means but even Xmen 3 was mostly a local destruction sort of deal. First class I suppose could have escalated quickly , days of future past held the future hostage but this ? This film is just about too much. It's Roland Emmerich's 2012 level disaster porn at some points and it pulled me straight out of the realm of plausibility even with the dubious nature of these fictional mutant characters.
You could do worse than this new xmen film just this year by watching Batman V Superman but honestly , it's kind of unfortunate that this was the best they could manage. Between the dozens of characters and timelines now present in this franchise it's getting more difficult to tell a story without being weighed down by the bombast and plot anchors of the previous films. Any future Xmen film will feel too small now by comparison - for an example of this compare Pirates 4 : on stranger tides to Pirates 3 : worlds end.
In some ways I kind of wish I'd seen Ninja Turtles out of the shadows instead... and I still might go watch that this week. I've got a sneaking suspicion I'll have more fun with it.
The bad reviews (well, mediocre anyway) are largely due to this being , essentially X-men 6 and well, it's not all that different from Xmen 3 except it uses the first class cast. It also follows days of future past which was pretty much the best entry in the series. So you've got some brand fatigue combined with being a sequel that does worse than it's predecessor. It's also bloated at 2.5 hours , the villain is one character too many, this is bombast brought to it's biggest and shlockiest conclusion.
BUT , in spite of it's many MANY issues. I didn't think it was a waste of time to watch it , pretty much exactly what I expected in every way. There's gotta be a point in the near term where this whole franchise runs out of gas though - this might be the movie that does it honestly , it's not doing super great in this bloated sequel filled summer of blockbusters , and it's the 4th superhero film out in 2016 already.
I don't know , I'm rambling a bit but basically , I'd put this on par with Xmen 3 , possibly even just a hair lower than it overall. People love to hate last stand but it had a much more logical story progression than this does. Still wasn't great by any means but it worked right ? It doesn't matter too much I guess because DOFP and now APOCALYPSE have kind of erased origins and Xmen 3 from continuity and ... I'm not clear on this but I think even the events of xmen 1 and 2 are kind of up in the air now ?
This is why I enjoyed Deadpool so much, it pretty much goes out of it's way to say none of this shit matters and just tells a small story about a boy and a girl , there's no world ending catastrophe , billions of lives aren't at stake. It's just a simple guy getting revenge tale. I wouldn't call the previous xmen films small scale by any means but even Xmen 3 was mostly a local destruction sort of deal. First class I suppose could have escalated quickly , days of future past held the future hostage but this ? This film is just about too much. It's Roland Emmerich's 2012 level disaster porn at some points and it pulled me straight out of the realm of plausibility even with the dubious nature of these fictional mutant characters.
You could do worse than this new xmen film just this year by watching Batman V Superman but honestly , it's kind of unfortunate that this was the best they could manage. Between the dozens of characters and timelines now present in this franchise it's getting more difficult to tell a story without being weighed down by the bombast and plot anchors of the previous films. Any future Xmen film will feel too small now by comparison - for an example of this compare Pirates 4 : on stranger tides to Pirates 3 : worlds end.
In some ways I kind of wish I'd seen Ninja Turtles out of the shadows instead... and I still might go watch that this week. I've got a sneaking suspicion I'll have more fun with it.
Effigenius
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Saw it this weekend.mthought it was pretty good. Not as good as first class but miles better than that turd days of future past.
giancarlo123x
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This idea is the worst and can't stand when it's said, I didn't like it as much a dofp which is probably my favorite super hero movie but due to going in with low expectations I came out pleasantly surprised and enjoyed it a lot. Fassbender is so damn good as magneto.
CBC did a story on the Canadian kid who played Magneto's daughter.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...as-amazing-role-in-x-men-apocalypse-1.3603186
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...as-amazing-role-in-x-men-apocalypse-1.3603186
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catashtrophe
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This needs to be bannable now
RoninChaos
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giancarlo123x
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It's the gaming side equivalent to port begging, get that shit out of here. It adds nothing at all to the discussion.
