Xbox Series sales fall 30% year on year

it surprises me who the hell is buying this piece of gameless crap and not a ps5 or pc.
It's not like xbox is cheaper or have anything better to play

They are the mindless Xbox buyers who just want to play COD/Fortnite and they've always done it on that system. These are the same people Xbox is hoping buy their next console and gives them a good 20-30mill sub base which they will be happy with.
 
Absolutely, Sony seems to have shit the bed with releases so hopefully MS can get a solid title out each QTR or so to help drive engagement on PS5 outside of the core Fortnites / Roblox / COD/ Madden / MLB etc games.

MS has clearly failed as a platform owner but as a third party dev they are killing it, you just have to look at the charts.
The subtle warring undertones in this kind of posts always kill me. People acting as if it's Sony vs. Microsoft on PS5, instead of Microsoft just being another high-profile third-party publisher on PS5 like Capcom, Ubisoft and Bandai Namco.
Outise of the core COD game (as you said yourself), Microsoft doesn't have anything notable in the following months to drive sales besides Gears of War: Reloaded, which will pretty much pale in comparison to Sony's Ghost of Yotei.
 
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Yep "MS studios" pumping out that not totally bought up franchises. Lol
At some point, we are going to have to accept that they are part of MS. Would we be saying this 5 or 10 years from now?

We can't blame MS only when they fail but deflect when they succeed. Even Naughty Dog was "bought up" by Sony. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Now why the fuck are people buying a broken ass game like Oblivion Remastered? That's a whole different question!
 
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At some point, we are going to have to accept that they are part of MS. Would we be saying this 5 or 10 years from now?

We can't blame MS only when they fail but deflect when they succeed. Even Naughty Dog was "bought up" by Sony at some point. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Now why the fuck are people buying a broken ass game like Oblivion Remastered? That's a whole different question!

Because it's awesome as fuuuuuck. Foibles and all.

Be honest, how awesome was it coming out of the sewers into Cyrodill? 🙏
 
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And where does this not fall under the service's unsustainability?
Obviously, if it's easy to request a refund and people have reasons for doing so, it's the service's fault.

In Xbox communities, the biggest topic is how to scam and get GamePass for almost free.

If those who like the service are always cheating to pay almost nothing, why would those who don't like the service pay?

Stop playing the victim, the ones who discovered the Game Pass flaws were the service's fans, the service's "evangelists."
MS also purposefully put these flaws in the service to maximize its growth.
Pro consumer customer service gets spun into a negative. Welcome to Gaf where some users talk about an individuals ethics and then uswrs turn around and posts stuff like the above. Gg.
2024 Q1:
  • Xbox Game Pass Core - $5.00/month (cheapest option with annual cost of $59.99)
  • Xbox Game Pass Ultimate - $16.99/month
  • PC Game Pass - $9.99/month

2025 Q1:
  • Xbox Game Pass Core - $8.33/month (cheapest option with quarterly cost of $24.99, which comes out to $99.96/year)
  • Xbox Game Pass Standard - $14.99/month
  • Xbox Game Pass Ultimate - $19.99/month
  • PC Game Pass - $11.99/month

To break this down further:
  • Xbox Game Pass Core - 66.6% price increase, and stopped including first party titles on release date.
  • Xbox Game Pass Standard - New tier priced much higher than the base tier, and anyone who still wanted first-party titles on release date had to move up to this tier. Basically a 199.8% increase from the previous quarter if you're comparing Xbox Game Pass Core in 2024 to Xbox Game Pass Standard in 2025.
  • Xbox Game Pass Ultimate - 17.66% price increase.
  • PC Game Pass - 20.02% price increase

These price changes took effect in September of 2024. Bragging about record Q1 revenue in 2025 (up 5% from Q1 of 2024) after these price increases is a weird flex, but you do you.

Ok, now run that math for playstation where some prices went up by 35% over the last 2 years in certain regions and people are in here championing revenue growth and migrating users to higher more expensive tiers.

Its like some people want to make out that all this growth is healthy if its playstation but not if its ms.

Look, im all for shitting on MS. Firing 9000 people is some diabolical shit but all I've ever asked for on here is people to share rhe same energy across multiple platform owners.

They are all as shady as shit

You then have playstation fans talking about how gamepass is killing game titles and you have sony cancelling games left right and centre.

Naughty dog...spent years making an online last of us game to cancel it because they realised its not sustainable.

