Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

I'm probably not as picky as most - some of our game Dev TV sets are probably hilariously bad with latency - but the goal is to get a 50/55" set that can be comfortably wall mounted as the baby is just roaming like a dinosaur now. LCD was (is?) lighter and thinner which would help with that. We have cable but 3/4 HDMI plugs will be for game consoles.

I've always appreciated plasma - hell, the PX60 isn't even true 720p - but it looks like the writing is on the wall for that format.
 
I'm probably not as picky as most - some of our game Dev TV sets are probably hilariously bad with latency - but the goal is to get a 50/55" set that can be comfortably wall mounted as the baby is just roaming like a dinosaur now. LCD was (is?) lighter and thinner which would help with that. We have cable but 3/4 HDMI plugs will be for game consoles.
LCD is thinner and lighter, yeah... Plasma is basically sheets of glass going on... As in, it can be real thin actually (I consider the latest one I bought to be really thin), but never really light.

My 65VT60 weights 92.6 lb or 42.00 kg without stand... it's kinda massive. I quickly googled a 65" Sony LCD, the 64W850A and it's 75.4 lbs or 34 kg it's 1/4 less weight, roughly... that sounds indicative of what to expect.

Bare in mind that ultra thin without much of a bezel for LCD's is the very reason we had people last year loosening up screws on the back and massaging the front to correct uniformity issues caused by weight... which is silly and reveals bad quality assurance. That's a recipe for badly done sandwiches, even if they do look cool, screens weight and they need structure going on or that'll happen, which is why Full Array a few years back (leds behind the screen) had a lot better uniformity than Edge Lit usually has (putting led's on the edges around the screen) it had structure and it wasn't as thin. It was a win-win situation and it is thankfully a decision that is being salvaged for flagship models this year.

What I'm saying is be weary of ultra thin TV's, it's mostly a style over substance kind of decision.

This said, they can be wall mounted, the VESA mount for this inch size has to take the amount of weight needed to secure that a plasma like this doesn't just fall off.

Another word of advise, Sony is not very VESA friendly, so looking those will need extra adapting parts (which were available for popular models like the 42W650A last year, dunno if they are for the W805B, the feet stand it comes with should be wall mountable though it'll secure the same weight but I believe it uses less screws bolted onto the wall, So you probably need a good wall (each screw will support more weight than usual), or just go VESA, but it's not straight forward... sadly.

... These concepts we're talking about, IPS sucking and uniformity being balls is not stuff you usually notice on a store, just like store environment hasn't helped when it came to selling plasma screens, light coming from the ceiling masks grey blacks and bad uniformity pretty well.
I've always appreciated plasma - hell, the PX60 isn't even true 720p - but it looks like the writing is on the wall for that format.
It is, but until OLED is viable in a lot of senses we're advancing LCD which is kinda like the years we invested in VHS after the betamax failed. It's a technological branch that has very little chances of coming close to plasma in reality, it's not self emitting and it'll never be... And the future is, hopefully self emitting, which Plasma was.

OLED will surpass it (real OLED, perhaps not LG WOLED-CF when it comes to actual color reproduction), but that seems farther and farther away.

I know PX60 heritage pretty well as I have a X50 on my gaming room, which is the penultimate model that used that (last were the X60's in 2013) and it's pretty amazing for what it is. It was a good run, couldn't recommend it enough for people on a budget last year.
 
Is there a Sony LCD on the market under 46" that is quality? Good blacks, motion de-judder, input lag etc?
In US and going by their site only the 40W600B fits that bill, and that's sadly a 60 Hz model so I'd say it can be good for that, but never great.

If you're in the PAL lands, 42W705B is probably the best LCD gaming TV you can buy this year albeit I believe de-judder is missing from it's spec (no real motionflow). But there also are W805B in 42" here ... they lag a bit more and have more processing going on.

In US they start out at 50", so I recommend that instead.
 
In US and going by their site only the 40W600B fits that bill, and that's sadly a 60 Hz model so I'd say it can be good for that, but never great.

