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Well this is bullshit, it turns out that the Sony 4K TVs do NOT support Impulse when in Game Mode. Only the 1080p sets like that W850A I returned do!

Now I have to decide if I really want to keep the X900A or not, not having Impulse when in Game Mode is a real killer. Naturally input lag is unplayable in all other settings besides Game Mode, that's retarded and what the hell were Sony thinking not including the Impulse in Game Mode on their $7000 flagship?
 
Not the ideal place for this but I couldn't find anywhere suitable in the OT community and I figure some of you guys will know about this sort of stuff - are there any sites that compare all the various releases of individual blu rays?

For example - everyone says Gladiator is a great piece to show off your TV but I hear there was an earlier release that didn't look so hot and another master released later on that looks fantastic. How do I know which to look for on Amazon?

Similarly, I was looking at grabbing the Paranorman combi pack which contains the 3D blu ray, 2D blu ray and DVD version across 2 discs according to Amazon. I then noticed that for £1 more I can get a double pack with Corraline but this whole release is still only spread across 2 discs. Would the double pack suffer any loss in picture quality as they're squeezing twice as much content onto the 2 discs? Sorry if that's a daft question but I'm not too familiar with how this all works

Seems like every time it look for a blu ray there are several versions to choose from and now these 4K remasters are popping up to confuse me further! Just wondering if there is anywhere dedicated to this issue to help with my purchase decisions. Thanks
 
chunk3rvd said:
Not the ideal place for this but I couldn't find anywhere suitable in the OT community and I figure some of you guys will know about this sort of stuff - are there any sites that compare all the various releases of individual blu rays?

For example - everyone says Gladiator is a great piece to show off your TV but I hear there was an earlier release that didn't look so hot and another master released later on that looks fantastic. How do I know which to look for on Amazon?

Similarly, I was looking at grabbing the Paranorman combi pack which contains the 3D blu ray, 2D blu ray and DVD version across 2 discs according to Amazon. I then noticed that for £1 more I can get a double pack with Corraline but this whole release is still only spread across 2 discs. Would the double pack suffer any loss in picture quality as they're squeezing twice as much content onto the 2 discs? Sorry if that's a daft question but I'm not too familiar with how this all works

Seems like every time it look for a blu ray there are several versions to choose from and now these 4K remasters are popping up to confuse me further! Just wondering if there is anywhere dedicated to this issue to help with my purchase decisions. Thanks
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http://www.blu-ray.com is a good start. The Paranorman combi pack got 1 DVD disc and 1 BD disc with both the 2D and 3D version on it. The Coraline/Paranorman pack got 2 BD discs, one for each movie and no DVD copies.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Well this is bullshit, it turns out that the Sony 4K TVs do NOT support Impulse when in Game Mode. Only the 1080p sets like that W850A I returned do!

Now I have to decide if I really want to keep the X900A or not, not having Impulse when in Game Mode is a real killer. Naturally input lag is unplayable in all other settings besides Game Mode, that's retarded and what the hell were Sony thinking not including the Impulse in Game Mode on their $7000 flagship?
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Can you not make a custom user mode? Basically turn all image processing off and turn on impulse.
 
Dead said:
Custom mode on general scene settings maybe?
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Hmm, no love. General - Custom doesn't let you turn "Display Speed Preference" on which is that activates the Game Mode optimizations.

In general, "Display Speed Preference" is always greyed out on all Scene Select settings, and it's always off except when you choose Game Mode.

Normally I like how you have the ability to customize the all the options on Sony TVs even in Game Mode but they really dropped the ball here by leaving out Impulse support. Maybe they think the people who are buying these 4K TVs aren't gamers, that would certainly be a big mistake. Especially in my case where I'm buying the TV because of how good the panel is, and as LED-sidelit LCDs go this particular TV has an absolutely fabulous one with amazingly deep (for LCD) blacks, super-high contrast ratio, and explosive colors thanks to the TRILUMINOS Quantum LED whatsits. But games just dissolve into a big blur without any kind of motion assist. :(
 
I came on my w900 just fine without impulse. But I suppose the 240 panel helps in that case?

Either way it's strange that Impulse isn't available on 4K sets. The same is true for 2014 models too apparently. It's a shame as the setting is way improved on the 900B and 950B...
 
My room is too small for a big TV so I bought a Toshiba 32L2400U a few days ago during a sale. So far I've been very impressed.
 
Dead said:
I came on my w900 just fine without impulse. But I suppose the 240 panel helps in that case?