Dusk Soldier
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Doesn't it ever wake you in the middle of the night?
The feeling that FOX will come for your favourite X-man, and defile their backstory, their costume, their powers, their personality, and anything else that makes them recognizable?
Sunset Samurai
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So there can be unneeded jokes & puns? No thanks
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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The movie was alright.
Few things:
1. tried to do too much.
2. brings me to second item: too long.
3. Apocalypse could have been scarier.
Action scenes were awesome, specially the end.
I hope they do a Cable movie now with less mutants but with more screen time per mutant.
Few things:
1. tried to do too much.
2. brings me to second item: too long.
3. Apocalypse could have been scarier.
Action scenes were awesome, specially the end.
I hope they do a Cable movie now with less mutants but with more screen time per mutant.
Pagusas
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Unspeakable Evil
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I'm a crazy or the X-men movies not particularly more serious than the average MCU movie?
George Oscar Bluth II
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IMO X-Men would do better as a big budget TV show. Deadpool, X-Force and the like can be the movies. Would need a really big budget, though.
GavinUK86
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Huh.
I totally forgot about that.
So Stryker (Mystique) rescued Wolverine. Stryker (OG) then has Wolverine in the Weapon X program. I want to know what happened between these events.
I'm guessing she just let him go after pulling him out of the water? *shrugs*
That's the most logical conclusion based on what we know, she used Stryker's likeness and resources to get him out of the water and that's that. There's a scene early on in Apocalypse where Mystique states (something along the lines of) that she helps mutants but what they do afterwards is up to them.
10 years is a long time, Stryker noticed him in DOFP and just caught up with him eventually. For the people that didn't notice it was Mystique at the end of DOFP, they think Stryker's had him the whole time. It's kind of a smart play with such a big time difference.
Code_Link
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Which scene is this?
Alcibiades
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I don't think Singer had thought things through at that point. More than anything, it served to illustrate that this was a new timeline with a different outcome. Neat idea but yeah they didn't do anything with it.
SenseOffender
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I've seen this twice now, plan on seeing it a few more times in theaters, I really loved it. I really hope the box office doesn't affect the franchise too much, I hope they're able to continue with the characters they've built, I really enjoy this franchise, much more than the Marvel movies right now.
Future Xavier doesn't give him any Jean warnings, but just before while young Xavier is making the connection to Logan's mind he gets a glimpse of Phoenix in X3.
Yeah, I'm not sure which Bryan Singer X-Men movies everyone else is watching, but there are plenty of the dreaded quips in the ones I've seen.
Like, the great standoff plane scene between Xavier and Magneto in DOFP ends with Logan going, "So...are you going to pick all that shit up?" And I laughed! How horrible!
FunnyBunny
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I think X-MEN Apocalypse is neither bad nor good. It just sits in the middle.
The movie has some great set pieces, but it also has a lot of issues. Apocalypse as a villain has shaky motives, looks a little goofy, and delivers a lot of cliche lines. I think the bulk of the new cast (Cyclops, Jean, Storm) are cast wellbut they're also underdeveloped.
Herein lies my problem with too many of FOX's X-MEN movies; they are full of characters from the comics who are present in name and power only. Angel in the comics has a tragic archis transformation into Archangel means somethingbut here he is wasted as a fringe character with no underlying motives at all. He just exists.
FOX rebooted the franchise with First Class but has kept too much of the same creative team in place. Not only have they spent too much time with these charactersand it showsbut I don't think they respect the source material all that much.
They've also painted themselves into a corner doing another period piece. In the Deadpool (current day) timeline, Cyclops would be about 50 years old. Ugh.
I don't want the same storylines as the comics, but I do want the characterization of the X-MEN (and their villains) to match.