If you're in the PAL lands, 42W705B is probably the best LCD gaming TV you can buy this year albeit I believe de-judder is missing from it's spec (no real motionflow). But there also are W805B in 42" here ... they lag a bit more and have more processing going on.

In US they start out at 50", so I recommend that instead.

Bummer I don't know why they abandoned the 40" peeps in the states
 
It looks like I have to redo my whole basement area. After the remodel my TV will move from around 6 feet away to about 15 feet away.

Right now I have a older 48" Sony Bravia. This won't cut it moving it that far away with gaming. Will a 80" TV be enough? Damn things are crazy expensive but I really don't see another option with how the room is being laid out.

4K doesn't seem needed so I won't be spending the money on that. I currently own one Sony(LCD), two LG's(LED&Plasma), and a spare Westinghouse(LCD). All of them seem to function well but I'm not sure who is currently putting out the best large set. Any recommendations?
 
Bummer I don't know why they abandoned the 40" peeps in the states
Remember how 42" were the new 32"? Well, they want 55" to be the new 42" soon.

And just like with 32" before... Quality panels are clearly being drained in order to benefit the models they want to sell.

Just like LCD advances in IQ are being channeled for 4K panels, it's not about resolution, it's about making them look better (and not rebating those R&D gains for sets they don't really want to sell)
It looks like I have to redo my whole basement area. After the remodel my TV will move from around 6 feet away to about 15 feet away.

Right now I have a older 48" Sony Bravia. This won't cut it moving it that far away with gaming. Will a 80" TV be enough? Damn things are crazy expensive but I really don't see another option with how the room is being laid out.

4K doesn't seem needed so I won't be spending the money on that. I currently own one Sony(LCD), two LG's(LED&Plasma), and a spare Westinghouse(LCD). All of them seem to function well but I'm not sure who is currently putting out the best large set. Any recommendations?
Can you accommodate a projector?

For people that need over 65" on a budget that's the place to go.
 
For people that need over 65" on a budget that's the place to go.

I've thought about it but honestly I don't know jack about them. I have a drop tile ceiling too so I would have to custom mount it.

*Edit* And I would wonder how much a projector would mess with gaming. FPS are the majority of what I play.
 
I've thought about it but honestly I don't know jack about them. I have a drop tile ceiling too so I would have to custom mount it.

*Edit* And I would wonder how much a projector would mess with gaming. FPS are the majority of what I play.
No, no. Let's not overcomplicate things... Projectors had that installation nightmare going on a few years back, but...

Projectors are evolving, the whole projector on the back and on the ceiling is now a category called Long Throw. Then you have short throw and ultra short throw.

ultra short throw being this:

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I say go with short throw, which is not that close to the wall but it's basically creating an island from the panel/wall before your couch, no need for crazy installations or pointing your remote to the back like you are controlling a Air conditioning thing, just something midway from where the TV would be.

I know the W1080ST outputs 65" size at 1 meter/3.2 feet from the wall:



(and doesn't stop there)


That projector is very good for gaming, it's DLP tech (not prone to motion blur even without motion compensation going on, motion compensation which increases lag) and doesn't lag over 33 ms (I've heard both 33 ms and 24 ms - both are pretty good).

You'd be hard pressed to find a screen that big that behaves this well. I'm not even sure it exists (but I'm leaning towards no). Disadvantages is that you need a dim environment (like plasmas) if you don't want to run it in torch mode .

It's not a bad choice and it's not very expensive, compared to the increase on price per inch over 60", I'd go with that "island" solution and a few years from now jump to a ultra short throw solution when they become affordable.
 
No, no. Let's not overcomplicate things... Projectors had that installation nightmare going on a few years back, but...

Projectors are evolving, the whole projector on the back and on the ceiling is now a category called Long Throw. Then you have short throw and ultra short throw.

ultra short throw being this:

sony_4k_ultra_short_throw-100224231-large.png


I say go with short throw, which is not that close to the wall but it's basically creating an island from the panel/wall before your couch, no need for crazy installations or pointing your remote to the back like you are controlling a Air conditioning thing...