Either way it's strange that Impulse isn't available on 4K sets. The same is true for 2014 models too apparently. It's a shame as the setting is way improved on the 900B and 950B...
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The picture is WAY to dark with impulse on my w900a
 
kakashi08 said:
Umm, why did you return your w850a in the first place? I got that, its amazing.
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The Impulse feature and other image processing features are amazing on the W850A. The quality of the panel and basic picture quality however are not. The X900A's basic picture quality is in a whole different galaxy compared to the W850A in every measurement. My W850A's panel had so many problems, plus it wasn't even that great a panel even if it didn't have those problems. If only the X900A had Impulse in Game Mode, it would literally be the perfect TV for mixed usage but I guess if Sony really made a perfect TV they would never sell another one ever again so that can't be allowed to happen.
 
Benzychenz said:
Is burn in a problem these days? Buying that Sony 50" within the next couple days and I'd hate to get as Estus Flask stuck in the corner lol.
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Burn in (which is commonly image retention that can be fixed) is only a concern with plasmas. LED/LCDs don't have that potential concern.
 
I'm definitely planning on buying a 65" set in the coming months, I'm seriously considering the Sony 65X900B, as there are no realistic 1080p options from Sony in this size, and the X950 is unjustifiable right now. However Ive started to come around on a few Samsung models, they just so happen to be curved, but I guess I can live with that...

I think I've written off the HU9000 due to the supposed extremely high lag, despite the extremely good upscaling, so I'm interested in learning a bit more about the 65H8000, so I'd be dropping 4K and going for 1080p if I go with Samsung (tho would gain a higher native refresh panel...)

Problem is that there doesn't seem to be a single US pro review of this set, only UK ones, and the Euro models actually lack hardware based local dimming, unlike the US set which has it, which makes any review for the set found online to totally irrelevant to anyone in the US...So basically, has anyone here bought a US Samsung H8000 model and have any thoughts?
 
gameoverbro said:
I have a bravia kdl w900a, anyone here with some good gaming settings they might want to share?
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I own the W905 which is the UK version, for gaming on the PS4 I use the following settings.

Scene select Game, Backlight 5, Contrast 90, Brightness 49, Colour 58, Hue 0, Colour temp Warm 1, Sharpness 50. For the lowest input lag all other settings should be set to OFF.

You can also try setting the backlight to maximum and engaging Impulse mode which many owners of this TV prefer for gaming, try it yourself and see what is best for you.
 
Hey all.

For those of you with the Sony W829 series or similar, is there a massive difference between Motionflow Impulse and Clear Plus?

From what I read they should both give full Plasma-style 1080 motion resolution, but Clear Plus adds a tiny amount of visual artifacts with better brightness levels, is that about right?

Not sure if Clear Plus is usable for gaming or not?
 
ajlian said:
I own the W905 which is the UK version, for gaming on the PS4 I use the following settings.

Scene select Game, Backlight 5, Contrast 90, Brightness 49, Colour 58, Hue 0, Colour temp Warm 1, Sharpness 50. For the lowest input lag all other settings should be set to OFF.

You can also try setting the backlight to maximum and engaging Impulse mode which many owners of this TV prefer for gaming, try it yourself and see what is best for you.
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I find Impulse works best with content running at 60 fps - any lower and you see ghosting. Something you can do is use the two different settings options under Game (on the W90x) - they are called Standard and Original, but you can customise them to be whatever you like. I normally set one to have Motionflow disabled, with a backlight setting of 1, and the other has Impulse with the backlight set to 7 or 8, to compensate for the darker image. This way you can easily switch between them depending on the frame rate of the content - I have been playing Guacamelee and Wolfenstein recently using Impulse and they look awesome...

Otherwise for settings I use the defaults, with colour set to Warm2, and all processing options turned off!
 
general_garcia said:
Hey all.

For those of you with the Sony W829 series or similar, is there a massive difference between Motionflow Impulse and Clear Plus?

From what I read they should both give full Plasma-style 1080 motion resolution, but Clear Plus adds a tiny amount of visual artifacts with better brightness levels, is that about right?

Not sure if Clear Plus is usable for gaming or not?
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Clear Plus is not available in Game Mode, and using anything which isn't Game Mode for gaming will give you unplayable input lag.

Clear Plus is a combination of BFI (Black Frame Insertion) and MCFI (Motion Compensated Frame Interpolation) anyways, you don't want any interpolation going on for gaming. Use Game Mode + Impulse.
 
