Rape, incest, domestic abuse - he's way into it.
Old Man Logan's genuinely pretty decent though.
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David Goyer's opinions on Martian Manhunter/She-Hulk - insults fanbase in the process
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Rape, incest, domestic abuse - he's way into it.
Old Man Logan's genuinely pretty decent though.
I only know MM through JL and JLU. He also wasn't a shape shifting homicide detective in some random city on that show.The character has already been updated if you ask me and he was great.
I don't have any thoughts on She-Hulk except that she looks hot. Goyer might be right there.
Still, the joke was stupid and cliché, just like his dialogue.
I don't have any thoughts on She-Hulk except that she looks hot. Goyer might be right there.
Still, the joke was stupid and cliché, just like his dialogue.
I have a lot of words for Mark Millar. None of them are nice words.
Unspeakable Evil
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUwkqeI7XWk
the one he read the script to. Who thought capes were too ..just watch the video
Zeyphersan
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But.... She-Hulk is awesome 
Two shitty writers having the same shitty opinions and making money out of them. There's a place for everyone in the world and that's fine.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I already knew Goyer was a hack, but no way I was expecting him to be so fucking ignorant about comic book characters, specially for a guy who makes his living writing stories about them.
I mean, I'm going to let that Martian Manhunter jab slide and focus on this:
That quote about She-Hulk is mind bending for all the reasons exposed in this thread and maybe a few more. Fucking clueless.
I mean, I'm going to let that Martian Manhunter jab slide and focus on this:
That quote about She-Hulk is mind bending for all the reasons exposed in this thread and maybe a few more. Fucking clueless.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah and if you don't have faith in these characters just because they're not Batman/Superman/Spider-Man levels of popular, then why the fuck should I trust you to adapt them to film in a way that's faithful and enjoyable?
Hot Coldman
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OOH OOH I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE
if Goyer is relying on only non-virgins to see his comic book movie then he's probably barking up the wrong tree, amirite
boom
if Goyer is relying on only non-virgins to see his comic book movie then he's probably barking up the wrong tree, amirite
boom
Napoleonthechimp
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Comic book fans are virgins lololol
*followed by a discussion about hulk and she-hulk fucking*
GTFO Goyer
*followed by a discussion about hulk and she-hulk fucking*
GTFO Goyer
PushTheButtonMax
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Yeah i'm not saying it's the same guy, it's just Goyer's attitude reminds me of Peters.
Goyer really dislikes the rest of the DC Universe I assume.
and Comic nerds
Messypandas
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Goyer hates green people confirmed
Can't you say the same thing about Martian manhunter ? With JL and JLU.
Doctor Decimate
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and it's the same thing with Martian Manhunter and Justice League/Unlimited. you can't call one of these guys too obscure and then turn around and put the other guy in a movie.
Mechanized
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Insult the fanbase with a tired cliche. Smart.
titiklabingapat
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No one really knows too much of DC's lineup beside Batman and Superman. (and now Arrow?)
But Justice League/unlimited, young justice, teen titans tries to help get the rest of the world out there.
And even if Martian Manhunter was as obscure as he thinks, so what? Not a single person knew who Luke Skywalker was when Star Wars came out. It's Goyer's job to construct a narrative that makes us care about these characters, whether we've heard of them beforehand or not. It's what he gets paid literally millions of dollars to do, at least in theory. In reality he's mostly there to give actors words to say in between the special effects that go in the trailer.
If you don't think there are great She-Hulk stories that have been told, you should do some more reading on the character, Mr. Goyer.
Delta Assault
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I don't see the big deal. In the first quote, he's just stating that Martian Manhunter, compared to Batman or Superman, is relatively unknown to the mainstream. That's just... uh, the truth. There's nothing outrageous about that statement.
And the second quote was phrased very poorly, since we all know She-Hulk does not engage in incest with the Hulk. But the basic gist of Goyer's sentiment is perfectly valid. She-Hulk... was probably designed to titillate and feed into a male fantasy. I mean, I don't know how you can deny that. There's a reason she's designed the way she is from a physical appearance perspective. She doesn't resemble a brutish Frankenstein-like monster the way the Hulk does. She's curvy and shapely and perfectly appealing to a young male reader. Goyer's not really going off on a limb here.
So I don't really understand the outrage here. If you were at a bar with some buddies, and happened to engage in a spirited conversation about superheroes, and one of them made these two statements... you'd probably think nothing of it and go along with him/her. But because Goyer just happens to have directed a terrible movie (Blade Trinity) and written a pretty bad Superman script (Man of Steel), it's apparently enough for a public lynching.
