manfestival
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I just learned a very dear lesson in not meleeing a muton.... ever. Almost lost my highest level guy that way
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XCOM 2 |OT| Be Aggressive! Be Be Aggressive!
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Always love reading this stuff!
Atraveller
Banned
I did rush guerilla tactics school and got squad size 5, but I've yet to make contact with anywhere else and have no weapon upgrades, you sure this is a good idea?
King Tubby
Member
I would wait on the Black Site mission, to be honest. Use the time to build up your contacts and do research and the like and don't worry so much about the Avatar Project. Once it starts getting close to filling up you can do the Black Site to relieve some of that pressure, and by that time you should have Mag Weapons and Predator Armor.
Slackbladder
Member
What's so annoying about missing high percentage shots is you never compensate for them by taking low percentage shots. Who's going to take a 10% to hit? Or even a 20% let alone a 1%? You never make up for your misses even though technically you can. It's always against you.That said once or twice I've got sub 30% chances but that's still nearly one in three, I know I'll never take a one in ten shot.
The *second* tutorial mission can be a complete nightmare depending on where the game spawns the enemies/cover. I restarted that mission 3 times on commander with 3 dead/4 dead (wipe)/1 minor injury.
The game isn't easy, but that mission is much harder than the mission you get if you choose to skip the tutorial. Personally, I'd suggest turning the difficulty down for that mission.
glad to help.
That's why grenades are so good. Guaranteed hit and cover removal. The proper way to kill an alien is not to have a 85% shot at it, it's to shoot a grenade and have two different guys line up two 85% yellow shots. Suddenly the odds don't just matter anymore.
Slackbladder
Member
Indeed. But I almost think it's cheating to rely on Grenadiers/grenades. Not by much though.
Sorta, but I feel it just make sense. Happily my attitude with theses things is that if it makes sense, I won't mind. If you got angry aliens on the loose, you'll probably want to just blow everything to hell with high explosives. That's how I even justify shooting bunch of clustered civilians with nades if I'm sure they got a faceless in there.
yeah speaking of which is so gosh darn easy to be a terrorist in this game. I hope somewhere is keeping track of 'civilians accidentally murdered'.
It doesn't help they don't run away from fire effects and so one burned to death when I started off combat with incendiary nades despite being 3 or 4 tiles away from fire
It doesn't help they don't run away from fire effects and so one burned to death when I started off combat with incendiary nades despite being 3 or 4 tiles away from fire
Yesterday I missed 88%, 84% followed by a 91% to finish off a sectoid to try and drop his zombie that would more than likely 1shot someone. Saved by the 34% when all that was over, but the initial chain of misses was unreal. On Legend too so no aim assists I think.
On another note, probably the worst part about restarting Legendary campaigns is relying on Long Watch when your new snipers are just squaddies lol.
Shake Appeal
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There's also a (cosmetic) bug where they sometimes don't get "scared" when shit goes down, and instead walk through the firefight like they're taking an evening stroll.
Oh, I hate that so much. Because you have to wait for them to stop walking before being control back from the game.
Poodlestrike
Banned
So, I decided to do a GAF run on legend ironman and will update y'all as to make me play to the end, be it my end or the alien's. No restarting until some ending movie plays.
No editing to make character pool more likely because I unshackled some stuff that prevents rookies from looking crazy, so I like my crazy rookies.
Some gifs of the first mission.
Mupod and Glitchesarecool are on my initial squad. The other two are generic rookies, but I hope everyone will learn to love them.
It's the first mission, so the plan is simple: find a building and cheese the height bonus. I set up my ambush and...
...the other people on the pod don't seem to notice their dead comrade, meaning that Mupod will have to go and be bait.
The bait does his job and even manages to score a free kill with a grenade. His job is to die, but hey, if he wants to kill, that's cool, too.
Second pod, second building, this map is really good, btw, I should know, I've played this first mission *a lot*. A good building helps a bunch, two good buildings and we're all set.
Glitches does her job, Mupod the bait, fails, but it's ok. The real problem is that the overwatch rookie on the roof also misses, and the trooper escapes to find his friends, which helps, because he gives us their direction.
