What's the next step for next-gen consoles - 1080p/60, 1440p, 4K?

You want to see a bigger advance in visuals?

Stop increasing the resolution and let 1080p TV continue to be basis next 10 years.
 
Does anyone honestly think we will be getting a Playstation 5 and a successor to the Xbox One? Honestly, I think this is the last generation of consoles.

I can see Nintendo producing another console and handheld system, although I think the proliferation of streaming games is going to preclude the release of new hardware. Eventually, Playstation and Xbox will become service brands instead of hardware platforms, to which you subscribe and can access as plethora of games, movies, show, and music.

Physical media ---> software downloads ---> streaming. This has been the paradigm in both the movies and music industry. Netflix, Spotify, Pandora, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Rdio....all of the content is streamed.

Next up is games.
 
1080p60 and whatever the persistence level is for VR should be the focus. Do the cable companies even plan to broadcast anything in 4k? I'd imagine it'd take an some sort of infrastructure overhaul.
 
Probably a little early to say. No one knows how long this gen is going to last. I was still a sophomore in HS when last gen started. It feels like a lifetime ago and so many things have changed it's not even funny. There might not even be a next-gen.

Last gen was supposed to be the HD gen, yet we got loads and loads of sub-HD games with shit FPS. So far this gen 720p has been the minimum and FPS is mostly solid 30+ except for a few shit games like Dead Rising 3.

Personally I hope for a 1080p standard with locked 30fps as the minimum.
 
Cse said:
Does anyone honestly think we will be getting a Playstation 5 and a successor to the Xbox One? Honestly, I think this is the last generation of consoles.

I can see Nintendo producing another console and handheld system, although I think the proliferation of streaming games is going to preclude the release of new hardware. Eventually, Playstation and Xbox will become service brands instead of hardware platforms, to which you subscribe and can access as plethora of games, movies, show, and music.

Physical media ---> software downloads ---> streaming. This has been the paradigm in both the movies and music industry. Netflix, Spotify, Pandora, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Rdio....all of the content is streamed.

Next up is games.
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The ISP's probably have no intention of allowing your vision to happen. Or they would charge so much for it that it would cripple the industry. We will probably need some kind of physical media for a long time.
 
archnemesis said:
It will take a long time for 4K TVs to become standard and I don't expect consoles to make the transition before movies.

1920x1080 with more effects and better post-processing is more likely.
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No, it won't. 4K TVs are reaching mainstream affordability this year, by next I imagine almost any TV you buy over 40" will be 4K. 1080p will be phased out on all but the cheapest sets.

There's a reason Panasonic and others ceased Plasma production, 1080p isn't sticking around for much longer

Whether we will see 4K on the next consoles I don't know. Right now a single high end GPU on the PC side is able to run most games at 4K with 30 FPS, and I'd expect a new PS or Xbox console 5-6 years from now to at least match that.
 
IT would largely depend on how much tech progresses in the next 6-7 years, but I think it has made huge strides over the last gen of consoles, and the new consoles are barely scrapping by at 1080p. Even if they were 1440p, many people will have 4K TVs within the next 6-7 years, so it would have to get upscaled.
 
1080p with a ton of effects as 4k TVs won't be very common. I think people were mostly buying new TVs for the slim form factor and the larger size. 4k TVs don't really have as much pull, especially without 4k content, not to mention physical storage media slowly being phased out in favor of streaming/Dling. There isn't enough bandwidth to sustain 4k on TVs quite yet.

It's a good resolution for headsets too. And I don't quite think there will be quite a leap in power due to the shorter generation and even more rising dev costs.
 
Console games actually being 1080p/60FPS, I guess.

After that, it will probably make jumps to better resolutions (preferably 16:9 resolutions), but I really don't know, what to expect. 1080p might be enough anyways, well at least for me.

Edit: Also, the PC people are all about 120FPS and 120Hz monitors, so it could make an approach to that as well? Pure speculation, again.
 
If VR takes off, then I think a nice side effect of that is likely 4k support for TVs, simply because of the performance needed for VR. Plus decent 1080p stereoscopic support as standard.

Feeding that will be the bandwidth coming from stacked ram in the next couple of years. I'd expect this gen to be relatively short though, with the transition possibly being softened with forward/backward compatibility now that both Sony and MS are x86 based
 
ScepticMatt said:
You heard it here first:

Foveated rendering, VR or not. Allows for even 8k without performance issues.
Combined with that, real-time path tracing

Brigade 3 engine demo, running on one GeForce Titan graphics card right now
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Nuh-Uh

Hayssam Keilany said:
Using 2 GTX TITANs (Would be better if it was 780 Ti though ;) )
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Two. A single card is already ~2-3 PS4's.