Bluepoint spending years in a gaas god of war title to only see it cancelled.....due to not it clearly not making business sense. Ie, unsustainable.

Concord....nothing to say

Horizon online. Where's that?
Sustainable?

Like what are we doing here. The industry is fucked and its not just gamepass, but its good to point the finger i guess.

Can we all take a step back and analyse this stuff critically and fairly. Clearly not.
 
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it surprises me who the hell is buying this piece of gameless crap and not a ps5 or pc.
It's not like xbox is cheaper or have anything better to play
Honestly the main Xbox people I know want to play their library and the main multiplat games and don't care about Playstation games nor want to game on a PC

Its a small market that is represented by sales figures as well

Pro consumer customer service gets spun into a negative. Welcome to Gaf where some users talk about an individuals ethics and then uswrs turn around and posts stuff like the above. Gg.


Ok, now run that math for playstation where some prices went up by 35% over the last 2 years in certain reasons and people are in here championing revenue growth and migrating users to higher more expensive tiers.

Its like some people want to make out that all this growth is healthy if its playstation but not if its ms.

Look, im all for shitting on MS. Firing 9000 people is some diabolical shit but all I've ever asked for on here is people to share rhe same energy across multiple platform owners.

They are all as shady as shit

You then have playstation fans talking about how gamepass is killing game titles and you have sony cancelling games left right and centre.

Naughty dog...spent years making an online last of us game to cancel it because they realised its not sustainable.

Bluepoint spending years in a gaas god of war title to only see it cancelled.....due to not it clearly not making business sense. Ie, unsustainable.

Concord....nothing to say

Horizon online. Where's that?
Sustainable?

Like what are we doing here. The industry is fucked and its not just gamepass, but its good to point the finger i guess.

Can we all take a step back and analyse this stuff critically and fairly. Clearly not.
Those people get mad if you Sony too even though they celebrated when Playstation announced record profits last year during those studio closures and price hikes of consoles and PS+ tiers
 
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Those people get mad if you Sony too even though they celebrated when Playstation announced record profits last year during those studio closures and price hikes of consoles and PS+ tiers

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The subtle warring undertones in this kind of posts always kill me. People acting as if it's Sony vs. Microsoft on PS5, instead of Microsoft just being another high-profile third-party publisher on PS5 like Capcom, Ubisoft and Bandai Namco.
Outise of the core COD game (as you said yourself), Microsoft doesn't have anything notable in the following months to drive sales besides Gears of War: Reloaded, which will pretty much pale in comparison to Sony's Ghost of Yotei.
I wouldn't even call it subtle.

In reality, Nintendo and PlayStation are fine and will continue to be. Xbox is on life support and some are really struggling with that.

Really, I would have preferred a real fight from Microsoft with Xbox, because the 360/PS3 days were some of the best to exist. This failure of a brand rests solely on mismanagement from its parent company.

I'm no fan of them, but much of this article is spot on.
 
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Ok, now run that math for playstation where some prices went up by 35% over the last 2 years in certain regions and people are in here championing revenue growth and migrating users to higher more expensive tiers.

Its like some people want to make out that all this growth is healthy if its playstation but not if its ms.

Look, im all for shitting on MS. Firing 9000 people is some diabolical shit but all I've ever asked for on here is people to share rhe same energy across multiple platform owners.

They are all as shady as shit

You then have playstation fans talking about how gamepass is killing game titles and you have sony cancelling games left right and centre.

Naughty dog...spent years making an online last of us game to cancel it because they realised its not sustainable.

Bluepoint spending years in a gaas god of war title to only see it cancelled.....due to not it clearly not making business sense. Ie, unsustainable.

Concord....nothing to say

Horizon online. Where's that?
Sustainable?

Like what are we doing here. The industry is fucked and its not just gamepass, but its good to point the finger i guess.

Can we all take a step back and analyse this stuff critically and fairly. Clearly not.

I'm not going to go into the nuts and bolts of that because a lot of this is "some people said X", and that isn't constructive dialogue. I don't recall people championing the price hike for PlayStation Plus two years ago. In fact, here's a thread that shows most people (myself included) were not pro-price hike:


And then there's this thread:


That thread shows that most people weren't reacting favorably to the increased revenue since it was, at least in part, due to price increases. The occasional troll or corporate bootlicker aside, bragging about revenue after price hikes is uncouth, regardless of who is doing it. Don't act like poor Microsoft is the victim while Sony is being lauded as the hero. That's not what is happening.
 
