Meant to imply something more like "if they did anything in the future," but even then it's besides the point in the first place. The topic is about MS' fuck-up; the only reason Sony gets brought up in the first place is as a knee-jerk defensive reaction to criticism of fanboys' favored corporation.
Xbox One and Machinima: Be nice or neutral, and don't tell anyone we're paying you
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Meant to imply something more like "if they did anything in the future," but even then it's besides the point in the first place. The topic is about MS' fuck-up; the only reason Sony gets brought up in the first place is as a knee-jerk defensive reaction to criticism of fanboys' favored corporation.
Time to rip this apart.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Huevos de Oro
Member
Gat damn I said.
Mr.Monitor
Member
Microsoft should know they're doing something horribly wrong when they're marketing the Xbox One as much as they are, yet they still feel the need to do this. Anyways, this is just one more reason for me to avoid the garbage Machinima puts out, not that I really needed it in the first place.
dragonbane
Member
Jason writes like a robot. Seriously I think he took exactly 15 minutes as promised lol
Wow. This isn't legal without disclosing though right? I thought there were laws about promotion and disclosing.
Marauder Shields
Member
That views cap seems quite low. Is that for the whole campaign?
Crash Station
Member
Here we go again folks!
Would be underwhelming if this was the shitstorm cboat was talking about, but based on bishop's reaction, I'm guessing it isn't.
that's what I thought too, they get hit in the cross fire of all of this
The campaign yet lives. All those videos would still be online. Good way for MS to get bang for their marketing buck.
oconnomiyaki
Member
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Technically, the agreement doesn't require you to be nice. It just means that, obviously, Microsoft aren't going to pay you $3 CPM if you make a video that starts going "LOL 720p, beta tested in the future, PS4 for the wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!" So it really needs to be tested to see if this violates any FTC rules. In theory, you should just be able to get your payout by playing an Xbox One game, mentioning that it's on Xbox One, and then basically talking about any old subject over the top. I've seen a lot of people do it. One guy basically played Super Mario 3D World while talking about why he took his Xbox One back.
emiranda061288
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yes I agree with you.
Beelzebubs
Member
You ever get the feeling that this will backfire horribly for them and most Youtubers will just avoid saying positive things to keep their credibility?
Rebel Leader
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How can I not resist your profile pic as a response?
It was 1.25M views, not dollars, they screwed the pooch but it only cost $3750
Even worse
Can't say I'm really surprised at this revelation, but yeah. Stuff like this is really unethical, and should be called out on.
Hopefully MS answers soon enough on peoples questions about this practice, and does it clearly, instead of trying to crawl their way out of this mess (after the disaster known as X1 reveal, I'm starting to think they won't answer
).
Hopefully MS answers soon enough on peoples questions about this practice, and does it clearly, instead of trying to crawl their way out of this mess (after the disaster known as X1 reveal, I'm starting to think they won't answer
).Junior Mint
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Microsoft's already well-known for investing heavily in astroturfing so we shouldn't be surprised anyways.
Hitokiri03
Member
I'm curious to see the Microsoft response to this.
I bet they will throw all the blame on Machinima.
I bet they will throw all the blame on Machinima.
SolidSnakex
Member
It's low, but consider how many videos will likely be created in an attempt to get in on this. That's where the success for them is at. Most of those will be done without them having to pay out a dime for it.
Not particularly seeing as you were trying to justfity it with "but, again, I have faith in MS legal".
"it's cool, it's legal guys. MS attempts to weasel into a favourable position are totally legal. Just give them your money already, it's all legal. Look at the effort they've gone to undermine you! They care!"
SlowRevolution
Member
So gaming sites (aside from ones like Kotaku who already have and are generally pretty good with this stuff) are probably going to do their jobs for once and actually report on this, right? "Don't trust people on YouTube, keep reading us instead" has to be too good to pass up.
Chobel
Member
Yeah it's illegal.
What? Nintendo does do this with youtubers, and disclose the source. They just released a skit with FreedieW, and the Whatcha' playing this week, Ash? crew.
ProJared, Jirad of the Completists, among others have gone on record that they received review and free games from Nintendo when warranted.
The fact that MS is insisting on anonymity is an intentional decision on their part.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Lol at people defending this or saying they "don't see the difference" between this and a banner ad? I can't even fathom how dense you must be to not understand why this is an extremely questionable/shady practice. They use the term "influencers" for Christ's sake!
I dont think you know what a bribe is.
well, way to totally ignore my point.
You do not understand the connotation of word "faith" in that sentence then I can't help you man.
Hey man, we're not all bad, I was calling this whole thing bullshit two days ago
I'm still waiting to see if the big dogs like Boogie or Angry Joe will comment.
I don't think they will. Unless legal charges are brought on them. But for $3,000? Who cares?
Rebel Leader
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Would you like it raw, rare, medium rare, medium, Medium well, or well done?
Give them an inch and they take a mile?
I have FAITH in their legal team to draft a legal contract.
Thats all I was saying. You're bringing other connotations to my post, and I can't help you there.
Man, my sister just got back from NY, and I was disappointed in your notes. The designs are not bad, but they feel like monopoly money, and there's barely any difference between the $100 bill and $1 bill. In the UK the £50 note is a fair degree larger than the other notes.
Our £20 vs your $20.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Chances are there's also message board and social media astroturfers around as well. It's not limited to youtube. Marketing is a heck of a thing these days; have to really try and channel it out and focus on the facts without subliminal coercion.
Felix Lighter
Member
MS just doomed every legitimately positive YouTube video for at least the near future to be viewed with suspicion and the comments will be sure to highlight this issue. Scummy, possibly illegal and executed incompetently.
FunnyBunny
Member
There's no easy fix to the gaming industry's problem.
Publishers (magazines, websites, etc.) preview and review games while producers (publishers, developers, etc.) control access to the games. Writers will lose their audience without timely coverage - something they can only get if they keep game makers happy.
Rock, meet hard place.
Publishers (magazines, websites, etc.) preview and review games while producers (publishers, developers, etc.) control access to the games. Writers will lose their audience without timely coverage - something they can only get if they keep game makers happy.
Rock, meet hard place.
The fact that this happened on such a small scale and budget is almost more troubling. It's as if the responsible parties only think in commodities and services, that speaking positively about you (or whom you represent) is quite naturally and correctly done so with financial gain in mind, which needs to be addressed contractually.
Beelzebubs
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I wonder how many "marketeers" has Microsoft hidden in Neogaf.
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