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Heroes never die
X-Men Apocalypse |OT| Days of Past Future
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Saw it over the weekend, was disappointed. Hope they don't focus too much on Mystique going forward like the original movies focused too much on Wolverine. Even if you consider Jennifer Lawrence the greatest actress in the world, Mystique just isn't that interesting of a mutant.
Hoping the focus is more on Jean Grey moving forward, guess she'll be featured in the next movie and possibly be the main villain in the following movie.
exmachina64
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What?
How on Earth could you think that DoFP's changed future is in a separate timeline from Apocalypse?
FC -> DoFP (70s) -> Apocalypse -> more movies -> Deadpool/DoFP changed future -> Deadpool 2 -> Wolverine 3
I thought it was pretty good. The Apocalypse villain was really good IMO. Jean Grey was good too.
Some of the acting was iffy. Is Jennifer Lawrence really considered a good actress? Really? I don't know about that Nightcrawler guy. Perhaps I just can't get past the old Nightcrawler. And Olivia Munn. Even when she's just standing around it's painful to watch her try to act.
But I liked the movie. It reminded me of the classic times when X-Men were the best thing in comics. The less than perfect team taking on an ridiculously powered villain. It's not the greatest superhero movie ever but it's some classic X-Men goodness.
Some of the acting was iffy. Is Jennifer Lawrence really considered a good actress? Really? I don't know about that Nightcrawler guy. Perhaps I just can't get past the old Nightcrawler. And Olivia Munn. Even when she's just standing around it's painful to watch her try to act.
But I liked the movie. It reminded me of the classic times when X-Men were the best thing in comics. The less than perfect team taking on an ridiculously powered villain. It's not the greatest superhero movie ever but it's some classic X-Men goodness.
X-Men: Apocalypse's title is rather fitting, as this is two movies in one. One film is the third X-Men film featuring a cast in the past, a series that has so far been strong thanks to great characters and intriguing stories. The other film is Apocalypse, a lumbering villain that reeks of generic destruction and overwrought monologues. Apocalypse threatens to overtake the heroes of our story, the X-Men. We may think of the X-Men as Xavier's students, but really, they're whoever Xavier's lives has touched. From Quicksilver, to Moira, to Magneto... to Scott, Jean, and Kurt. These are all X-Men and all feature strongly in this feature, although not nearly as much as they should.
Instead, it is Apocalypse who dominates the screentime and consumes everything in his path. Thematic relevance, ruined. Satisfying character arcs, gone. The only thing he leaves in his wake is skeletons of these ideas, but that's not enough. Fassbender comes out of it the strongest, but the entire ensemble is trying their hardest and it simply isn't enough. The worst thing to happen to X-Men: Apocalypse is Apocalypse himself, and the only way this film could've worked is without him in it .A disappointing conclusion that sadly holds so much unfulfilled potential.
Instead, it is Apocalypse who dominates the screentime and consumes everything in his path. Thematic relevance, ruined. Satisfying character arcs, gone. The only thing he leaves in his wake is skeletons of these ideas, but that's not enough. Fassbender comes out of it the strongest, but the entire ensemble is trying their hardest and it simply isn't enough. The worst thing to happen to X-Men: Apocalypse is Apocalypse himself, and the only way this film could've worked is without him in it .A disappointing conclusion that sadly holds so much unfulfilled potential.
roflwaffles
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It didn't make sense at all for them to have Apocalypse as the main villain. He adds nothing to the film and doesn't fit thematically on any level.
There is nothing below the surface level of this movie. Other X-Men movies have subtext on race relations, being a minority figure in society, and if they didn't (DOFP) at least they did something really daring and interesting in it. Apocalypse goes about it's plot in the most boring, safe way without bringing anything of substance.
As a MASSIVE fan of FC and DOFP, I've grown to dislike this movie more and more as I think about it. Even Fassbender and McAvoy, some of the greatest actors in comic book movies who are perfectly casted in their roles, were not able to save this from mediocrity.
The entire point of DOFP was to retcon the poor movies in the franchise and give the audience hope for a bright future for this series. With Apocalypse, that hope is squandered and we're back to the same old shit. They need to boot Singer and Kinberg ASAP.
There is nothing below the surface level of this movie. Other X-Men movies have subtext on race relations, being a minority figure in society, and if they didn't (DOFP) at least they did something really daring and interesting in it. Apocalypse goes about it's plot in the most boring, safe way without bringing anything of substance.
As a MASSIVE fan of FC and DOFP, I've grown to dislike this movie more and more as I think about it. Even Fassbender and McAvoy, some of the greatest actors in comic book movies who are perfectly casted in their roles, were not able to save this from mediocrity.