I know the W1080ST outputs 65" size at 1 meter/3.2 feet from the wall:



(and doesn't stop there)


That projector is very good for gaming, it's DLP tech (not prone to motion blur even without motion compensation going on, motion compensation which increases lag) and doesn't lag over 33 ms (I've heard both 33 ms and 24 ms - both are pretty good).

You'd be hard pressed to find a screen that big that behaves this well. I'm not even sure it exists (but I'm leaning towards no).

It's not a bad choice and it's not very expensive, compared to the increase on price per inch over 60", I'd go with that "island" solution and a few years from now jump to a ultra short throw solution when they become affordable.

Cool thanks for all the info. This helps a lot. I'm going to look into projectors.
 
Is there a Sony LCD on the market under 46" that is quality? Good blacks, motion de-judder, input lag etc?

In US and going by their site only the 40W600B fits that bill, and that's sadly a 60 Hz model so I'd say it can be good for that, but never great.

If you're in the PAL lands, 42W705B is probably the best LCD gaming TV you can buy this year albeit I believe de-judder is missing from it's spec (no real motionflow). But there also are W805B in 42" here ... they lag a bit more and have more processing going on.

In US they start out at 50", so I recommend that instead.

Jap. The 42705B is a great model but it only has a 50hz/60Hz Panel build in. The 805B is almost the exact same TV as 705, but it features 3D. So if you want a with 100/120hz you would have to go with the 50's models, because 50' and up they all have built in Motion Flow and 100/120 hz. That's why I bought the 50' yesterday. For gaming that does not matter much to be honest, because all of them are going 60hz in Games mode ;)
 
Absolutely not essential in any way. The reason I bought one is pretty simple, 1. I got it for a price lower then list anywhere. 2. I wanted an LCD and a 4K TV to play with until my next upgrade. 3. I have the money to buy one and when coupled with items 1 and 2, it really was a fuck it why not scenario.

Right now 4K reminds me of when I got a 3D display in 2010. No real content out except some exclusive stuff from some manufactures (ex. samsung hd pack, sony media player, etc) most has to be found online. I think next year we will start seeing more content.

It's just something that is nice to have but not needed. I will probably upgrade again in a year or so once they have large size 4K OLED at a reasonable price. Though I have to admit for critical viewing I will still be using the ZT60 or 500M

I myself am an early adopter. I always have been and always will be. I would say unless you have disposable income and can afford it don't get a 4K TV unless you are getting an LCD. Only reason I say that is because if you get a high end LCD now it will probably have 4K anyways. Otherwise you are better served getting an 8500.

Thanks, very helpful!

I looked at the 8500, but plasmas just aren't my thing. The picture always looks very dithered and grainy compared to LCDs, and I have a very bright viewing room.

60" Samsung LED LCD coming Tuesday. Never had a tv this big before (46" right now). Can't wait to check out Avatar in 3D in my living room!
 
Holy hell, I don't know if I just don't know how to set it up correctly, but 4K makes my GTX 680 cry.

I tried using that Metro 2033 benchmark tool, in 1080p I get average 64 fps and in 4K I get average 11 fps with the same settings and just the resolution changed.

I tried playing Tomb Raider (2013) and it was literally a slideshow in 4K, less than 1 frame per second rendered and I'm not sure why. It's possible I completely exploded the 2 GB of VRAM in 4K, the framebuffer + textures is probably some number I don't really want to imagine.

But hey, Diablo III ran great in 4K! Locked at 60 fps! /rolleyes

A single GTX 680 with 2 GB of VRAM is not enough for 4K gaming.
 
Another word of advise, Sony is not very VESA friendly, so looking those will need extra adapting parts (which were available for popular models like the 42W650A last year, dunno if they are for the W805B,

Thanks for the tip; both the W800B and its Canadian equivalent (W790B) both need the VESA adapter. Sony's Canadian store sells it for only $30, but it's still such an obvious thing it's a bit incredible it doesn't come in the package over, say, one of those 3D glasses.

