Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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People really believe that this box will manage to run today's game at 4k native...
Either Microsoft have some fancy ass renderer that works as magic or you know...nidhog at 4k.
Still cool to see that they have the balls to show it of 18 months in advance.
Off topic: They have any page where I can see their progress for w10 store? Have movies and series there and they still refuse to work for me and the local desk help is slower than a snail on sand.
Either Microsoft have some fancy ass renderer that works as magic or you know...nidhog at 4k.
Still cool to see that they have the balls to show it of 18 months in advance.
Off topic: They have any page where I can see their progress for w10 store? Have movies and series there and they still refuse to work for me and the local desk help is slower than a snail on sand.
RowdyReverb
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Yeah. We're looking at X1 < PS4 < Neo < Scorpio. It's weird
AyaisMUsikWhore
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This is a throwback. wow
I think this is where they are going to restrict player input competively, but allow players to do what they want co-operatively
They caught the clouds and they will put them in Scorpio's CPU/GPU
Hrm...couple of thoughts
1) 6 TFlops with the optimization that comes from console will be..ridiculous. Comparing PC specs to console specs 1:1 never quite works out because you can optimize so much more heavily for consoles (since you have a single unified spec) rather than PC. That said, I'm curious as to whether Xbox Anywhere will reduce the optimization done for consoles (also; will the multiple models thing also change how optimization is done). Or is there something upcoming in DX / Win 10 that will aid them?
2) I think MS as a whole company is getting out of the entire "closed ecosystem" business - I think they know Apple / Google own mobile devices, and MS's plan is to use Minecraft, Office, and their necessary software to be a company that works in all ecosystems. Zigging instead of trying to compete in a closed ecosystem market that they know they really can't get into. Instead, be the company whose software works on everyone's stuff.
3) On that note; I suspect next year's big E3 announcement will be Halo 6 being Xbox Anywhere, and on PC. I also wouldn't put it past them to talk to Valve about allowing games bought in the MS store to at least be added to a steam library (since I think Valve is going to get out of the hardware business, which should make things easier for negotiation). This ties into the "be the company whose stuff works everywhere".
4) I think we're focusing on the wrong reasons as to why MS and Sony are pushing new versions of their consoles - I think it has a lot more to do with 4K acceptance and making sure that their products are ready when 4K starts becoming a mass consumer TV option. I don't think either of them want to be behind the curve waiting for a new console if 4K takes off in the next year. Ditto for VR. I think the side benefit of massive performance increases is awesome for gaming, but I think both Sony and MS believe 4K TVs will become mainstream by 2018, and want to have consoles that are ready and capable for it.
1) 6 TFlops with the optimization that comes from console will be..ridiculous. Comparing PC specs to console specs 1:1 never quite works out because you can optimize so much more heavily for consoles (since you have a single unified spec) rather than PC. That said, I'm curious as to whether Xbox Anywhere will reduce the optimization done for consoles (also; will the multiple models thing also change how optimization is done). Or is there something upcoming in DX / Win 10 that will aid them?
2) I think MS as a whole company is getting out of the entire "closed ecosystem" business - I think they know Apple / Google own mobile devices, and MS's plan is to use Minecraft, Office, and their necessary software to be a company that works in all ecosystems. Zigging instead of trying to compete in a closed ecosystem market that they know they really can't get into. Instead, be the company whose software works on everyone's stuff.
3) On that note; I suspect next year's big E3 announcement will be Halo 6 being Xbox Anywhere, and on PC. I also wouldn't put it past them to talk to Valve about allowing games bought in the MS store to at least be added to a steam library (since I think Valve is going to get out of the hardware business, which should make things easier for negotiation). This ties into the "be the company whose stuff works everywhere".
4) I think we're focusing on the wrong reasons as to why MS and Sony are pushing new versions of their consoles - I think it has a lot more to do with 4K acceptance and making sure that their products are ready when 4K starts becoming a mass consumer TV option. I don't think either of them want to be behind the curve waiting for a new console if 4K takes off in the next year. Ditto for VR. I think the side benefit of massive performance increases is awesome for gaming, but I think both Sony and MS believe 4K TVs will become mainstream by 2018, and want to have consoles that are ready and capable for it.
astroturfing
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huh? is it going to be that, same exact visuals but in 4k..?
zero interest if true. not interested in 4k media.
Officerrob
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This is a little different...