Anyone closely watch the TV industry? Am wondering when we might be able to expect 50-60 inch 4k OLEDS at around $4k? I know its a pretty specific question but damn... it feels like OLED has been hyped since 2007 and there are only a handful of models available right now correct?
 
VIZIO any good for gaming? I'm trynna get a new TV for my room and I'm stuck on whether to get the 50" 4K P series at $999 or the 55" 1080 M series at $899

I would go Sony or Samsung but I'm a college student and I ain't trynna go way over my budget.
 
BabyFaceKillah said:
VIZIO any good for gaming? I'm trynna get a new TV for my room and I'm stuck on whether to get the 50" 4K P series at $999 or the 55" 1080 M series at $899

I would go Sony or Samsung but in a college student and I ain't trynna go way over my budget.
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Just got a 60 M series yesterday and so far I like it. I have only played a couple of games of titanfall and Bf4 on it but it looks pretty good after about 90 minutes of calibration. The only problem I have noticed is the active LED zones are noticeable when a game goes from a bright screen to a black menu. There is a ramp down time. Not a deal breaker but still noticeable.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Clear Plus is not available in Game Mode, and using anything which isn't Game Mode for gaming will give you unplayable input lag.

Clear Plus is a combination of BFI (Black Frame Insertion) and MCFI (Motion Compensated Frame Interpolation) anyways, you don't want any interpolation going on for gaming. Use Game Mode + Impulse.
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Ah ok, thanks for the info. I tried out Impulse mode in a store today and it seemed almost unusably dark (even with backlight on max), although that might just be the brightness of the environment.

Kind of annoyed I missed all the Panasonic Plasmas since they're getting unfeasibly expensive to find a new model now in the UK, looking for the next best alternative.
 
Kambing said:
Anyone closely watch the TV industry? Am wondering when we might be able to expect 50-60 inch 4k OLEDS at around $4k? I know its a pretty specific question but damn... it feels like OLED has been hyped since 2007 and there are only a handful of models available right now correct?
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oled has been releasing every two years since about 2006. progress on the tech has been slow and manufacturing costs are still an issue. weve just hit the point now where oled TV's are a specialty item much like the early years of plasma. however after the HD changeover companies have been desperately trying to drive tv sales. this is a huge problem, as they've opted to go for the ultra low cost with a gimmick(3D/4K) approach. OLED cant compete and as a result the future for the tech is looking dim.

so a 4K OLED? sure well see one soon but the cost wont be anywhere near $4k for a long time unless theres a manufacturing miracle that makes OLED as cheap as lcd. Many will argue OLED will never be a thing unless that miracle happens.

a tvs main purpose is to display a high quality picture, its incredibly sad that bullet point is now last on the list when it comes to todays market. weve been moving backward since crt died.
 
Kambing said:
Anyone closely watch the TV industry? Am wondering when we might be able to expect 50-60 inch 4k OLEDS at around $4k? I know its a pretty specific question but damn... it feels like OLED has been hyped since 2007 and there are only a handful of models available right now correct?
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And do not forget they're not ready for market due to different (and short) LED subpixel lifespans that go as low as 12.000 hours to half life. that's really short btw.

The middleterm solution all-white OLED screen+color filters (WOLED-CF aka White OLED-Color Filter) has been patented to the roof by Kodak years ago... and LG bought all those patents.

... And is not willing to license them at a good price for it's competitors.

So yeah, OLED is at this point that thing that could be huge, but has problems and LG will be in the forefront for a while not because they rock but because they bought someone else's early patents on the tech meaning no one can take a stab at it. Patent system is doing more wrong than right at this point, one thing would be Kodak wanting to use their patents, other is this.

Of course, WOLED can be bested because it's not as "self-emitting" as plasma or OLED (color filter means it has a brightness limit where it can be calibrated on, just like LCD's), but we know how those two "alternatives" are faring.


It sucks.
kakashi08 said:
Umm, why did you return your w850a in the first place? I got that, its amazing.
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IPS panel?

Not amazing, no.
 
So I'm looking for a 40 inch tv to be used mostly for gaming and the occasional blu-ray. Is the Sony KDL40W600B my best option or are there other tv's I should consider in that range? Does anyone have personal experience with this tv? Any input would be appreciated.
 
Ah i see... thanks for the response guys.