Anyway, for all of my bewilderment, I ran into a great - by Canadian standards - deal on 55" W790 today, so I went ahead with that. I'll post pics and a few details once it's delivered and installed. (It managed to get the Wife vote of approval, which the wedge of the W850 did not...)

lostinblue said:
OLED will surpass it (real OLED, perhaps not LG WOLED-CF when it comes to actual color reproduction), but that seems farther and farther away.

Oh, that I know. I've followed display tech research a bit and it's obvious that there is a big market for somebody to figure out LCD's replacement, but nobody with the money to really fix it anytime soon. Pioneer burned themselves out trying to salvage Plasma. Sony spent a lot trying to solve OLED and CLED and gave up both. The real advancement has been in streamlining LCD, not the least because it's a much cheaper path to take. Some of it seems like fools gold to me - Samsung's Pentile and Sharp's Quattron - but at least they are trying.

OLED's real saving grace - and guarantee that it will continue to see R&D budgets - is that it is proving so successful on microdisplays in the red-hot cell phone market. We may see cheaper, more prolific 4K devices on mobile before we see it in the home, which is almost ridiculous to consider where the tech was even 5 years ago.

lostinblue said:
I know PX60 heritage pretty well as I have a X50 on my gaming room, which is the penultimate model that used that (last were the X60's in 2013) and it's pretty amazing for what it is. It was a good run, couldn't recommend it enough for people on a budget last year.

Yeah, I sort of missed the boat there buying a year late. Future Shop had a liquidation model 60" ST60 but I wasn't about to spend a lot on the ST60 over the VT60 and get an EOL product for my money. I'd keep the PX60 for older content (1024x768 is great for Wii and other 480i stuff) but, well, it's big. Real big. The W790 is 38lbs. The PX60U is 65lbs (!!)
 
After having a weekend with my F8500, I must say it is the bee's knee's.

Football was amazing on, The Hobbit from HBO looks fantastic and video games were amazing on the One, PS4 and 360 (once I changed to PC mode)

I still have my one lingering issues, but I am very pleased!


Now I need to calibrate it and figure out my speakers!
 
I'm really eyeing the Sony 60W630B. There are no good reviews yet though. Anyone have this one?

I'm actually debating between the 630 or a Vizio E650i-B2. Seeing as Sony TV's have pretty good input lag, I'm not too worried, but I have no idea on the Vizio and honestly I'm worried about the build quality. Thoughts?
 
After having a weekend with my F8500, I must say it is the bee's knee's.

leaning towards this set more and more.
Partially because the panny GT60 went up in price AGAIN (not available anywhere below 1550€ in my country now..damn, it used to be as low as 1199 and i didn't bite) and mostly because it's the largest good tv i can fit in my shelf and i also like the 'closed' bottom design of the base, which will strategically hide tons of cables running behind it.

1299 refurbished / 1399 new


(stop the press, what do you guys think of the older 51E8000 ? much worse than the 8500 ? i can grab one for 850€...)
 
Jap. The 42705B is a great model but it only has a 50hz/60Hz Panel build in. The 805B is almost the exact same TV as 705, but it features 3D. So if you want a with 100/120hz you would have to go with the 50's models, because 50' and up they all have built in Motion Flow and 100/120 hz. That's why I bought the 50' yesterday. For gaming that does not matter much to be honest, because all of them are going 60hz in Games mode ;)

Doesn't the 705B have MotionFlowXR 200Hz even on 32" and 42" models?
Oh, and there's a 829B series with MotionFlowXR 400Hz on its 42" model and 800Hz in its 55-incher
 
Doesn't the 705B have MotionFlowXR 200Hz even on 32" and 42" models?
Oh, and there's a 829B series with MotionFlowXR 400Hz on its 42" model and 800Hz in its 55-incher

Well yes they have Motionflow XR 200hz, but this is just marketingBS. They have 50hz panel and you do not have good MF settings. It is LED Movestuuf on or off. It is really not good. The 42' 829 is almost exact same model as the 805b . Maybe some different Software tweek, but still marketing BS. I dont think you have the MF settings as the 50's, because on the 2014er Models everything under 50' has a 60hz Panel and not the 120hz. You will have to go with the 50' and higher to get the real MF and 120hz Panels. The 55' 829b will have real motionflow with 120hz. But always keep in mind that those 400 and 800hz are marketing and upscaled from your TV. It is either 50/60hz or 100/120 Panels. The Panel will not reproduce more than those hertz. with 400 or 800hz there are just more Pictures in between that are artificially brought in there ;)

But as I said. For Gaming it doesn't really matter, because all models will be 60hz in Game mode and not 120hz. But for watching Movies the 120hz is quite significant.
 
