speculawyer
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Well . . . this might not be such a great thing if you like the huge AAA games like Destiny, CoD, GTA, Madden, etc. The budgets might have to shrink.
"PC is decimating console, just through price" - Romero
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I'm talking about third party games in general. 4 separate consoles are each selling at or more then the entire PC market for Ubisoft.
Didn't quite work out for RTS or MMOs.
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This is such an amazing post.
Mobius and pet octopus
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One of the first f2ps I played was battlefield heroes by EA.
Now Valve has DOTA2 and TF2 and Blizzard has Hearthstone and soon heroes of the storm. Also valve has a F2P version of CS for asia and even activision has a f2p version of COD for asia.
We also have publishers like nexon and tencent becoming big because of f2p revenue.
Crimsonclaw111
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Right right. I was more pointing out that his logic is bullshit.
The biggest number I can find is 3.3 million concurrent players for CoD, which was for MW3 and is still below the playerbase of LoL.
But you can tell from his posts it doesn't matter.
MrCunningham
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I think he meant "we" as in collectivly, includding himself with the rest of the shareware scene. Though Romero has been making shareware games since the Apple ][ days, so maybe he does consider himself to be one the the pioneers in the field?
But yeah, he hardly created the shareware model. id did break new ground in Shareware with Commander Keen though, as it hit a new water mark for how many copied it sold. And Wolf 3D and Doom just kept breaking those records.
Abinash117
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By revenue and the number of people playing it is on PC . There hasn't been a chart that compares the traditional price games like most AAA multiplatform games , traditional priced indie games , F2P games, and subs mmos. But when I look at revenue of sub MMOs and F2P games the make a ton of money and get tons of people playing them far more than indie and traditional price AAA or mid tier games.
Bucket-o-roadkill
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..What?
What wrestling shows do you watch where they run promos on shareware and consoles?! Seriously, pretty bizarre comment. lol
maneil99
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I'm talking about third party games in general. 4 separate consoles are each selling at or more then the entire PC market for Ubisoft.
Yup, most multiplat games seem to have PC as their lowest platform last (Unless Wii-U is involved) when they give proper releases with PC digital sales. LoL, WoW and Dota make the revenue alot bigger then the relevant 3rd party market, and 3rd parties know that. The F2P market is already begining to kill companies and games. If you can't compete with LoL/Dota then don't. Players are less likely to spend $ on a F2P game that might die in the near future, people already got burned by games like Tribes and others. The market can't support infinite F2P games.
Those type of games don't sell best on PC - no. But those games aren't the most popular games on the PC - it doesn't really make sense to judge the games sales like this.
Console games sell better on consoles: shocker. Try comparing to the actually successful PC games - none of these console ports are anywhere near the most popular on the platform.
Crimsonclaw111
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Great pick, a developer known for treating a platform like shit and using awful DRM that actively inhibits sales and likely increases piracy.I'm talking about third party games in general. 4 separate consoles are each selling at or more then the entire PC market for Ubisoft.
They should be happy with what they earn given what they put legitimate customers through.
Sentenza
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I'm talking about third party games in general. 4 separate consoles are each selling at or more then the entire PC market for Ubisoft.
Oh God, I could see this coming from a mile away on that: "Hey, let's take as an example the single publisher who's less successful on the PC market. This will give us all a fair picture of PC's relevance".
1st Course
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That was actually unique daily players. Concurrent for MW3 was 1.3m
http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=625788
TrafalgarLaw
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But he conveniently fails to mention the entry prices and how a single GPU can cost as much a PS4. But tell more about how Mega Textures worked out for you.
maneil99
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What type? AAA Ubisoft games that major publishers make? Lol...
Battlefield 3 sold the worse on PC aswell
http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20111103/battlefield-3-sales-xbox-360-vs-ps3/
Bucket-o-roadkill
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Fucking amazing. There are people living on the planet right now who actually think this.
Jesus Christ, the ignorance, it hurts.
maneil99
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He's a troll
Crimsonclaw111
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Thank you, that clears things up a bit.
I certainly don't think EA is going to change how it handles F2P. While technically free to play, I think how Valve relies on a crafting/auction monetization model is clearly separable from the vast majority of F2P gaming being discussed (energy, consumables), but if EA and other big publishers could make that avenue work, the stigma would be gone.
Yes? None of these console ports are the most popular games on the PC platform - seriously. Look at the steam top 10, there is one game you could put among the AAA big publisher games, which is Skyrim.
People seem to struggle with this idea, console ports aren't the most successful games on PC. Far from it.
Guardian Monkey
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I didn't even know there were hundreds of aaa studios? Also who makes this so called free to play games, it can't be studios can it?
I like my trolls more obvious. Some Poe's law going on in here.