The movie has some great set pieces, but it also has a lot of issues. Apocalypse as a villain has shaky motives, looks a little goofy, and delivers a lot of cliche lines. I think the bulk of the new cast (Cyclops, Jean, Storm) are cast wellbut they're also underdeveloped.
Herein lies my problem with too many of FOX's X-MEN movies; they are full of characters from the comics who are present in name and power only. Angel in the comics has a tragic archis transformation into Archangel means somethingbut here he is wasted as a fringe character with no underlying motives at all. He just exists.
FOX rebooted the franchise with First Class but has kept too much of the same creative team in place. Not only have they spent too much time with these charactersand it showsbut I don't think they respect the source material all that much.
They've also painted themselves into a corner doing another period piece. In the Deadpool (current day) timeline, Cyclops would be about 50 years old. Ugh.
I don't want the same storylines as the comics, but I do want the characterization of the X-MEN (and their villains) to match.
Sub_Level
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When young Xavier reads Wolverine's mind. He learns about what happened in X3.
Yeah. I'm guessing it was meant to be Stryker but then someone got drunk and said, "No make it Mystique, we'll explain it in the next film" and then never did.
They're just really bad at maintaining continuity over at Fox. Not much more to it than that.
roflwaffles
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The thing is, they really couldn't have a mediocre movie after the DOFP reboot.
The narrative of the story will be that Bryan Singer rebooted the universe with a promise of a bright future, but Bryan's future's vision of the X-Men isn't really much better than Last Stand is now that we're in a superhero climate where Marvel is pumping out winners like Civil War.
X-3 was released in a climate where there was no MCU and no Dark Knight trilogy to compare it to. Now that we know superhero movies can be legitimately great, there's no excuse for this movie to be as bad as it is, especially with what a stellar cast they have.
The narrative of the story will be that Bryan Singer rebooted the universe with a promise of a bright future, but Bryan's future's vision of the X-Men isn't really much better than Last Stand is now that we're in a superhero climate where Marvel is pumping out winners like Civil War.
X-3 was released in a climate where there was no MCU and no Dark Knight trilogy to compare it to. Now that we know superhero movies can be legitimately great, there's no excuse for this movie to be as bad as it is, especially with what a stellar cast they have.
X3 came out after Batman Begins, Spider-Man 2, and X2. It's not like there weren't great comic book films already at that time
It was an ok movie...
The one point of the few points that the movie make me cringe
They did not build the
I would say its better than BvsS but just a bit worse than Captain America this summer.
I just wish they went with
for their next movies.
The one point of the few points that the movie make me cringe
with psylockes. :\
4 horsemen at all aside from maybe storm and Magneto...
I just wish they went with
the dark pheonix saga instead of where they are not heading with wolverine
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Forreal. And tbh the genre had peaked before mcu even properly started. Spiderman 2, X2 and TDK aren't really being touched by anybody imo.
privitsan02
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Crossed 400M. Not bad considering it coming out after Deadpool, Batman v Superman and Civil War along with very poor reviews.
Doubt it'll reach 500M at this rate. X-Men forever stuck being lukewarm commercially.
Best wishes.
Doubt it'll reach 500M at this rate. X-Men forever stuck being lukewarm commercially.
Best wishes.
Well you can't really introduce the
Dark Phoenix
Mr Sinister
Sinister
Mr Sinister
Phoenix
Dark Phoenix
dark powers
4 Horsemen Arc - Takes place in 2000, Scott and Jean gets married. Finds out Jean is actually a clone (Madeline Pryor) made by
Mr Sinister
Apocalypse - Cable appears which also ties in line with Deadpool present time.
Brian_FETO
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I wish they would've given the new cast time to even get to the standard X-Men vs. Brotherhood. First Class ends with the split, then DOFP jumps straight to COME ON GUYS LETS TEAM UP
Apocalypse should be a crazy universe destroying event, not a lame villain of the week. Bummer.