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Multiple reasons.

Sony and Nintendo were proactive enough to backup inventory SKU's in NA, before the tariffs hit. They also had demand from consumers.

MS didn't, and they planned so too imo. They were dwindling down operations in the middle east, africa and most recently europe, on hardware.

They didn't forecast NA being that demanding for Xbox consoles, going by retail data.

So, 3X less than competitors is actually realistic.
 
The way people treat Xbox as the victim is totally bewildering to me.

How many opportunities have they had? But still have the usual defenders doing Sony too.. in every single thread.
 
Let's face it O.P do you actually think Microsoft gives a dam about that, when they are saying everything is an Xbox? They can take the fall, their pockets are deep enough for it...
 
The subtle warring undertones in this kind of posts always kill me. People acting as if it's Sony vs. Microsoft on PS5, instead of Microsoft just being another high-profile third-party publisher on PS5 like Capcom, Ubisoft and Bandai Namco.
Outise of the core COD game (as you said yourself), Microsoft doesn't have anything notable in the following months to drive sales besides Gears of War: Reloaded, which will pretty much pale in comparison to Sony's Ghost of Yotei.
Its not sony vs ms on playstation. Xbox series is a dead console. Ms is completely third party and absolutely successful on playstation. Playstation benefits from this.
I wouldn't even call it subtle.

In reality, Nintendo and PlayStation are fine and will continue to be. Xbox is on life support and some are really struggling with that.

Really, I would have preferred a real fight from Microsoft with Xbox, because the 360/PS3 days were some of the best to exist. This failure of a brand rests solely on mismanagement from its parent company.

I'm no fan of them, but much of this article is spot on.
There is no warring. You only have to look at the laugh emojis on my posts to see who the warriors are.

You.
tacitus kill gore
Drgnnon

or whatever thwir useenames are. You run around with a good gang ;)
I'm not going to go into the nuts and bolts of that because a lot of this is "some people said X", and that isn't constructive dialogue. I don't recall people championing the price hike for PlayStation Plus two years ago. In fact, here's a thread that shows most people (myself included) were not pro-price hike:


And then there's this thread:


That thread shows that most people weren't reacting favorably to the increased revenue since it was, at least in part, due to price increases. The occasional troll or corporate bootlicker aside, bragging about revenue after price hikes is uncouth, regardless of who is doing it. Don't act like poor Microsoft is the victim while Sony is being lauded as the hero. That's not what is happening.
Great post. I mentioned it in a reputable ro retrogaming who said playstation plus is healthy and seeing growth. That's all 😀
 
Its not sony vs ms on playstation. Xbox series is a dead console. Ms is completely third party and absolutely successful on playstation. Playstation benefits from this.

There is no warring. You only have to look at the laugh emojis on my posts to see who the warriors are.

You.
tacitus kill gore
Drgnnon

or whatever thwir useenames are. You run around with a good gang ;)

Great post. I mentioned it in a reputable ro retrogaming who said playstation plus is healthy and seeing growth. That's all 😀
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Its not sony vs ms on playstation. Xbox series is a dead console. Ms is completely third party and absolutely successful on playstation. Playstation benefits from this.
Nah, you just implied that Sony has nothing on its own, so it will be up to Microsoft to help driving engagement on PS5, while in reality, Sony has a game that will do better than every game published by Microsoft for the next 5 months on PlayStation combined (otutside of COD, and I was not the one to make that exception in the first place). And heck, even if Sony didn't have that game or everything else they're publishing (like Lost Soul Aside), other publishers will still have a more appealing lineup than $80 The Outer Worlds 2.
 
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Xbox has decreased its production which does affect sales. Those figures dont take availability into account.
That's actually worse.

It's like saying Dreamcast would have totally beat Switch 2 last month but "Those figures dont take availability into account."

Instead of the consumer rejecting Xbox, Xbox rejected the consumer. That's worse. It implies that they screwed up in extra ways besides just not being popular.

Xbox not seeming to care about box sales now is why I don't really see the nextbox taking off. Microsoft seems indifferent to hardware sales and that is not good for hardware sales. OR and hear me out, OR they know they will not have BC next gen and want to not promote box sales since those users will expect nextbox to play the games they buy today. Just a theory that is working backwards from the reasoning as to why Xbox seemed to stop caring about box sales.
 
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