dragonelite
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4k@30fps plz.
Or 1440p@60fps
Or 1440p@60fps
What's the next step for next-gen consoles - 1080p/60, 1440p, 4K?
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velociraptor
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I'd rather take 1440p@60 out of the two.
Resolution is becoming less and a less of a problem now.
1080p is simply the baseline. I'd rather 60FPS be the next big thing.
Sectorseven
Member
Depends how many years from now we're talking. 1440p should be achievable for at least some games next gen. We'll almost assuredly have better AA on 1080p games.
It's Sophie Turner (aka Sansa Stark on Game of Thrones)
According to MS, all games on XB1 are 1080p
He's not wrong, the signal going out over the HDMI cable is 1080p, but even so... LOL.
Rushersauce
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4k easily.... Remember stacked vram gpus will be available by 2016. Gpus will be around 12-16teraflops. And that's just 2 years after the current Gen of consoles launch. Imagine what 3-4 extra years could do.
Blackage
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Glorious Neogaf, already talking about the next-next-gen. 
I think after the start of this gen, assuming there is an actual next gen in 5-6 years and the market doesn't crash, they'll probably attempt to target a console that can pull off 4K.....Well Sony & Microsoft will, I don't know about Nintendo. I think the fact that a single 290X is out now and pulls off 4K @ 30ish FPS for like $599 is good, because that technology will almost certainly come down in price in 5-6 years.
Resolution maters, but you'll still end up getting predominantly 30FPS games. I don't think 30FPS is going anywhere for AAA console games, it's here to stay for the most part. Unless a game's gameplay specifically calls for 60FPS, like a fighting game or competitive FPS, you're going to see 30FPS a lot this gen, and a lot for any coming gens, it's just too easy to make your game look amazing and cut the fps in half for special effects, particle effects, etc. The fact of the matter is, the vast of majority of gamers don't care, and those that do aren't as relevant as those that buy said games regardless. 60 FPS is going to remain an exclusive pull/experience for the PC for a while, assuming you can afford to keep up with upgrades.
I think after the start of this gen, assuming there is an actual next gen in 5-6 years and the market doesn't crash, they'll probably attempt to target a console that can pull off 4K.....Well Sony & Microsoft will, I don't know about Nintendo. I think the fact that a single 290X is out now and pulls off 4K @ 30ish FPS for like $599 is good, because that technology will almost certainly come down in price in 5-6 years.
Resolution maters, but you'll still end up getting predominantly 30FPS games. I don't think 30FPS is going anywhere for AAA console games, it's here to stay for the most part. Unless a game's gameplay specifically calls for 60FPS, like a fighting game or competitive FPS, you're going to see 30FPS a lot this gen, and a lot for any coming gens, it's just too easy to make your game look amazing and cut the fps in half for special effects, particle effects, etc. The fact of the matter is, the vast of majority of gamers don't care, and those that do aren't as relevant as those that buy said games regardless. 60 FPS is going to remain an exclusive pull/experience for the PC for a while, assuming you can afford to keep up with upgrades.
We most definitely will see 4K resolutions should the console market continue its traditional generational updates.
Would developers pick 4K en masse though? Highly unlikely 5-6 years from now. You're looking at the majority of the next-gen computational upgrade being spent on the resolution if they do that.
But in reality, we don't know when, if or how next gen will come about. For example, should VR take off, you're looking at far more emphasis on resolution and FPS than otherwise. 4K is far more useful to VR than to a 50 inch TV. Over 60 FPS changes from something hardcore gamers care about on TV/monitors to an absolute necessity for everyone playing in VR.
Would developers pick 4K en masse though? Highly unlikely 5-6 years from now. You're looking at the majority of the next-gen computational upgrade being spent on the resolution if they do that.
But in reality, we don't know when, if or how next gen will come about. For example, should VR take off, you're looking at far more emphasis on resolution and FPS than otherwise. 4K is far more useful to VR than to a 50 inch TV. Over 60 FPS changes from something hardcore gamers care about on TV/monitors to an absolute necessity for everyone playing in VR.
So it is my mistake.
According to MS, all games on XB1 are 1080p
Wow. Quite impressive, although not surprising given M$FT's track record of pushing the envelope in the console biz.
Watch out.
dragonelite
Member
1080p also scales better to 4k if im not mistaken so yeah maybe 1080p@60fps might be better by using the extra performance for AA and AF.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
1080p with 4k on the back of the console box but never used except for nongaming things.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Apparently there is no scaling/loss in picture quality at all.
e.g. on a 50" 4k TV, 1080p will look the same as a 50" 1080p TV set.
I don't know if this is a fact but hopefully someone in this thread who has more knowledge on 4k can confirm.
1920x1080
3840x2160 is exactly double, so no scaling.
Apparently 1080p Blu-rays upscale beautifully on a 4K set.
I don't think console gaming can survive another long-gen.
I mean I hope to God it doesn't, especially for X1's sake but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
I remember arguing quite a few people that were dead convinced that the Ps4 and Xbone would not have more then 2.5 gigs of ram. Others that were convinced that we would see a wii type approach to the graphical leap of both consoles.
Long story short 5-7 years between now and the next consoles is a long time and to proclaim such a thing seems rather foolish.
Rushersauce
Banned
Guys saying that we will stay in 1080p are kind of delusional. There will be a huge jump (HUUUGE) in 2 more years regarding GPUs. We'll see a lot of improvements regarding APIs, too. So, guys, jump to the "beyond 1080p" train.