The entire point of DOFP was to retcon the poor movies in the franchise and give the audience hope for a bright future for this series. With Apocalypse, that hope is squandered and we're back to the same old shit. They need to boot Singer and Kinberg ASAP.
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I can't believe MTV just gave more screentime to Jubilee than Singer did.
Spectral Glider
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Saw it last night and enjoyed it for the most part. It has some issues, but it's nowhere near as bad as some people make it seem.
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bulletbill10
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I just got back from it. I really enjoyed it! I'm actually kind of glad that Disney doesn't have x-men rights, as I like how the two lines of movies have very different tones. It adds some nice variety to the comic book movie scene.
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I knew this post would exist here.
EatinOlives
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Am I crazy or did they screw up
Phoenix? Isn't Jean not supposed to be able to control it, and doesn't she have to die or suffer some other immense trauma for her to be "reborn" into Phoenix (aka rising from the ashes)? In this movie she unleashed briefly just because Xavier told her to, and then she promptly stopped.
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Brian_FETO
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I'll probably see it regardless but out of curiosity....
As someone who likes X1, loves X2/First Class, doesn't hate X3, and thought Days Of Future Past was boring.....where does Apocalypse fall with the rest of the series?
I've figured it's just more DOFP but idk. I was certain that First Class would be a trash heap after Origins and I ended up loving it
As someone who likes X1, loves X2/First Class, doesn't hate X3, and thought Days Of Future Past was boring.....where does Apocalypse fall with the rest of the series?
I've figured it's just more DOFP but idk. I was certain that First Class would be a trash heap after Origins and I ended up loving it
Strangelove77
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What a badly written movie. Characters and plot are just absolutely dog poop.
I disliked Apocalypse more than Jennifer Lawrence. He made Lawrence's Mystique more tolerable for me. That's the most positive thing I can say about him.
That being said - it's a fun movie whenever it's not focusing on Apocalypse. I like all the new cast and most of the special effects. Fassbender still kills it despite the terrible material he's given here. It's not without its charm. It's ok. Could have been something else entirely though.
I disliked Apocalypse more than Jennifer Lawrence. He made Lawrence's Mystique more tolerable for me. That's the most positive thing I can say about him.
That being said - it's a fun movie whenever it's not focusing on Apocalypse. I like all the new cast and most of the special effects. Fassbender still kills it despite the terrible material he's given here. It's not without its charm. It's ok. Could have been something else entirely though.
I actually quite liked it. I expected a dumb X-Men movie and I got one. Yeah, the writing isn't that great. Yeah, the villain is flat. Yeah, they spend way too much time on subplots and random characters and the middle of the film is well, middling. But it was a fun ride. Disclosure: I like the previous movies a lot, so this film seems like it was made for fans. Which is fine, but I get why some people might not like it.
It's not amazing or anything, but it's far from terrible.
I thought it was better than Civil War
It's not amazing or anything, but it's far from terrible.
Cross-post from the spoiler thread
3 established that Jean was Class 5 mutant(basically movie-verse version of an Omega level mutant), even as a child. There is no separate entity(so far). It's her innate potential. In the original timeline, Jean developed a split personality to deal with her immense powers, and Xavier placed mental blocks to keep her Phoenix persona repressed. This all turns to shit when her "death" in X2 releases that side of her and Magneto stirs the pot even more. Queue DOFP and the two Xavier's mind-melding, thus learning how this goes down. Keeping Jean "caged", as Wolverine said, was not the way to go.
In this timeline, so far Xavier seems to be encouraging Jean to develop as intended, and so her full potential is coming forth much sooner. No mental blocks, no split personality.
The movies are a lot of things, but so far in regards to Jean it's much closer to the original version than the retcon, and i'm glad of that.
In this timeline, so far Xavier seems to be encouraging Jean to develop as intended, and so her full potential is coming forth much sooner. No mental blocks, no split personality.
The movies are a lot of things, but so far in regards to Jean it's much closer to the original version than the retcon, and i'm glad of that.
Discotheque
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The Egyptian era horseman who contorted that dude with telekinesis and also apocalypse transforming angel was really gruesome lol
Man I love the opening of this movie (and the credits) so much. It was singer at top form. Was like the 99 mummy movie with mutants haha.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Quiksilver was easily my favorite part of this movie, just saw it today. Some good parts, but I think it was a step down from DoFP and the movies before it, aside from X3 and The Wolverine.