And he doesn't even have a chance to join his pals, as my bait manages another kill.
A sectoid and a trooper when you have a godlike position are no threats at all. A little scare when both people on the roof missed their overwatch shots, allowing the trooper to shoot. But the trooper also misses, so all is cool.
What else is cool is glitches, who decided to not miss twice.
Flawless first mission. It helps a lot going into the game with a full squad.
Glitchesarecool became a specialist because glitches are cool. Mupod, tired of being bait, decided to become a sharpshooter.
Yesss, Yesss!
TonkatsuAddict
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Thin Men having poison? Chryssalids spawning zombies? Mutons having grenades? Sectoid Commanders being able to mind control? There was plenty of crap in EU that you had to face-plant into your first time playing. And are you seriously complaining about Blazing Pinions? That's the single most easily and obviously avoidable attack in the game. Unlike the codex AoE ability, it doesn't even do anything to you unless you just stand there under the giant obviously bad lasers.
It's easily avoidable but it sucks if cover is not plentiful/you're using snipers who you need a good rifle shot to do damage/you're being overwatched.
TonkatsuAddict
Member
Sure, it's an annoying attack, but the complaint was that XCOM 2 has too much stuff that screws you over due to being unpredictable. Blazing Pinions is about as predictable as attacks come.
toastyToast
Member
I think I had a harder time with sectoids ay the start of the game than I've had with the big enemies much later.
Vipers and Mutons is the hardest part of the game for me.
Sectoids still has no idea how to shoot their gun in the beginning so you can gun them down in their 0th turn with grenades.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Vipers were tricky the first time around, but Mutons are the place where things start to get interesting for me.
Sectoids are just a non-factor, generally (at least until they start spawning in multiples, but that's post-Muton). Kill their podmates when they appear and you're basically buying a free turn to kill them because they're so damn zombie-happy. Effortless.
Superior stocks, man! I started taking all kinds of low percent shots with those.
(Nothing like putting superior stock on your grenadiers so no matter what they're always doing damage!)
RandomSeed
Member
I'm using the 100% accurate swords mod this time, and I still don't want to use them. Way too much risk, for a small amount of damage. Fixed damage or bust I guess. It worked fine with a MEC in EW, and they have WAY more defensive options than a Ranger has, so the risk would still be nice and high for the guaranteed damage.
I totally think commander difficulty is more "fair" than classic at the start. I have zero fears of a wipe when I start a game in 2, but I know if I get Murder Street, or Highway to Hell in EW, it's goodbye squad. Early Thin Men missions before upgrades are also a big old roll of the dice.
That's why I have the Enhanced swords mod. I still am eh on them though.
Yep, I remember reading a classic difficulty guide that started by saying 'if you get these maps then restart because you'll just wipe'.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
This is a wee bit late, but I'm uncertain of how mimc beacons can be nerfed.
If they make them less of an attractive target that's an extremely thin line on how to balance priority, as that's the entire point.
But if they double the resource cost of faceless needed to get one, or make them one-time use only, that's also (moreso the latter, to be fair), that's also potentially a huge cost/investment change.
If they make them less of an attractive target that's an extremely thin line on how to balance priority, as that's the entire point.
But if they double the resource cost of faceless needed to get one, or make them one-time use only, that's also (moreso the latter, to be fair), that's also potentially a huge cost/investment change.
RandomSeed
Member
Hmm, I think I tried the rebalance one, didn't notice any changes, so I just went with the accurate one. I can already agree with your "eh" comment, though, since the same damage as a shotgun is still...just...why not use a shotgun? Firaxis must really have been worried about making swords so strong that people would just use them all the time, but it seems to fit so well with their idea of risk vs reward. Even if you're 100% sure you can get a kill, if you activate a new pod, or his buddy decides to flank you, you're toast. Maybe untouchable would need to be tweaked I guess.
Flashbangs (huge radius) and aid protocol are also much better for defense early on than having 1 use of smoke in EW, and I think the maps in 2 generally give you much better cover to work with.