It's very hard to have this discussion without first talking about price/cost of platform choice. Early adopters are a small percentage of console sales over a platforms lifespan, when the consoles are at their most expensive. Most of the sales come when the console drops to around the $300 and under level. Where can you get a PC that can play the same variety of games that a console can for that price? Six months after you buy that PC, you're already probably thinking about upgrading certain aspects of your rig, which add considerable costs to the already steep entry level price. If the counter argument to that is higher game costs on consoles, and I'd argue that PS+ and Xbox Live have really turned things around the last few years on that front.
I've always found the conversation a little odd, seeing as how the PC "master race" loves their arrogant position atop their ivory towers. Price really does factor in a lot more than most people having these conversations tend to mention, and therefore it's hard to take them seriously.
I've always found the conversation a little odd, seeing as how the PC "master race" loves their arrogant position atop their ivory towers. Price really does factor in a lot more than most people having these conversations tend to mention, and therefore it's hard to take them seriously.
MrCunningham
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John Romero left id back in 1996 or 1997. The guy had nothing to do with mega textures or anything that happened after the release of Quake 1.
And PC gaming is a bit of a trade off. You pay more for premium hardware and games tend to come a lot cheaper.
Duxxy3
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Whatchu gonna do brother, when F2Pmania runs wild on you!!
Brofist
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I'm talking about third party games in general. 4 separate consoles are each selling at or more then the entire PC market for Ubisoft.
What do expect on a platform where people have thousands of games to choose from spanning multuple generations and aren't shoehorned into buying the next AAA release? There are way more gaming options on PC.
You do know he doesn't even work for id anymore, right? You're looking for Carmack, not Romero. Romero wasn't even a tech dude and was just a designer.
This thread is fucking gold.
maneil99
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What about Battlefield 3
http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20111103/battlefield-3-sales-xbox-360-vs-ps3/
Just enlighten me on what net you are shooting on so I can put down some goalposts
or what about L4D2
"Left 4 Dead did better on the consoles than it did on the PC" he went on to add. Perhaps an even bigger surprise given the fact that the regular updates and additional maps we PC gamers got for free took an age to reach the Xbox 360, and came with a price tag."
TrafalgarLaw
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Oh excuse me then.
You do realize John Romero has absolutely nothing to do with Megatextures right?
Mobius and pet octopus
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You come off very salty. If you're buying a GPU that costs 400 bucks, you're also getting much more than a ps4 can deliver.
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Wasn't that carmack?
What do you mean what about BF3? I'm not sure what relevance this is.
Let me summarise:
- The most popular games on PC are not console ports.
- There is one AAA game in the Steam top 10 (Skyrim), compare that to the last results we have for XBL activity - there was only one game that wasn't 'AAA' (which was Minecraft).
Basically, saying "PC games don't sell as much as consoles!" and deliberately ignoring the most popular games on the platform isn't really a valid argument.
What is all this nonsense you keep quoting at me? What relevance does this have to my argument?
You are aware you're sourcing an article that's using ******** as a source, right?
A source so bad it's actually filtered like a swear word here. And one that doesn't track digital sales.
I mean, the article even includes: "Update, I got some facts wrong, sorry." Why on earth are you using it?
Crimsonclaw111
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Speaking of Battlefield don't the numbers pretty much show that PC is the first or second most popular platform depending on whether it's Euro prime or American prime?
PC players just play different games in general. There's a lot of crossover but the cinematic third person shooter isn't nearly as popular. Competitive games, strategy and indie are pretty dominant.
PC players just play different games in general. There's a lot of crossover but the cinematic third person shooter isn't nearly as popular. Competitive games, strategy and indie are pretty dominant.
perfectsil
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I'm talking about third party games in general. 4 separate consoles are each selling at or more then the entire PC market for Ubisoft.
That's just one quarter , the quarter before this one PC is actually the platform with the most % of revenue
https://www.ubisoftgroup.com/comsit...ft fy14 earnings english finaltcm99143202.pdf
TrafalgarLaw
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If AMD and Nvidia weren't price gouging, you'd be right. I can buy a 7770 for half the price of a next gen console, but I still won't have a mobo, casing, os, CPU etc. The choice is made clear then.
maneil99
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L4D2 and BF3 are not console ports, how come they sold worse on PC then console. And they are both popular so you tell me.
Love Deterrence
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Sheesh.
LiquidMetal14
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this thread...these reply's..
It would be one sided if some didn't present some potent and salient points. It's not just about gloating on PC but contrasting at times.
Hang on, where did I say all non-console ports are immediately the most popular on PC? Of course games with good PC versions (e.g. a Valve game) could sell better on a console - I don't think I hinted anywhere to suggest otherwise - it wasn't even close to being my argument.
I'm saying the most popular games on PC aren't console ports, nothing more. So quoting numbers at us from publishers who primarily only do console-ports (e.g. EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc) doesn't paint the full picture.