Is there any particular reason to buy a computer monitor specifically over a TV for a gaming pc? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you get a lot more for your dollar buying a TV than specifically getting a monitor.
 
I'm in the market for a new TV for my new gym/games room (I know it's a bit over the top but why not lol). Any recommendations on a good 1080p set? Not too bothered about 4k.

I wanted to buy a 55" Panasonic VT65 plasma (I already have a 50" version in my bedroom) but the only one I can get now is a pricey refurb, which I'm apprehensive about.

Any TV's that are comparable in black levels, colour accuracy and contrast to the top level plasma's for £1500 or so? I just haven't kept up to date with newer LED TV's as I never expected to ever move away from plasma :(

Why Panasonic... Why?
 
I'm in the market for a new TV for my new gym/games room (I know it's a bit over the top but why not lol). Any recommendations on a good 1080p set? Not too bothered about 4k.

I wanted to buy a 55" Panasonic VT65 plasma (I already have a 50" version in my bedroom) but the only one I can get now is a pricey refurb, which I'm apprehensive about.

Any TV's that are comparable in black levels, colour accuracy and contrast to the top level plasma's for £1500 or so? I just haven't kept up to date with newer LED TV's as I never expected to ever move away from plasma :(

Why Panasonic... Why?
Plasma is going to be completely discontinued by the time I can afford one and I hate LCD. I hate everything.
 
Anyone have a go to picture set-up for a plasma. I recently purchased an LG 60" and it has the presets like vivid, cinema, game, standard, eco.....but it also has expert 1 and 2 for a customized setup. I was fooling around with it while playing TLOU:R and vivid is too bright and sharp so I left it on standard. Anyone have some settings they prefer or swear by?
 
Plasma is going to be completely discontinued by the time I can afford one and I hate LCD. I hate everything.

Yea, it's a sad development. As a tech fiend it's disappointing that both Pioneer and Panasonic bailed out of the plasma game. And at the height of product quality as well.
 
If you really still want plasma, there's always craigslist/kijiji/etc. You won't get a brand new set, but Plasma ages gracefully and you might get a great deal. It's a shame Panasonic can't build them anymore but the margin just isn't there.

I'm really eyeing the Sony 60W630B. There are no good reviews yet though. Anyone have this one?

Given it's the only 630B I see, I'm guessing that's a 60" version of the W600B line? If so then it should basically adhere to the review on RTINGS

robotstuff said:
Is there any particular reason to buy a computer monitor specifically over a TV for a gaming pc? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you get a lot more for your dollar buying a TV than specifically getting a monitor.

You can, but there just isn't anywhere near the same level of pixel density/sharpness since it's such a bigger screen. You end up with a "fuzzier" sort of image. Personally I would find it fine for games but inadequate for general web browsing/office stuff; even at 1080p the TV displays we have at work aren't really what I would want to browse the web on all day.
 
Remember how 42" were the new 32"? Well, they want 55" to be the new 42" soon.

And just like with 32" before... Quality panels are clearly being drained in order to benefit the models they want to sell.

I have $320 in Costco credit was thinking of the Vizio E series? Any thoughts?
 
I have $320 in Costco credit was thinking of the Vizio E series? Any thoughts?

I like my 42", it's got deep blacks, and no input lag. I mean I doubt it's god-tier compared to plasma or the absolute most expensive LED, but, gotdamn it's pretty decent coming from my CRT. Sounds a bit ehhh, but, I don't mind that much. Full Array is the future and the natural evolution of LEDs. I really wanna see what the R and P Vizios look like.
 