Not as bad as people were making it out to be, but not as good as I was hoping. Again though, Quiksilver is so damn gooooood lol.
Not as bad as people were making it out to be, but not as good as I was hoping. Again though, Quiksilver is so damn gooooood lol.
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Naw that's one of the things they got right. There's a small scene in Days of Future Past where Xavier learns how to deal with her differently from Patrick Stewart Xavier. In this timeline he was prepared for that whole thing.
QuantumZebra
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That is all correct except I'm pretty sure Deadpool is based in the Apocalypse timeline (the correct/real timeline). In the alternate/old timeline Deadpool got all fucked up by Striker in Origins.
New/main: FC -> DOFP -> Apocalypse > Deadpool
Alternate/old: X1 -> X2 -> X3 -> XM Origins
I don't know which one "The Wolverine" and the 3rd Wolve film will be
The Wolverine was set in the old timeline, since Logan's journey is directly set in motion by Jean's death in X3.
The next Wolverine film will almost definitely be in the new timeline... I imagine everything will be set in the new timeline going forward, jumping back and forth between the two every other movie would be crazy confusing.
Discotheque
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I'm excited to see old xavier again in the new wolverine. Stewart was always great in the role.
Saw this again tonight. As someone who really wasn't a big X-Men fan prior to First Class, and didn't know much about the individual characters, I have to say I really like Jean Grey as a character - and I think Sophie Turner did a great job.
Not sure why she is being subjected to "training" at the end of the film considering that she just single-handedly decimated Apocalypse within seconds.
I wish we could get an Jean Grey origin story or something, especially in place of yet another standalone Wolverine movie. I think she's a much more interesting character, especially given the immensity of her abilities.
Not sure why she is being subjected to "training" at the end of the film considering that she just single-handedly decimated Apocalypse within seconds.
I wish we could get an Jean Grey origin story or something, especially in place of yet another standalone Wolverine movie. I think she's a much more interesting character, especially given the immensity of her abilities.
I agree with you, though I know we'd never get a solo Jean Grey movie. Generic "mysterious past", snarling rage, and the blue flip-floping kung-fu chameleon are more mass-marketable unfortunately.
johnnydrama
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For over a year, I had totally expected this film to be a steaming turd, but I ended up watching it anyway. I'm glad I did because despite all its issues, I enjoyed it a lot. I like that Fox own the rights to this franchise, because I think these X-Men film strike the right balance between fun and seriousness. Between Civil War's airport quip central and Batman v Superman's depressed Superman, I'm happy to have a superhero film that knows when to have fun and when to get dark.
While I felt that subplots were a bit messy, Apocalypse was a very one-dimensional villain, and Magneto was severely underused, I had a great time. Easily a 7/10.
While I felt that subplots were a bit messy, Apocalypse was a very one-dimensional villain, and Magneto was severely underused, I had a great time. Easily a 7/10.
Nemesis121
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Give it back to Marvel, Fox, Apoc is so fucking awful...give it back..
GavinUK86
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No. I don't want a Marvel made X-Men movie.
cursedDice
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I have to join others in saying that I enjoyed this quite a bit! It was no where near as bad as some are making it out to be.
I will have to watch both movies again, but I might like this more than Civil War.
It's certainly way better than BvS.
I will have to watch both movies again, but I might like this more than Civil War.
It's certainly way better than BvS.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Why's that?
SolidChamp
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Because Marvel makes films that are formulaic and boring.
Brian_FETO
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I haven't seen the movie but I assume , bad guy appears , good guys get together, train, fight, kill bad guy , end movie.
If im wrong correct me but that's as formulaic as it gets.
Escape Goat
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What was the point of Mystique capturing Wolverine (in the guise of Striker) at the end of DOFP? That tease went absolutely nowhere.
roflwaffles
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Never happening.
Pretty much.
Strangelove77
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You mean like X-Men: Apocalypse?
Discotheque
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Eh all superhero movies aside from perhaps tdk and tdkr are formulaic in their plot structure. Actually even those follow the usual hero saves the day arc.
It's just singer xmens (and his superman) prioritize melodrama and a bunch of dialogue exchanges between characters while marvel movies are all set out to keep a consistent family movie blockbuster formula and have a good amount of action in them (this was Superman Returns biggest failing. I love superman and metropolis and lex, and the music was so good. But man it plods along because it's a summer blockbuster with minimal action scenes. Should have thrown in another threat in this)
Nothing wrong with preferring one over the other but it's getting really tiring hearing all these mcu dorks acting like their way is the only way. Lol...never.
Here's to more years of xmen being out of disney's hands.
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