It seems that following Crownjo's link does lead to a WOLED being priced at $5000, which may not be all too bad if prices can come down. Hopefully it fairs well in handling motion and has a low input lag. Really, i am just itching to upgrade from my Kuro 500m. Would love to have a TV that does not heat up the room (lol, no joke) that is also larger. Until there is a TV better than my kuro, i will not be upgrading.

Really hoping LG can pave the way for larger and more affordable WOLED TV's.
 
Well when I saw professional I mean best buy "professional". Wondering what the consensus is for calibration. I tend to have a personal preference of a brighter color spectrum, but I was watching a movie on a calibrated tv at a family members house the other week and it looked pretty good: granted his tv is a pano 65VT60. So now I'm rethinking whether I should get my tv (a month old) calibrated.

My TV: Sony XBR65X850A.
 
mcfrank said:
Just got a 60 M series yesterday and so far I like it. I have only played a couple of games of titanfall and Bf4 on it but it looks pretty good after about 90 minutes of calibration. The only problem I have noticed is the active LED zones are noticeable when a game goes from a bright screen to a black menu. There is a ramp down time. Not a deal breaker but still noticeable.
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Over on AVSForum the E series has input lag numbers from 26ms to 46ms. The Active Dimming seems to be the culprit. Disable that to get the best performance out of the panel.
 
Agent86 said:
Over on AVSForum the E series has input lag numbers from 26ms to 46ms. The Active Dimming seems to be the culprit. Disable that to get the best performance out of the panel.
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I'll run some comparisons tomorrow and see how it feels. Thanks for the tip.
 
ajlian said:
I own the W905 which is the UK version, for gaming on the PS4 I use the following settings.

Scene select Game, Backlight 5, Contrast 90, Brightness 49, Colour 58, Hue 0, Colour temp Warm 1, Sharpness 50. For the lowest input lag all other settings should be set to OFF.

You can also try setting the backlight to maximum and engaging Impulse mode which many owners of this TV prefer for gaming, try it yourself and see what is best for you.
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Awesome and thanks. I'll give these a try.
 
mcfrank said:
Just got a 60 M series yesterday and so far I like it. I have only played a couple of games of titanfall and Bf4 on it but it looks pretty good after about 90 minutes of calibration. The only problem I have noticed is the active LED zones are noticeable when a game goes from a bright screen to a black menu. There is a ramp down time. Not a deal breaker but still noticeable.
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i might just go with the M series then since 4K hasn't really taken off yet, hopefully they go on sale on black friday.
 
lostinblue said:
IPS panel?

Not amazing, no.
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W850A is an MVA panel I believe but it's not a very good one, I don't know who manufactures it. The X900A is apparently an AU Optronics 10-bit S-PVA panel. This is all academic, all I can say is that the panel on the X900A is way better than the one on the W850A. But where's my Impulse mode, Sony??
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Clear Plus is not available in Game Mode, and using anything which isn't Game Mode for gaming will give you unplayable input lag.

Clear Plus is a combination of BFI (Black Frame Insertion) and MCFI (Motion Compensated Frame Interpolation) anyways, you don't want any interpolation going on for gaming. Use Game Mode + Impulse.
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In 50+ " versions do you have impulse mode strobbing at 60 hz or 120 Hz ?
 
Dead said:
I'm definitely planning on buying a 65" set in the coming months, I'm seriously considering the Sony 65X900B, as there are no realistic 1080p options from Sony in this size, and the X950 is unjustifiable right now. However Ive started to come around on a few Samsung models, they just so happen to be curved, but I guess I can live with that...

I think I've written off the HU9000 due to the supposed extremely high lag, despite the extremely good upscaling, so I'm interested in learning a bit more about the 65H8000, so I'd be dropping 4K and going for 1080p if I go with Samsung (tho would gain a higher native refresh panel...)

Problem is that there doesn't seem to be a single US pro review of this set, only UK ones, and the Euro models actually lack hardware based local dimming, unlike the US set which has it, which makes any review for the set found online to totally irrelevant to anyone in the US...So basically, has anyone here bought a US Samsung H8000 model and have any thoughts?
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Yes I have the 65h8000, had it ISF calibrated by D-Nice , movie mode and pc
Mode (mainly use tv for games). Here is a little of what I have to say about it, keep in mind I previously had the Pioneer Pro-101 sig elite and still have pro-1150 kuro.

I purchased the 65H8000 this past weekend mainly for games. I was worried about the input lag. I happen to also own the LEO BODNAR input lag tester. With the Firmware 1120 ( which is what the tv was at when I got it) the Game mode was getting 48ms, which is beyond the threshold that I can feel. I personally start to feel input lag with tv/monitors over 40ms. IN PC mode the tv was getting very eradic numbers, but they were from 48-68ms which is way too high for me.

