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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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Helmholtz

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I don't believe for a second there aren't stealth fuckers in there. They figured out the pearl all on their own? Yeah right. I didn't even notice it. :p
Yeah. Figuring out that the necklace = poison, and that a stone was missing, so soon after the episode aired is such a stretch. Unfortunately it's kind of impossible to prove and I guess that information would make its way into the thread eventually.
 

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Re-watching the dwarf fight, the one playing Robb, while you never get a clear look at his face, it is clearly a male when he shouts "I am King of the North.
 

Vire

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I think the constant cuts to Olena really gave it away, that and the incredibly ominous line about what a shame it would be to die at your own wedding.
 

LordCanti

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Yea. But it removes him from the area so people don't wonder why he did anything.

I'm sure we'll get a "WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU MAESTER?" "You....sent me away, your Grace!" scene as he's tossed aside in favor of Clyburn permanently. They may even end him here.

I've been expecting Penny to be excised - that whole storyline's just a bit awkward.

I agree with this. If that's not going anywhere in the books, get rid of it.

I was purposefully looking for this when I watched the episode and still missed it haha.

I was watching the necklace like a hawk and didn't see it. I knew she probably took a stone when she was touching her all over, but I didn't see it even though I was looking for it.
 
I like at the very end when the dying Joffrey is pointing at Tyrion and it cuts to the shot of Tyrion examining the cup there's a member of the Kingsguard just standing in the background doing nothing.
 
I missed Joffrey's line about his Valyrian steel experience...

Reaction videos are going to be interesting, they did a good job at making it look like Joffrey look terrible from The Strangler even if they didn't include his clawing at his throat. Yay he's dead but I'm gonna miss Gleeson's portrayal of that little shit. I do wish they got someone a lot younger for Tommen, no Ser Pounce I'm afraid unless they've made Tommen "simple". :\ I guess "Ser Pounce" could be the nickname given to Margery's "kitty". I imagine Penny, if used is going to either by "Robb", they kind of have to have her there to recognize Tyrion. Oh and Shae is an idiot.

I imagine Bran's vision is going to be broken down and studied a bit though the show isn't that into the prophecy bit. Did they completely recycle the Iron Throne shot from season 2?
 

Trasher

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That's impossible. Ygritte is still alive, Jon isn't the LC yet.

I know, unless they are radically altering his reasons for leaving. Then again he could just be taking Gilly away from the wall for now since the Wildlings are coming

Yeah. That was slightly concerning to me. That's accelerating Sam's storyline quite a bit if it is in fact what it appears to be.
 
Maybe I'm forgetting something in the books about the necklace.

Why the fuck would Olenna go through this trouble of having Dontos give Sansa a poison necklace, just so Olenna could try and steal it back and palm it at the wedding and then slip it in Joffrey's cup?

How exactly is that easier than just carrying the poison and dropping it in the cup? How does her plan benefit from the poison first having to go to Sansa and then go through this very risky pickpocketing plan? Something that someone might have noticed her doing? Or Sansa may not have worn the necklace at all.

Was there any reasonable explanation for this in the book?

The illogic of that whole scenario is one thing that makes me positive that guy in the other thread read the book. The leap makes no sense if you've only seen the show. The "the whole scene with the fool stuck out like a sore thumb and that's how he made the leap" makese no sense -- that would lead you to think Dontos was the poisoner, not Olenna.
 
Maybe I'm forgetting something in the books about the necklace.

Why the fuck would Olenna go through this trouble of having Dontos give Sansa a poison necklace, just so Olenna could try and steal it back and palm it at the wedding and then slip it in Joffrey's cup?

How exactly is that easier than just carrying the poison and dropping it in the cup? How does her plan benefit from the poison first having to go to Sansa and then go through this very risky pickpocketing plan? Something that someone might have noticed her doing? Or Sansa may not have worn the necklace at all.

Was there any reasonable explanation for this in the book?

The illogic of that whole scenario is one thing that makes me positive that guy in the other thread read the book. The leap makes no sense if you've only seen the show. The "the whole scene with the fool stuck out like a sore thumb and that's how he made the leap" makese no sense -- that would lead you to think Dontos was the poisoner, not Olenna.