And really... getting upset at his joke about not getting laid? The truly shocking thing to me about this is not him making the joke in front of an audience... it's the fact that comic book fans are still so incredibly thin-skinned and defensive about something that's been beaten down long ago and become virtually enshrined as an artifact of geekdom. The only reason Goyer makes the joke is because he considers himself a geek as well. This sorta thing is so beyond offense at this point.
And the second quote was phrased very poorly, since we all know She-Hulk does not engage in incest with the Hulk. But the basic gist of Goyer's sentiment is perfectly valid. She-Hulk... was probably designed to titillate and feed into a male fantasy. I mean, I don't know how you can deny that. There's a reason she's designed the way she is from a physical appearance perspective. She doesn't resemble a brutish Frankenstein-like monster the way the Hulk does. She's curvy and shapely and perfectly appealing to a young male reader. Goyer's not really going off on a limb here.
So I don't really understand the outrage here. If you were at a bar with some buddies, and happened to engage in a spirited conversation about superheroes, and one of them made these two statements... you'd probably think nothing of it and go along with him/her. But because Goyer just happens to have directed a terrible movie (Blade Trinity) and written a pretty bad Superman script (Man of Steel), it's apparently enough for a public lynching.
And really... getting upset at his joke about not getting laid? The truly shocking thing to me about this is not him making the joke in front of an audience... it's the fact that comic book fans are still so incredibly thin-skinned and defensive about something that's been beaten down long ago and become virtually enshrined as an artifact of geekdom. The only reason Goyer makes the joke is because he considers himself a geek as well. This sorta thing is so beyond offense at this point.
Sho_Nuff82
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And yet, Drax, Gamora, Rocket, Bartoc, Groot, Ronan, Blink, and Amim Zola are all in theaters this year, while Huntress, Count Vertigo, Deathlok, Graviton, and Red Arrow were on TV recently.
Blink!
Quicksilver got in a movie before the goddamn Flash because WB thinks so little of their audience. Clearly, we draw the line at a female who can throw tanks and green men from space.
Keep fucking that chicken, Goyer.
Edit: I'd argue that She Hulk is the most empowered mainstream female superhero. Aside from Jean who is always dead, and Ororo. She's a single female lawyer for goodness sake.
Blink!
Quicksilver got in a movie before the goddamn Flash because WB thinks so little of their audience. Clearly, we draw the line at a female who can throw tanks and green men from space.
Keep fucking that chicken, Goyer.
Edit: I'd argue that She Hulk is the most empowered mainstream female superhero. Aside from Jean who is always dead, and Ororo. She's a single female lawyer for goodness sake.
bananafactory
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As soon as I saw David Goyer in the title I knew where this thread would be going.
Goyer probably hates the comic book nerd he used to be and the dude he grew up to be.
Can't seem to find an article a couple years-old at most where he was candidly explaining how hollywood writing often turns out to be so shitty through iterations asked for by marketting and execs. If someone could find that, that would be swell.
Plasticine
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Mark Millar is the worst.
WrenchNinja
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Bendis called Wonder Woman a syphilitic whore
Quesada called Superman and Batman a big c*** that can't get up
Rick Remender told fans to go drown in hobo piss
Quesada called Superman and Batman a big c*** that can't get up
Rick Remender told fans to go drown in hobo piss
crimsonspider89
Banned
Have you read the reason behind She Hulk looking the way she does? Gamma radiation brings out your subconcious mind or what dominates it. Samson loved heroes and became a superhero. Jen was mousy and shy so she became the super model type she always envied
And She Hulk in comics is more women empowering than anything.
That is the problem.
The comment of SHe Hulk is misogynist and sexist at its core.
KingofGourds
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No idea why this makes me as mad as it does.
Probably just because this guy is a hack getting paid huge sums of money and has his finger in so many comic-adaptation pies because he was fortunate enough to be writing his dogshit when the genre was basically a graveyard that only dogshit writers inhabited *just* at the time it blew up big time.
He's riding the wave and pissing on everyone from the crest.
Something something Salt something.
Probably just because this guy is a hack getting paid huge sums of money and has his finger in so many comic-adaptation pies because he was fortunate enough to be writing his dogshit when the genre was basically a graveyard that only dogshit writers inhabited *just* at the time it blew up big time.
He's riding the wave and pissing on everyone from the crest.
Something something Salt something.
You need to watch Justice League/Justice League Unlimited.
Unspeakable Evil
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SenorArdilla
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Goyer said:
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Pai Pai Master
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holy crap i'm so mad right now
Zeyphersan
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You don't get it. Yes, on a surface level, you are correct. Making female versions of male characters and expecting that to be good enough is wrong.
That last line is how I know you've never read a She-Hulk comic before, though. Or know anything about her character.
Doesn't cover a 10th of what makes MM so awesome. Read his solo series instead. It's only like 15 issues.
Funky Papa
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One more word and I will cut you.
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