So I had read reviews of the 55 inch version getting 35ms. I figured because this tv is the 65 inch larger version that is why the lag was higher. I updated the firmware last nite to 1130. Then retried with the Leo Bodnar device. Game mode was now getting 38 ms and this was with Smart LED on low, not bad!

Then I tried PC mode because you get 4:4:4 chroma and I prefer that for games. It is now getting 35.4ms!!!

So those thinking on getting the 55 because it has less lag, now you don't have to worry about getting the larger 65 as it has the same input lag numbers. Very happy with this!

Also, for reference I also have the Samsung 55F7100 that D-Nice ISF calibrated, this tv has 40MS of input lag in Game or PC mode. I would without a doubt say the H8000 is a much better panel then the F7100 in all respects. The H8000's must have a totally new panel, because even at 6 backlight, its way brighter then the F7100 at 6 backlight.

DSE on the 65h8000 is less then the sony hx909 I had previously and the pro101. Band is significantly less then the hx909 but there still is some slight banding on sky backgrounds, matter if fact I really cant see banding on the set but with forza 5, I think it has to do with the color of the sky in that game, especially on Nurbergring .

Color is fantastic, the panel is made by samsung and not aou. D-Nice helped samsung with their colors on these last year before they went into production. It really is a nice set, especially for games, the curve is more noticable in games , in a very positive way.

Any questions please ask!
 
Anyone have experience with curved TV's for gaming? (Don't have time to read through 150 pages)

Samsung are replacing my less than a year old 55" with a 55" curved 8 series as they no longer stock my model.

I understand that the curved models have depth enhancement etc etc however I will no doubt be turning all that shit off when gaming.
 
G_Berry said:
Anyone have experience with curved TV's for gaming? (Don't have time to read through 150 pages)

Samsung are replacing my less than a year old 55" with a 55" curved 8 series as they no longer stock my model.

I understand that the curved models have depth enhancement etc etc however I will no doubt be turning all that shit off when gaming.
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Please read post right above yours ;)
 
Blackvette94 said:
Yes I have the 65h8000, had it ISF calibrated by D-Nice , movie mode and pc
Mode (mainly use tv for games). Here is a little of what I have to say about it, keep in mind I previously had the Pioneer Pro-101 sig elite and still have pro-1150 kuro.

I purchased the 65H8000 this past weekend mainly for games. I was worried about the input lag. I happen to also own the LEO BODNAR input lag tester. With the Firmware 1120 ( which is what the tv was at when I got it) the Game mode was getting 48ms, which is beyond the threshold that I can feel. I personally start to feel input lag with tv/monitors over 40ms. IN PC mode the tv was getting very eradic numbers, but they were from 48-68ms which is way too high for me.

So I had read reviews of the 55 inch version getting 35ms. I figured because this tv is the 65 inch larger version that is why the lag was higher. I updated the firmware last nite to 1130. Then retried with the Leo Bodnar device. Game mode was now getting 38 ms and this was with Smart LED on low, not bad!

Then I tried PC mode because you get 4:4:4 chroma and I prefer that for games. It is now getting 35.4ms!!!

So those thinking on getting the 55 because it has less lag, now you don't have to worry about getting the larger 65 as it has the same input lag numbers. Very happy with this!

Also, for reference I also have the Samsung 55F7100 that D-Nice ISF calibrated, this tv has 40MS of input lag in Game or PC mode. I would without a doubt say the H8000 is a much better panel then the F7100 in all respects. The H8000's must have a totally new panel, because even at 6 backlight, its way brighter then the F7100 at 6 backlight.

DSE on the 65h8000 is less then the sony hx909 I had previously and the pro101. Band is significantly less then the hx909 but there still is some slight banding on sky backgrounds, matter if fact I really cant see banding on the set but with forza 5, I think it has to do with the color of the sky in that game, especially on Nurbergring .

Color is fantastic, the panel is made by samsung and not aou. D-Nice helped samsung with their colors on these last year before they went into production. It really is a nice set, especially for games, the curve is more noticable in games , in a very positive way.

Any questions please ask!
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How are blacks, shadow detail and overall contrast?

I'm wondering if the H8000 is not as good as the 9000 in terms of all that, just like how last year the Sony W900 was essentially as good as their X900, just sans 4K.
 
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