I think giving them less health/defense would be a simple nerf.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'd say make them the first thing an alien shoots at, but only on the first turn they see it.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Honestly even though there's a whole load of cheap enemies on the game there's only 2 that really piss me off. First is the floating ball. Raising the dead is not an issue but an entire squad wounding AOE is just bullshit. The range on it is absolutely ridiculous to the point that half the time it fires it the opposite way from my team and still manages to hit 4 of them.
The real bitch though is the guy with the stun baton. I mean it's bad enough when one comes into view just near the end of a turn and decides to run half the map to stun or paralyze you, but what really takes the cake is when one decides to stun baton the only one with a line of sight on the 'spike' when you're attacked in your ship. Or worse yet stun baton the last one out of range from the evac on the same mission turning them into a mandatory sacrifice.
The real bitch though is the guy with the stun baton. I mean it's bad enough when one comes into view just near the end of a turn and decides to run half the map to stun or paralyze you, but what really takes the cake is when one decides to stun baton the only one with a line of sight on the 'spike' when you're attacked in your ship. Or worse yet stun baton the last one out of range from the evac on the same mission turning them into a mandatory sacrifice.
toastyToast
Member
Actually yeah the vipers when they first appeared were really annoying. It took be way too long to upgrade my armor so the bind attack was painful on top of being a nuisance.
I was commenting moreso on how ridiculously OP I've gotten. I did the UFO mission and had to deal with a trio of archons and another pod with an andromedon and couple troopers. Melted everything in the one turn. I've only seen chryssalids a couple times. Those things were awful.
Bigger pods would be nice. Have the first one or two aliens kill the beacon so the other two or so still have a regular response. Three pod max is kind of irrelevant when you get to late game and your squad outnumbers theirs (on top of all the ambush options you have).
MrCompletely
Member
Man, them bluescreen rounds and EMP bombs make Gateways and Sectopods so less threatening.
AWC Gave my best Sharpshooter the ability to shred armor, so giving her some bluescreen rounds makes her a nightmare for Gateways, Heavy MECs, and Sectopods.
AWC Gave my best Sharpshooter the ability to shred armor, so giving her some bluescreen rounds makes her a nightmare for Gateways, Heavy MECs, and Sectopods.
KillerDark
Member
Happened to me as well! Never going to make that mistake again, ended up losing the mission because of it... 5 KIa 1 captured
. Thought that might actually end my ironman campaign but I have recovered somewhat from it... still was a big blow thoughMetroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Possibly, but aside from some craaaazy miss sprees, they usually die to any pod once the aliens reach midgame (admittedly moreso if it's not an all-advent pod)
Do you mean that a mimic beacon only works once per map? I could see that working, somewhat, even if it does limit its usefulness somewhat.
Shake Appeal
Member
There are lots of options. I'd so some combination of this, with 1. being key to any nerf.
1. Reduce their priority when AI is selecting targets (no alien should be giving up easy flank shot for a mimic).
2. Reduce their HP so they die in a shot or two from normal enemies, and in one shot from anything powerful.
3. Make them die when attacked or fired on, regardless of whether the attack hits; this basically means the Mimics save you from one attack, making their use and placement much more situational.
4. Up the Faceless/Supplies requirement (I'm less in favor of this, because I think it doesn't really solve anything; one mimic beacon is still overpowered, and I like giving people tactical options).
5. Make them a Proving Grounds project with the added cost of an Elerium core.
6. Make them a consumable.
Glitchesarecool
Member
I love these stories also I love being good in someone else's game. Also I hadn't realized how appropriate a specialist would be for my name.
Honestly Swordin' around comes down to Bladestorm.
Bladestorm reads: "Every time a enemy in melee range tries to move or attack, you get a free attack".
What it doesn't specify is that you get said attack BEFORE their attack\move: So, with a Tracer rounds or a AIM implant, you can get a >70% chance to hit on the bladestorm, and of course, you're invulnerable due to Untouchable anyway.
Bladestorm is a completely free hit after you go in melee range of something, be it to shotgun or sword.
Can work either with Blademaster\Conceal or Phantom\Run&Gun, depending on what you like the most.
Honestly, swords need to stop missing. Grazing only. Then we're done on that.
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