Interesting idea for a bet. Take Two hasn't cared too much for Civ V's 7.4 million sales being PC only - in fact they were extremely happy with it during their investor call when they discussed Civ BE, pretty much the same for a whole bunch of other developers that release on PC only for a variety of reasons. Still I'm interested to hear their reasoning as to why it is PC only tomorrow and the rest of this week when they specifically discuss exactly that
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XCOM 2 (PC/Mac/Linux, Firaxis, November 2015) announced [Up: New info/screens in OP]
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Interesting idea for a bet. Take Two hasn't cared too much for Civ V's 7.4 million sales being PC only - in fact they were extremely happy with it during their investor call when they discussed Civ BE, pretty much the same for a whole bunch of other developers that release on PC only for a variety of reasons. Still I'm interested to hear their reasoning as to why it is PC only tomorrow and the rest of this week when they specifically discuss exactly that
alexandros
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Those are PCs too damnit!
Then why does it say PC/Mac/Linux in the thread title if PC is not usually meant to be the windows version?
Am I being trolled?
TC McQueen
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IIRC, the problem with XCOM: EU's RNG was that it picked all the hit probabilities at the beginning of the turn and tied them to the amount of actions taken, so if your third action was a 95% shot, it would always fail if that action was the one that was going to fail. That was why they implemented that Save Scumming Second Wave option that reset the RNG pool every time you reloaded a save.
Good point, although I would say that CIV has never really seena signicant console sales/release, wheras with XCOM, I was pretty sure the majority of sales had come from console (can't remember the thread or time I saw the LTD).
BronsonLee
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Pretty sure if someone else comes in saying this isn't going to be a true PC exclusive, Nzyme32 is going to spontaneously combust
Xamtheking
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Because most people associate PC with Windows
But it's not what PC means
I've never understood that one, but the industry seems to be happy with that nomenclature
Yeah, it's weird and only happens in the game industry as well.
PC = Personal Computer, Linux and OSx systems are also Personal Computers, hence...
Xamtheking
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We're both serious
It's hilarious still
Xplatformer
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Thisi is some bullshit thinking.
alexandros
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lol, no way. i am willing ot bet anything, that EU sold better on PC than on consoles, thus the reason why its pc exclusive.
I have a mobile phone that runs on Linux
Civ on console, yuck!
Well actually I think it has. Civ Rev was out on consoles and was pretty well received I think but didn't quite do well. Xcom did poorly on the consoles from what we know, even though again people like it. It is what gives the impression that console gamers generally are not as keen on such games. I'd be certain that any reasoning for not releasing on consoles is more significant than that though. My guess is that the game is not going to be the same as Xcom 1 in how it plays and it's mechanics. I suspect they want that same Civ V type attachment and longevity while having mods be an integral component that will earn them both money on the game and possibly bringing back paid mods (or so IGN suggest we'll here this week) - which in this case has a chance to actually work if they curate it and only pick things such as Long War that are massively worthwhile rather than the open method used for meaningless tat in Elder Scrolls and interfering with its pre-exisiting mod community.
alexandros
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Yeah, that would be my guess as well. They may be trying to make it more of a "PC" game this time, which would require a lot more depth in its mechanics and robust mod support.
I actually could totally see a full civ(not a revolution, fuck that noise) working on console. It's turn based and honestly is just about using the mouse to tell people where to move and towns what to build. It's really not that hard to imagine.
Tangentially, I'm kinda annoyed that they're happy with Civ BE's sales. it was as mediocre as the series has ever been, so I hope they don't think everything's fine.
I bought it day 1, I'm part of the problem.
It wasn't that bad, just quite dialled back in terms of mechanics and complexity. Still seems fun from what I watched of it
Actually I've tried Civ V with a 360 pad and Steam BPM's mouse emulation - it is crazy slow to do anything and frustrating knowing how much easier it is with a mouse, but obviously any console version would probably have more effort than that. Having said that, time and again turn based stratergy hasn't worked out for them, so I'm not sure how much they would be bothered to try again. As for Civ BE, totally agree. It is perfect on paper but so characterless when actually played. Much is lost without the grounding in human history and great personalities of Civs.