Brigade is not an effective game engine on its own. The only way we'll get this in a game is if somebody bothered to integrate this API into an already existing engine. Unity? Not AAA. Cryengine? Not unless Crytek does it themselves. The only publicly available candidate really (i.e. indies, smaller devs) is UE4. Everything else would be behind the scenes deals.

Then devs would be stuck with proprietary OTOY technology. They'd have to rely on OTOY, kinda like the Euphoria situation. Almost everything would have to be custom tailored to their renderer and materials system, no falling back on rasterized work if things don't work out, unless they spent more time on a hybrid solution.

This doesn't even account for the fact that the game pretty much would have to be a cloud based game, unless it's a foveated VR experience.

EDIT: I see you posted this thread.

ScepticMatt said:
My opinion: Well, at least they are ambitious :)
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Why the sudden change of heart?
 
To keep up with PC's, I think consoles will have to be forced to 1080p60 for probably 5-10 more years.

Anything more than 1080p on consoles really is wasting resources imo. 1080p with some decent AA looks extremely clean on an HDTV. I say focus on that and keep framerates stable and go hard with effects/post processing.

Cause really, current gen consoles are already being beaten by mid range to enthusiast PC hardware..when the new architectures come, the gap is going to widen considerably.
 
Otakumegane said:
1080p with a ton of effects as 4k TVs won't be very common. I think people were mostly buying new TVs for the slim form factor and the larger size. 4k TVs don't really have as much pull, especially without 4k content, not to mention physical storage media slowly being phased out in favor of streaming/Dling. There isn't enough bandwidth to sustain 4k on TVs quite yet.

It's a good resolution for headsets too. And I don't quite think there will be quite a leap in power due to the shorter generation and even more rising dev costs.
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This is where I'm at. There is nothing driving 4K adoption, and the biggest factor (sports) is still being authored in 720p. That's on top of infrastructure woefully inadequate for the bandwidth demands of even low bitrate 4K sources.

In 5-6 years the next consoles will still be rendering games at 1080p because of this. This would be the first time that rendering resolution wouldn't go up, so that's a lot of spare power on hand.

Fake Edit: Oops, forgot one extra note. The power of next gen consoles will rely on how powerful and efficient the GPUs are at that time. None of the big three are keen on power hungry, blast furnaces in their gaming boxes.
 
I really dont see the point in 4k for everyday gaming. How much larger are tv sets going to be to justify 4k resolutions. I already have an 55" TV and that is almost too large for my living room. Imo 1028p is totally fine for most living room tvs....or am i missing something?
 
I think the further up we get, the lest 1080p games we are getting to see this current gen.

Return of the pre-720p games? Hope not.
 
cutthroat_cupcake said:
I really dont see the point in 4k for everyday gaming. How much larger are tv sets going to be to justify 4k resolutions. I already have an 55" TV and that is almost too large for my living room. Imo 1028p is totally fine for most living room tvs....or am i missing something?
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I see a difference playing games in 4K on my 55" at even 9 feet away. I'd say 12 feet is where it becomes hard to discern the difference, but a 55" at 12 feet would be too small anyway. At 5-6 feet, my normal viewing distance, it's a huge difference.
 
1080p, there's no chance of QHD having home penetration, and widespread 4k is just too far off. It's kind of pointless anyway, slap 4xMSAA at 1080p on everything and no one is going to be craving better IQ.
 
cutthroat_cupcake said:
I really dont see the point in 4k for everyday gaming. How much larger are tv sets going to be to justify 4k resolutions. I already have an 55" TV and that is almost too large for my living room. Imo 1028p is totally fine for most living room tvs....or am i missing something?
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Up until now larger TV's have been an easy selling point, but resolution increase wouldn't necessarily need larger screens. 4k 55" is waaaaayyy better than 1080p 55".
 
I don't expect 4K expect they can find enough power at a good price for components in order to make consoles at a good price with minimal losses but it will probably lead to having more 1080p 60fps titles than now because with more power most devs will go with more effects first. 1440p probably not because majority natively play on TVs which don't do 1440p iirc but I guess that could be the rendering resolution then downscaled to 1080p?
 
Shiina said:
1080/60



That's what they're doing right now. Instead of getting 1080/60 they're giving us, err, more particles?
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Hopefully! I want more particles next gen and don't care about resolution and frame rate. Nothing looks more real just because it is super sharp. Lighting and amount of detail makes things look real.
 
4K VR @120hz with variable refresh rate support is where I'd like us to be but expect that's 2 or 3 generations away on the console side, sadly. We should hopefully be there much sooner on the PC side of things.

At the very least I hope that MS have learned their lesson this generation and won't release a gimped console again.
 
archnemesis said:
1920x1080 with more effects and better post-processing is more likely.
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This. While games on the X1/PS4 will get better and tricks will be found to extract more from the consoles, from the get go, both were not cutting edge when released. 4k for a home console is not going to happen for a long time unless Sony or MS release a $1500 console in 5 years or so. Right now, I personally have 2 GTX Titan's paired with a I7-3930x CPU, approximately $2500.00 alone for those 3 parts and I cannot max out games at 4k and hit 60fps consistently with every game. So to expect a home console to do this, even in 5 years is asking a lot.