It could have been to make sure Littlefinger had a role in the assassination as well by providing the poison at the wedding. The Tyrells might not have trusted him to keep quiet otherwise.
 

Lautaro

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Same here. I knew what was up and still missed it initially. Makes you wonder about those guys in the other thread..

You guys need to check your eyes, also there's a bit where Sansa covers the goblet with her hand like she's putting something. I thought the whole scene lacked subtlety but maybe I was just putting much more attention.
 

Speevy

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Maybe I'm forgetting something in the books about the necklace.

Why the fuck would Olenna go through this trouble of having Dontos give Sansa a poison necklace, just so Olenna could try and steal it back and palm it at the wedding and then slip it in Joffrey's cup?

How exactly is that easier than just carrying the poison and dropping it in the cup? How does her plan benefit from the poison first having to go to Sansa and then go through this very risky pickpocketing plan? Something that someone might have noticed her doing? Or Sansa may not have worn the necklace at all.

Was there any reasonable explanation for this in the book?

The illogic of that whole scenario is one thing that makes me positive that guy in the other thread read the book. The leap makes no sense if you've only seen the show. The "the whole scene with the fool stuck out like a sore thumb and that's how he made the leap" makese no sense -- that would lead you to think Dontos was the poisoner, not Olenna.

Petyr Baelish gave it to Dontos, didn't he?
 

Speevy

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Also, I know this show takes liberties with the "medieval"-ness of the costumes and sets, but the giant lion's mouth was ridiculous.
 

CoolOff

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Or maybe the poison was difficult to get a hold of, and only Littlefinger had a supply, and him handing it over to Olenna ahead of the wedding is risky.
 
Well, Sam doesn't have a ton left to do anyway though it's curious if they're leaving Aemon behind. I guess they'll have him be the one who nominates Jon. It kind of makes sense for Aemon not to go given his age though it was Aemon's idea in the first place in the books wasn't it? Cuts down on what will be needed with Sam next season. Kind of lining up for most of AFfC and ADWD being one season, I wonder what other stories they'll be doing the same with. Still not crazy about the idea of Stannis going to Braavos as shown in the trailers. That first shot of the Titan really should've been saved for Arya.
 

Herr K

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Maybe I'm forgetting something in the books about the necklace.

Why the fuck would Olenna go through this trouble of having Dontos give Sansa a poison necklace, just so Olenna could try and steal it back and palm it at the wedding and then slip it in Joffrey's cup?

How exactly is that easier than just carrying the poison and dropping it in the cup? How does her plan benefit from the poison first having to go to Sansa and then go through this very risky pickpocketing plan? Something that someone might have noticed her doing? Or Sansa may not have worn the necklace at all.

Was there any reasonable explanation for this in the book?

The illogic of that whole scenario is one thing that makes me positive that guy in the other thread read the book. The leap makes no sense if you've only seen the show. The "the whole scene with the fool stuck out like a sore thumb and that's how he made the leap" makese no sense -- that would lead you to think Dontos was the poisoner, not Olenna.

Olenna didn't give Dontos the necklace, it was actually Petyr. It was just a smart way of doing the transaction without anyone suspecting it.
 

LordCanti

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Is it against the rules to say that women can't rule in the non-readers thread?

I'm not sure this is true even if you were to tell them that. Weren't there Targaryen Queens that ruled?

Either way, they already figured out that Tommen is next in line. You wouldn't really be adding anything by saying that. (I have no idea if it would break any rules)

Edit: Suddenly remembering book 5's talk about how Dorne allows women to ascend the throne and Westeros doesn't. So you're probably right.
 

ezrarh

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That guy misspelling Tyrion as "Tirion" and Shae as "Chae" comes off as suspicious too. At this point into the 4th season, if you're misspelling Tyrion you must be doing it intentionally but there's really no way to really prove someone unless they've posted it here.

Other than that, really enjoyed the episode. I was waiting for his death for a long time.
 

ShaneB

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Loved the episode and it's just the tip of the iceberg of what's to come.

Also, It still baffles me when people openly tweet the craziest of spoilers having the #purplewedding hashtag.

I mean I know we're in a different age now, but does everyone just assume everyone watches everything?

Ah well, end that short rant that's been said many times. *shrug*
 
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