As far as Xcom 2 goes, November is also the launch of Steam Link and the Controller, and there isn't much in the way of signs for native supported titles for it yet. Stranger things could happen, but if Xcom 2 is mouse and keyboard centric, it would be nice to see native support for the controller, and hopefully something that really works, because I badly want that thing to work for the lounge and this kind of game
Owned it and it really didn't need to be dumbed down to the point it was. Honestly, it still has about the same amount of menus Civ V does so it wasn't a matter of a controller not being able to cope. It felt more like the developers thought that a console user's brain wouldn't be able to cope with a full featured civ. It was terrible.
Hell yes. Xcom with proper mod support and procedurally generated maps.
I think the focus is on PC to make sure that things that ought to be in the game (like mods) are in this time. Maybe they'll port to consoles later, but after they've made sure and added the features that they want to add on the PC version.
I think the focus is on PC to make sure that things that ought to be in the game (like mods) are in this time. Maybe they'll port to consoles later, but after they've made sure and added the features that they want to add on the PC version.
alexandros
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I doubt it was an issue of intelligence. It's more likely that there simply aren't enough console gamers that are looking for that deep, strategic, complex experience, so for a game to sell to the masses it needs to be simplified and "streamlined".
I have desktop computer that runs with ARM, I know tech is hard.
lucky for us X Com 2 is gonna be in plenty of platforms.
Be interesting to see how it goes, if it's merely a timed exclusive or this time they're just gonna give XCOM2 the full Civ treatment and make it a tentpole PC release. I feel like EU/EW were pretty much side projects compared to everything else at 2K, which meant the team didn't really have the chance to make anything but a well-meaning but not really intensely deep strategy game like the Civ team could, and that they basically had to do the multiplat route and balance depth and accessibility to try to garner as many sales as possible.
At least mod support this time around means modders don't need to hex-edit stuff to try to add new things in and you're not forced to use another executable for texture mods.
I feel like some of you are forgetting what Enemy Unknown looks like. Sure, it's not a MASSIVE graphical leap, but it's definitely improved.
And I have a server that runs Windows.
RandyBobandy
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Port begging is ok if it's a PC game
Well, if MS sticks to their plan, then Win 10 will run on desktops and their phones, at least in name.
So everything is a PC. We all are PC.
FunkyDealer
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What a bullshit move, keeping it PC only after building a fanbase on consoles with Enemy Unknown. The game even controlled significantly better with a controller (on PC) in my goddamn honest opinion. I have EU on PC, for the loadtimes first and graphics second, but I want this on either Ps4 or Xbone.
C'mon 2K, don't be a dick. Don't make me use a Steam Sale.
C'mon 2K, don't be a dick. Don't make me use a Steam Sale.
More ass aliens you say?
UnrealEck
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Why?
Syndicate and Syndicate Wars - the first one got so hard later on I never beat the game even when I sank hundreds of hours into it as a teen
Battle Isle Phase 4 Incubation As a squad based game unlike the rest of the series - and one of my favourite games of all times, the game looked so great with a 3dfx card
XCom fanbase on consoles? Haven't heard, seen, or ever meet such mythical beings.
I'm a PS3 gamer and considerating the goals for what they want for this new version (mods mainly), I can see why this is PC only. I'm excited. Sure it will come to consoles later without mod support.
As I played through Unknown and Within, I always considered what else they could do with the turn based combat system they used. Stealth was one of things I considered and reading the bullet points made my giddy.
November soo too far away....
As I played through Unknown and Within, I always considered what else they could do with the turn based combat system they used. Stealth was one of things I considered and reading the bullet points made my giddy.
November soo too far away....
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