I suspect Sony want the announcement and availability of Neo to be a short window, i.e. a few weeks to a month. You don't want to kill sales of your current, successfully console.
maybe Trinity will be 40% faster when it releases after Scorpio, who knows
For somebody who really doesn't do PC games (don't hate me), exactly how powerful will this be at launch? Is this going to be a proper "next generation" games macchine when it's out at the end of next year?
I know that it's a lot more powerful than the current consoles but it just feels a hell of a long way off to me.
I know that it's a lot more powerful than the current consoles but it just feels a hell of a long way off to me.
LightningXCE
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I don't see why it wouldn't.
HellofaMouse
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If its this much of a power leap i dont understand why they insist on having games run on xbone as well. By the end of 2017 itll be 4 years old, just 1 year shorter than a 'regular' console gen. (Regular as in xbox/ps2 and prior, ps360 was too long imo)
KinofChaos
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Neo will have cheaper hardware and be out a lot earlier....it will be cheaper. MS is not going to lose money on Scorpio your right this is new MS. Scorpio has no shot against neo WW. MS are not magicians, they will have to price it according tom the hardware it has. How have they stolen a single page out of Sony's playbook? By launching way later, panic'd and revealing a system with only paper specs 1.5 years out? Sony is literally on cruise control at this point.
Yeah it´s weird, but how come it is both times 40%? That ist really interesing if MS chose 6TF to match that number ;-)
That what I was thinking about!
That name. And no, 4k media is covered by Xbox One S already
Are you paid for this? It looks so desperate telling everyone how doomed the more powerful console is.
Delusibeta
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TBA, but I would expect that a patch would be required.
JayWood2010
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Phil Spencer already said they wont have cross-play where it doesnt work. It was very obvious with the Gears4 announcement as it was only for coop and horde cross-play.
But if they can find a way to exclude KB/M while allowing cross-play that would be great.
darkinstinct
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There is no way Neo is this year. AMD's chip that is coming out this year is the Slim, Neo is spring 2017, Scorpio is fall 2017.
Obscuritas
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Welcome to a neverending era made of cross-gen games.
Tatsumi Oga
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Just saw the video again. It's clear that they don't want to force it on people and all games will be playable on all systems. What i then wonder is...what kind of graphical and framerate improvements can we expect? Also makes me wonder if we won't get any real exclusives for it, games taking full advantage of it.
foamdino
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So this is essentially XBox Two (just a really short generation)
The whole we're doing pc style upgrades really meant "we're sticking with x86-64". The idea is of course to retain customers inside the ecosystem - regardless of Xbox One, Scorpio/XBox Two.
The games move with you as they will run on the upgraded hardware (just like PC for the most part). So depending on your investment into Microsoft's games library or Sony's games library you have to look at the sunk costs - switching from one platform to the other has significant downsides.
Sony gamers will have the same decision to make - jump ship to MS and throw away their investment in their current library, or stick with Sony regardless of if Neo is more/less powerful.
Interesting times ahead, but this is the announcement of a 'new generation' no matter how it is presented - it's just in a shorter time-frame than the market is used to with the corresponding lack of 'big generational leap'.
The whole we're doing pc style upgrades really meant "we're sticking with x86-64". The idea is of course to retain customers inside the ecosystem - regardless of Xbox One, Scorpio/XBox Two.
The games move with you as they will run on the upgraded hardware (just like PC for the most part). So depending on your investment into Microsoft's games library or Sony's games library you have to look at the sunk costs - switching from one platform to the other has significant downsides.
Sony gamers will have the same decision to make - jump ship to MS and throw away their investment in their current library, or stick with Sony regardless of if Neo is more/less powerful.
Interesting times ahead, but this is the announcement of a 'new generation' no matter how it is presented - it's just in a shorter time-frame than the market is used to with the corresponding lack of 'big generational leap'.
Maximilian E.
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I don´t get the comments about that "it does not matter" if Scorpio is released late 2017 because of the headway Neo will get if its released late this year (or whatever the projected release window is) because of all sales it will have accumulated til then..
What does "does not matter" mean in this regard? If this "does not matter" is valid, then why did 360 and PS3 need to be released? I mean, PS2 was at 150 million, it should have been console of the forever then.. but still we managed to get new generations after that.
Marketshare is very much but not quite everything. Even OG Xbox managed to get some Xclusive titles even though it was released much later because of the power angle.
Anyways..
Interesting strategy here.. Sony have the chance to up the specs on Neo but it will change their release window for sure if they do. And besides, if Neo is uppped, what stops MS from doing the same? They have a much later release window than Neo, so in the end, it is still advantage MS in regards to power.
