Steve Holt
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Pretty terrible performance
Xbox Series X | S Estimated to Have Sold 37 million units
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Magic Carpet
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Speaking of performance, Microsoft should release an update letting those who have given up on the Xbox to crank the clocks to PS5 levels and beyond. Get some actual performance for once. Warrantees are gone anyway.
Then scavenge the SSD and drop kick the box out the door.
Welfare
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US has been ~50:50 for XBS since launch. Only recently has that probably been bumped to ~55%.
The +21M is sold through, Ampere had XBS sell through at +21M end of March 2023. Even then, just the US bringing up the XBS data up to and beyond 25M should be enough to debunk the whole "100M only" thing.
A little under 17M as of June 2025.
Topher
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Why would AMD exclude Steam Deck from the "cumulative unit shipments" number? Pointing to PlayStation and Xbox as the reason for the decline does not mean the total unit shipments for the "gaming segment" is limited to those two platforms. That seems like an assumption.
Welfare
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It's a literally a statement of PS5 and Xbox's accomplishment sandwiched between AMD saying their (PS5 and XBS) inventory has decreased and because of that, AMD expects semi custom sales will return to normal. The 100M is also not a statement of every semi custom SOC AMD has shipped in some unspecified amount of time bracket. When has Steam Deck ever been referred to as part of the current console generation?
Also, if Steam Deck were included, PS5+XBS+Deck hit >100M in Q3 2024.
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mayham2199
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This is exactly how I understood the statement as well.
GHG
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Honestly, it would be even more hilarious if they did.
Mr Moose
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I don't think that's what it says. MS and Sony are lower and others plodding along as usual.
demigod
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A little under 17M? Your own numbers which you inflate, pegged it at 15.46M. Now if the US numbers are around that, we can be generous and say its 50/50 instead of 55/45. So whats double of 15.46? Close to 31. So how are you getting 37M from 31?
Topher
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When has Steam Deck ever existed outside of the current console generation? It hasn't. I'm not saying you are wrong here, but it is not absolutely clear that you are right either. The question is whether AMD counts Steam Deck as a console. If it does then it would make sense that when reporting for the entire gaming segment that those numbers would be included.
If they include Steam Deck then they probably include all of them. Steam Deck is just the one with the most impact.
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Baemono
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Yeah my thought exactly. The US is its biggest market, it barely sells in Europe, and ROW cannot be this big to compensate since it's not even available in most countries (heck even most Europe isn't officially supported)
GHG
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You might want to try also having a read of their 10k which is supplementary to their earnings slides/notes:
The Steam Deck is specifically mentioned as being part of the segment alongside the PS5 and Xbox Series consoles.
Pedro Motta
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Welfare
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It literally says Steam Deck is a PC and PS5 and Xbox are consoles. 100M did not refer to the entire semi custom lineup, only "console generation".You might want to try also having a read of their 10k which is supplementary to their earnings slides/notes:
The Steam Deck is specifically mentioned as being part of the segment alongside the PS5 and Xbox Series consoles.
But thanks for this, I was right. Steam Deck (and other PC handhelds) aren't included in the statement being argued over.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Just happy to see GAF being so intrigued about all things Xbox.
GHG
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And yet there's a completely separate paragraph/section for PC gaming hardware and chips.
Like I said, you should have a read through the whole thing.
This is what the segment includes:
They lumped the Steam Deck with the consoles and then threw all the other portable devices in to this section:
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
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Is that including everything else that's also an Xbox?
GHG
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Is that including everything else that's also an Xbox?
Well "xbox" devices now also fall under the "discrete desktop and notebook gpu's" section, so who knows?
Either way, it's not looking good.
Typical xbox mindset always hunting that engagementJust happy to see GAF being so intrigued about all things Xbox.
Kepler I'm sure is an AMD source of info. He probably can see the numbers in the Semi Custom Business Unit that he is referring to. The Aerith APU was a semi custom chip built specifically for Steam Deck. The other handhelds are not custom chips.
Mr Moose
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Semi-custom products: Xbox Series, PS5, Steam Deck.
PeteBull
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MS conditioned their consumer base to not buy games anymore thx to gamepass, then they started porting their own staple franchises to enemy competitor platforms, competition is needed in console/gaming industry but its MS who decided against it, so when it comes to my opinion, xbox as a brand deserves everything that is coming its way, and spoilers- its nothing good
Topher
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Other journalists were asking the same questions. Not sure how one can say they are emphatically right about this unless they have info direct from AMD.
www.theverge.com
AMD’s chips are winning again — and they’ve officially powered 100 million game consoles.
Its Q4 and full-year 2024 earnings boast record revenue for both data center and client divisions — where “client” equals its Ryzen chips with their Intel-beating gaming CPUs and impressive integrated graphics. While AMD’s gaming biz has been cut in half year-over-year as game console sales dip...
www.theverge.com
HJuggernaut
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not bad, how much has the xsx sold?
Welfare
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Ok so when AMD specifies Steam Deck is a PC, I'm supposed to read "console"? Rhetorical question, no, I shouldn't.And yet there's a completely separate paragraph/section for PC gaming hardware and chips.
Like I said, you should have a read through the whole thing.
This is what the segment includes:
They lumped the Steam Deck with the consoles and then threw all the other portable devices in to this section:
What you've provided does not say what you think it says. PS5, XBS and Steam Deck are in AMD's semi custom products. AMD notes they service consoles (PS5, XBS) and PC (Steam Deck) in their gaming segment. In fact they further specify that they service independent consoles and portable gaming devices, meaning those are two separate kinds of devices. You then post another paragraph of products that use discrete GPU's (desktops and notebooks).