While this may sound controversial, I do wish that MS and Sony would release a "PRO" version of the PS4/Xbox One. Make it to where it is only available by ordering directly from Sony or MS. They would basically be the same exact system, except for more powerful CPU/GPU and perhaps 4 additional gigs of RAM to help handle the extra memory that AA needs. Games would be like PC games and if it detects a "PRO" version it will play at 1080p/60fps, aggressive AA/AF and other tricks to give it great IQ. I know this would never happen, but playing Watch Dogs on both PS4/Xbox 1 and then playing it on a PC at 60fps and greatly improved AA is something else. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the game on console and I game more on my consoles, but I really wish that MS and Sony made a little more powerful consoles. If Sony added $100.00 to the retail of the current PS4, I wonder how much more GPU/GPU & Memory would we have had if it was $499.99 vs. $399.99?

Again, all wishful thinking and dreaming out loud. The PS4/X1 is what it is and all we can hope for is better dev. tools and as programmers get more time with them then things will get better. Will we ever get a game like Watchdogs at 1080p/60fps on the PS4/X1, I seriously doubt it, without some sacrafices (smaller city, less foliage and environmental structures etc.).

But just for shits and giggles, if MS or Sony where to make a "PRO" system for enthusiasts, how much would you guys be willing to spend on it?
 
Personally i'm fine with 1080p/30 for the foreseeable future. Can't imagine 4K taking off next gen, so maybe 1440p/60 fps. But with each gen, the visual fidelity will increase so developers will always make trade offs.
 
The next console cycle will be limited to TV. 1080p is here to stay for a while. The jump to HD was a really long time coming. Hopefully the manufactures of the next generation's hardware actually imagine playing content in 1080p and above.
 
The focus will be 1080/60 for a long time on consoles. It is reachable, even launch games have it. its just that some developers focus on graphics over frames per second or take longer to get used to programming for the new systems.

4k won't be widely adopted even by the end of current gen I think. I personally think we will be looking at a Wii type situation where 4K is only widely adopted half way through NEXT gen (as in Xbox Two and PS5). Probably looking at 1440p 30/60 fps next gen. Possibly with more focus on VR if it takes off current gen when Oculus and Morpheus come out.
 
Next gen will still be 1080p*. 4K is way to big of a jump in resolution for console hardware to be able to follow. Also it will take some time for the market to switch to 4K TVs by default.

* - arguably, this gen isn't 1080p. With the exception of PS4, all consoles are struggling to get there.
 
Next PS5/Xbox Two will probably go for 1080p as a standard.

Vashetti said:
So all three current-gen consoles have released - Wii U, PS4 and XB1, and we're seeing resolutions of 720p, 792p, 900p, 1080p, etc., with 1080p/60fps being the ceiling.
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1080p60fps isn't the ceiling though, see the Lego games on PS4.
 
Next gen should be more about the new experiences, IP's and different take on more ideas to move gaming but not Resolutions and FPS.
 
Better graphics (1080p is all I need), better physics, better lighting, better animations, better AI, better scripts, better acting and better story.
 
StuBurns said:
1080p, there's no chance of QHD having home penetration, and widespread 4k is just too far off. It's kind of pointless anyway, slap 4xMSAA at 1080p on everything and no one is going to be craving better IQ.
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Yep.

I honestly feel 4k = diminishing returns. As long as the base IQ is good, there is no need for 4k. I'd rather the extra processing power be spent to make the game actually look good, and to run at 60FPS.

1080p60 4xMSAA = massive leap in graphics > 4k30 = small leap in graphics
 
dr_rus said:
Next gen will still be 1080p*. 4K is way to big of a jump in resolution for console hardware to be able to follow. Also it will take some time for the market to switch to 4K TVs by default.

* - arguably, this gen isn't 1080p. With the exception of PS4, all consoles are struggling to get there.
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You're putting the cart before the horse here. Sony isn't going to wait until 4K TV's are mainstream to release a 4K console. They're going to put out a 4K console in order to sell 4K TV's and bring them into the mainstream.
 
Phoenix said:
While I'm sure you're joking, I think that Digital delivery is going to be the big thing for the next generation. The generation following that, I would expect the console to live more in the cloud than in the box as access to insane amounts of cloud computing will make it possible to deliver far better games economically than delivering it in the console itself.
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Please tell me you don't believe this BS? Cloud computing, maybe for the AI stuff, but not for processing. No way, maybe it'll gain traction when it comes to PlayStation Now, but there's no way console makers will offset the chunk of the processing to an ever fluctuating internet speed.
 
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