In any case..
Next year, Scorpio will be top dog. How much, that needs to be seen.
However, I do look forward on playing Cyberpunk 2077 on Scorpio..
What does "does not matter" mean in this regard? If this "does not matter" is valid, then why did 360 and PS3 need to be released? I mean, PS2 was at 150 million, it should have been console of the forever then.. but still we managed to get new generations after that.
Marketshare is very much but not quite everything. Even OG Xbox managed to get some Xclusive titles even though it was released much later because of the power angle.
Anyways..
Interesting strategy here.. Sony have the chance to up the specs on Neo but it will change their release window for sure if they do. And besides, if Neo is uppped, what stops MS from doing the same? They have a much later release window than Neo, so in the end, it is still advantage MS in regards to power.
In any case..
Next year, Scorpio will be top dog. How much, that needs to be seen.
However, I do look forward on playing Cyberpunk 2077 on Scorpio..
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Games not coming out near Scorpio launch probably need a patch to support the better Hardware
I'm hyped for it but don't get what we're actually going to get with it aside from better graphics if all games have to work across all SKUs.
I'm down for better graphics but seems like a catch 22. Can't leave early adopters behind but damn, it sucks games will be held back. Kind of like games that currently support last gen and current gen. It's clear the current gen versions of those games suffer.
Either way I'll buy an S then trade the S in for this.
I'm down for better graphics but seems like a catch 22. Can't leave early adopters behind but damn, it sucks games will be held back. Kind of like games that currently support last gen and current gen. It's clear the current gen versions of those games suffer.
Either way I'll buy an S then trade the S in for this.
schwabdizzle
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My question is at what point do MS and Sony do a leasing plan similar to cell phones now that include XBL or PSN
Reizo Ryuu
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Because that's how pcs work, you can buy the game and play it at reduced settings if you can't afford better hardwarde (scorpio)
Indeed
crackhead_bob
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Someone clarify this for me. Will the Scorpio be Xbox One 1.5, or is it going to be a legit next gen system? Same with Neo. We're not even 3 years into the lifespan of the current systems.
qa_engineer
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if you're looking at pure computational performance the equivalent would be the 390X, which is 5.9 teraflops. I will assume the scorpio is 6 tflops total including CPU, which would lead me to believe this is the Polaris 10 GPU (RX 480) with an undisclosed 8 core AMD CPU. This will be near generational leap from OG PS4 and OG Xbox one assuming developers take advantage of it. Also we have to take into consideration all of the architectural improvements in Polaris 10 that set this apart from existing AMD products as well.
Edit: The generational leap part is just opinion though. All other details are based on available products and known specs.
Depends on the game and what that game happens to define as Ultra (there is huge variance here). It also depends on how much of a bottleneck the CPU proves to be. Basically, look at benchmarks for the 390x. That will give you a rough indication of what the GPU will be capable of.
MikeE21286
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If there isn't something the Scorpio can do that is of great value that the Neo can't (ex: 4K or VR) then Sony might be just bet setup for a big first-mover advantage with the Neo.
RichiRamjag
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Yeah, he's made it clear he knows better. Looking forward to it.
NullPointer
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Where the moment that games come out that truly take full advantage of the hardware, the focus shifts to the next console.
GamerMax73
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It's all guess work right now but I can see Sony doing a 2013-2016-2019-...
If we're following the iPhone model now and looking at 4K TV adoption, 2019 might be about right.
It's sure gonna be interesting seeing how this plays out long term and how MS capitalise on their performance position, however long it lasts.
My only question is, if Neo is now locked in, do we think Sony would allow MS a significant performance lead for that long? Especially if the ever evolving AMD tech allows for faster paced upgrades and the API allow for cross compatibilty/scalability of games.
Outrun
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Exactly, one term was nebulous, the other is more concrete...
BFIB
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"Sign up for XBox Live for 2 years at $24.99 a month, and you will receive the XBox Scorpio at no cost* to you."
*early termination fees when applicable
Slim is a die shrink, not a semicustom win. The three wins are Neo, Scorpio and NX. One of them had been hinted at for 2H16. NX is March 2017, Scorpio Fall 2017. That leaves just the Neo.
I'm not sure how to put it, maybe this example won't make sense or might even seem dumb and sorry if it doest.
40% more of $100 is $140. (difference only $40)
But 40% more of $1000 is $1400. (difference increases to $400)
What I want to say is, when you compare bigger numbers, even if the same percentage, the difference gets bigger.
Thats how I see it at least.
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