Again, nothing being shown here says Steam Deck is part of the console generation PS5 and XBS occupy. AMD themselves don't label it a console, it's specifically the Valve Steam Deck PC. I don't get how this is an argument at this point.
AMD says current console generation surpassed 100M. Steam Deck per AMD is not a console. Nothing provided here says Steam Deck is a console, only that it's part of the semi custom segment which was never in question.
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GHG
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Other journalists were asking the same questions. Not sure how one can say they are emphatically right about this unless they have info direct from AMD.
AMD’s chips are winning again — and they’ve officially powered 100 million game consoles.
Its Q4 and full-year 2024 earnings boast record revenue for both data center and client divisions — where “client” equals its Ryzen chips with their Intel-beating gaming CPUs and impressive integrated graphics. While AMD’s gaming biz has been cut in half year-over-year as game console sales dip...
Them explicitly stating what falls under "semi-custom sales" makes it clear as day.
Mr Moose
's post above outlines it as well.
See above it's literally outlined under their "semi-custom products" category. But don't let that stop you fighting tooth and nail over those ~5 million sales.
But I can tell you now that if you think that AMD are lying or being misleading in their 10k then there's a lot more money to be made in uncovering that than there is in attempting to misattribute Xbox sales.
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Shadowstar39
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When did this happen? Are you in the US or elsewhere? I got my series x for free (well it was free wirh Verizon home internet. 2 years ago).
Wasn't the series s $299?
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mayham2199
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During the tariff fiasco MS raised their prices and never brought them back down.
mckmas8808
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Literally no disrespect to
Welfare
at all. Dude is great at what he does. But I kinda agree with
demigod
here. Even if we felt like the Xbox Series estimate was 33 million, that would make more sense than 37m. Especially if the US number is at 15.5 million. No way the world combined Xbox Series sales are at 21.5 million. That would be 58% of all Xbox Series console sales. And that just can't be true.
Mr Moose
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jm89
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Welfare
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Do you guys even know what you're arguing.
Console does not mean every semi-custom device. The entire argument is AMD's 100M milestone for the CONSOLE generation. Not one thing in this thread says Steam Deck is a console. It's crazy how people are fighting over basic English at this point. There is no way to fit a device AMD calls a PC into a statistic for consoles unless you change the quote from AMD to fit your desire.
Fact is that AMD said the current console generation surpassed 100M shipments. Nothing was said about all semi-custom devices, that's something you are adding on. It's fallacious to argue that the statement includes anything more than PS5 and XBS.
Console does not mean every semi-custom device. The entire argument is AMD's 100M milestone for the CONSOLE generation. Not one thing in this thread says Steam Deck is a console. It's crazy how people are fighting over basic English at this point. There is no way to fit a device AMD calls a PC into a statistic for consoles unless you change the quote from AMD to fit your desire.
Fact is that AMD said the current console generation surpassed 100M shipments. Nothing was said about all semi-custom devices, that's something you are adding on. It's fallacious to argue that the statement includes anything more than PS5 and XBS.
GHG
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Dude, this whole "semi-custom" device thing was the basis of your argument:
And now that you've been shown the following, which shows that AMD does indeed include the Steam Deck in their semi-custom category you want to switch it up and move the goalposts in random directions?:
It would have been far more simple and graceful for you to simply say you're not sure anymore.
MS have found a loophole where if they release a new controller every month it increases xbox console sales. Maybe that's why they keep doing it?Literally no disrespect to
I wish they would just give us the damn figures though like everybody else but this is what they want, obfuscation.
You have a very good source telling you what those numbers ment though:
Topher
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I think everyone knows what the debate is about. No need to get snarky.
AMD's statement can be read as stating the number for the entire gaming segment. Again, even Verge's journalists were asking if those numbers included handhelds. Not fallacious to argue that. You just don't agree with it. That's fine.
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Ultra Donny
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So it's dead.
Welfare
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I have no idea where you got 15.46M. US June 2025 LTD is nearly 17M. End of 2024 was ~16.3M
So the thing is, different analytic firms have different XBS sell through estimates which muddy things. Omdia had XBS end of 2024 at 32.5M. IDG has it somewhere around 34M. My end of 2024 shipment estimate was <36M. ~37M is my June 2025 estimate. I only care to estimate shipments but seeing what the US sold through this year alone (~700K), worldwide sell through is probably ~1.3M in 2025. Going off that IDG figure, XBS sell through would be somewhere in the 35M's right now. A 37M shipment estimate would not be immediately inaccurate as that's within 2M unsold units, 2M or more being typical for consoles. If you take Omdia's figure then XBS is nearly 34M, making ~37M practically impossible.Literally no disrespect to
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demigod
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Ok, even if thats the number, its still way off from the 37M.
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Xbox 360 slim
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Fanboy fight!
reinking
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I think we are beyond that now and have moved on to pride and reputation.
Van Gogh and all of its variants were developed by SCBU (Semi-Custom Business Unit) and fall under the same reporting as the consoles. Z1/Z2 are repurposed laptop chips (Rembrandt/Phoenix/Strix) and fall under Client segment.
StreetsofBeige
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All you guys arguing Xbox S/X sales +/- a couple million units based on guesstimates and different data on different sites to feel better about yourselves. LOL