Hero_of_the_Day
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4K. By the time PS5 comes out, 4K gaming will be common on PC, guaranteed.
I expect that Sony will try to use the PS5 to push their 4K TV's.
In fact, I would imagine that they would prefer to wait to release the PS5 until they can make something capable of pushing 4K games at a reasonable cost.
1440p is never going to happen on home consoles. Console resolutions will follow TV resolutions.
In fact, I would imagine that they would prefer to wait to release the PS5 until they can make something capable of pushing 4K games at a reasonable cost.
1440p is never going to happen on home consoles. Console resolutions will follow TV resolutions.
Larogue
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You won't notice the sharpness of 4K until you go 60-Inch+ TV
This why 1080p blue-ray movies still look good on most 4K TVs cause unless you sit really close to the TV (Like a PC Monitor) you won't be able to distinguish 4K from a 1080p with a TV smaller than 60-Inch.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I know 4k looks better but I just wanted to be clear on whether 1080p looks the same on a 4k set as it does on a 1080p set.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Yeah, there absolutely won't be a single game next gen below 1080p. That would be insanity.
The hardcore PC gamers are already stepping into 4K gaming and this generation is just starting. In 5 years (the minimum time before next-gen would start) anyone building a gaming PC will be going for 4K. I think next-gen will be like this gen, only with 4K. Right now things are aiming for 1080p, but having to cut back a bit. Next gen they'll aim for 4K but probably cut it back a bit.
giancarlo123x
Banned
4k/30fps
Ha you expect 4K?
The current "gen" consoles can't even hit 1080p60 yet. They struggle to put out anything remotely different. I see 1080p 60 as MAYBE being constant unless the developers who seem to run the console manufacturers tell them they only want to add more effects.
And of course you'll have gamers making excuses for them then too, saying "don't say lazy dev" etc etc, and accepting half broken, half finished games while developers shit on them.
The current "gen" consoles can't even hit 1080p60 yet. They struggle to put out anything remotely different. I see 1080p 60 as MAYBE being constant unless the developers who seem to run the console manufacturers tell them they only want to add more effects.
And of course you'll have gamers making excuses for them then too, saying "don't say lazy dev" etc etc, and accepting half broken, half finished games while developers shit on them.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Generation is still early. And, anything could run at 1080p60 now, developers are choosing not to for the sake of more eye candy. If next-gen isn't aiming for 4K it will be massively behind PCs from the start (unlike now where they are only kind of behind modern gaming PCs).
1080p. TV sales have slowed and 4k isn't going to bring them back to what they were in the mid 2000s. I wouldn't be surprised if less people have 4k TV sets at the start of next gen when compared to 720/1080 sets at the start of last gen.
4k is going to be the PCs domain for a while.
4k is going to be the PCs domain for a while.
Giant Panda
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4K definitely is not worth the effort. 1080p should be sufficient for quite a while. Instead next generation consoles will focus their extra power on VR stuff, real-time lighting, and the need for less optimization which would result in more realistic budgets for games.
I suspect that next generation the consoles would have enough power to have graphics so good that most gamers would not be able to tell a difference if studios put more effort into improving graphics. Once this point is reached the new technology race will be to achieve these high-quality graphics cheaper and easier, and having extra power is actually helpful to achieving this goal.
I suspect that next generation the consoles would have enough power to have graphics so good that most gamers would not be able to tell a difference if studios put more effort into improving graphics. Once this point is reached the new technology race will be to achieve these high-quality graphics cheaper and easier, and having extra power is actually helpful to achieving this goal.
Wouldn't a 21:9 ratio be useless for most things though? As well as fuck up loads of content that doesn't use that ratio?
Can't see consumers flocking to it if so.
Sectorseven
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The biggest hurdle for 4K is not having a disc based medium for it yet. They're supposedly working on a 4K blu-ray for movies, but who knows if that has enough space for games. Some 1080p games this gen are already using close to 50GB.
My assumption: High-end gamers will be at 1440p, Enthusiasts will be at 4k, the majority will be at 1080p.
A lot of 1080p gamers will be converting to 1440p once cheaper monitors come out.
Phoenix
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While I'm sure you're joking, I think that Digital delivery is going to be the big thing for the next generation. The generation following that, I would expect the console to live more in the cloud than in the box as access to insane amounts of cloud computing will make it possible to deliver far better games economically than delivering it in the console itself.
joeygreco1985
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People said the same thing at the beginning of the last generation regarding 1080p (well on gamefaqs at least, a lot of Nintendo fans saying HD didn't matter for games and HDTVs were too expensive).
Then towards the end of the generation we clamored for 1080p as a standard. I think there's enough 4k TVs on the market that in 5-7 years time it will be the new standard. The prices will even out sooner than you think.
Why is this still in OT? GAF mods having a Sunday BBQ!
I don't know what's next but I still can't believe Microsoft didn't aim for 1080p like Sony did. Other than a couple of exceptions, every game has hit it's target on PS4. The heck were MS thinking when designing the XB1?
I don't know what's next but I still can't believe Microsoft didn't aim for 1080p like Sony did. Other than a couple of exceptions, every game has hit it's target on PS4. The heck were MS thinking when designing the XB1?
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That was going to be the big thing for this generation but there was that huge pushback against the XB1 when MS announced it, so you get your discs for another few years at least