Still haven't seen it
roflwaffles
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Not saying they aren't great movies, but there were a ton of misses back then compared to now. Ghost Rider, Catwoman, Blade Trinity, Fantastic Four, Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, etc.
Batman Begins is one of my top 3 comic book movies, but the genre itself didn't become publicly legitimized until TDK IMO. Nowadays, the ratio of good movies to trash movies has definitely shifted as Marvel is popping out movies that are generally enjoyed by the audience aside from a few missteps (IM2, Thor 2) and Fox was looking like their game was on point with FC and DOFP which have been stellar and The Wolverine which everyone agrees is good until the final act. In 2014, 3 out of 4 comic book movies released were contenders for top 5 comic book movies (GOTG, WS, DOFP), that's insane when you look back 10 years ago.
If anything, DOFP set up Magneto to build a new Brotherhood after he made that speech to the public. This movie kind of just ignored it and made him a factory worker because reasons.
Now that would have been awesome! :\ First Class gave so much potential to the series...
But Civil War is a psychological thriller......
Yeah that's a good point. There certainly was a lot more trash back then
Conrad Link
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Saw it today, it was just ok. Apocalypse is my fav bad guy in X-Men so I had a lot of expectations, I guess they just didn't live up to them. He was pretty gimped.
I do agree one of the problems these movies have always had is that the characters feel so 'throw-away', like there is a guy on the screen with angel wings, they said his name is Angel but we know nothing about him,
Oh ok.
As a fan of X-Men I just hate seeing characters thrown on screen and wasted just for the sake of it I suppose. Especially when they have pretty cool stories. Obviously I know it is a movie they can't give everyone 10hrs development time, but yea it is just sad. I love Psylocke and the movie one looks cool as, but again, so hard to connect with any of them.
I really like Fassbender, I hope him and Professor X continue on. So tired of Mystique though, she isn't worth any where near the amount of importance they give her in this run of movies. *yawn* move on please.
Finally
I do agree one of the problems these movies have always had is that the characters feel so 'throw-away', like there is a guy on the screen with angel wings, they said his name is Angel but we know nothing about him,
we learn nothing about him, he does basically nothing and now he's dead?
Oh ok.
As a fan of X-Men I just hate seeing characters thrown on screen and wasted just for the sake of it I suppose. Especially when they have pretty cool stories. Obviously I know it is a movie they can't give everyone 10hrs development time, but yea it is just sad. I love Psylocke and the movie one looks cool as, but again, so hard to connect with any of them.
I really like Fassbender, I hope him and Professor X continue on. So tired of Mystique though, she isn't worth any where near the amount of importance they give her in this run of movies. *yawn* move on please.
Finally
so lame, you gonna kill off Apocalypse? :\ He really should have escaped in a time bubble or something. Yea its a comic movie he could come back easy but just seems like they treated him as a 'speedbump' for the baby X-Men to learn from, wtf? You don't do that with Apocalypse. >_> "Hey Jean remember back when we were 15 and we defeated Apocalypse? That was cool, oh well off to fight Toad and Sabertooth now." >_>
Think of Apocalypse as a crazy catalyst to push Prof X to make the X-Men get combat ready for other threats.
catashtrophe
Member
I'm so angry about this, this should
never have happened to Apocalypse, he's the best damn X-men Villain and one of my fav villains of all time and they kill him off. What a load of shit
I liked it. When compared to this year's superhero flicks, I think it is leagues better than BvS, not quite Deadpool tier and nowhere close to Civil War in terms of quality. So it is a solid flick, but one of the lesser main X-men films in my opinion (2, FC, and DotFP are much better).
Sub_Level
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People were saying this about Venom in Spiderman 3. It's a comic book movie, they can just bring him back
Sectorseven
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What's the age gap between Havok and Cyclops?
lol Alex is damn near 40. Wanna say Scott is between 15-17.
GavinUK86
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That would definitely be something. He does say "all is revealed". Probably setting up the Dark Phoenix.
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