I like my 42", it's got deep blacks, and no input lag. I mean I doubt it's god-tier compared to plasma or the absolute most expensive LED, but, gotdamn it's pretty decent coming from my CRT. Sounds a bit ehhh, but, I don't mind that much. Full Array is the future and the natural evolution of LEDs. I really wanna see what the R and P Vizios look like.

Hmm sounds pretty good. There is an upgraded model there too which i think is 120hz. Wonder if it's worth the extra money .. 2" larger too.
 
Anyone have a go to picture set-up for a plasma. I recently purchased an LG 60" and it has the presets like vivid, cinema, game, standard, eco.....but it also has expert 1 and 2 for a customized setup. I was fooling around with it while playing TLOU:R and vivid is too bright and sharp so I left it on standard. Anyone have some settings they prefer or swear by?

I've got a 60 inch LG plasma and can tell you my settings when I get home. Someone might be able to get you better one but I like mine pretty well. I can tell you though that I used a customized Cinema mode for everything but gaming, and then my gaming mode is customized as well.
 
I've got a 60 inch LG plasma and can tell you my settings when I get home. Someone might be able to get you better one but I like mine pretty well. I can tell you though that I used a customized Cinema mode for everything but gaming, and then my gaming mode is customized as well.

nice, yes! loving my 60" by the way...so much screen!
 
What are your guys opinions on the 2014 Vizio M series? I'm thinking of picking one up today and all the reviews have been positive so far and the price is terrific. Any specific reason why I shouldn't get one?
 
Yea, it's a sad development. As a tech fiend it's disappointing that both Pioneer and Panasonic bailed out of the plasma game. And at the height of product quality as well.
Even moreso since Panny was the only company that would give good picture quality on their sets that weren't $2k+
 
If you really still want plasma, there's always craigslist/kijiji/etc. You won't get a brand new set, but Plasma ages gracefully and you might get a great deal. It's a shame Panasonic can't build them anymore but the margin just isn't there.



Given it's the only 630B I see, I'm guessing that's a 60" version of the W600B line? If so then it should basically adhere to the review on RTINGS

Although I've never heard of rtings, I feel pretty good about the Sony model. I'm trying to evaluate the Vizio M65. I'm guessing I can get it for about the same price as the Sony, but it's a little bigger.
 
I have $320 in Costco credit was thinking of the Vizio E series? Any thoughts?
I don't know much about Vizios because they're a US-only affair.

But they seem to be making an effort and not charge extra for it while they're at it. Which specific model is it?

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Vizio's model names from the chart above are worth some additional decoding. The "B" behind the hyphen. "-B0," "-B2," etc, serves to differentiate the 2014 TVs above from their 2013 predecessors, which included "-A0," "-A1," and so on. So the E550i-A0, still available for sale at Best Buy, is a 2013 TV, while the E550i-B2, on sale at Amazon and elsewhere since the beginning of February, is a 2014 model.
Source: http://www.cnet.com/news/vizios-cheap-e-series-tvs-are-brimming-with-local-dimming/

Make sure it's not a 2013 model as it seems some models overleap and I'd also advise to get a i model as that moniker stands for Full Array w/ Local Dimming and (supposedly)120 Hz.

Not getting ahold of hard numbers for input lag, but it seems manageable @ ~33 ms or so. (little less or little more) seems like turning off local dimming makes a difference for the best in response time too. For that price doesn't sound like W605B can be better, I've said it before but Sony keeping the W705B from you folks was a very dumb decision.
 
Although I've never heard of rtings, I feel pretty good about the Sony model. I'm trying to evaluate the Vizio M65. I'm guessing I can get it for about the same price as the Sony, but it's a little bigger.

I only just found RTINGS this weekend, but they have fairly comprehensive coverage (outside of Vizio, I guess) and a really great format for each TV including input lag (Bodnar), motion blur, and a Q&A section at the back. My new #1 resource for TV info. The Display Lag database and HDTVtest.co.uk are also very interesting but limited (the former in results, the latter in being a primarily EU resource).
 
Yea, it's a sad development. As a tech fiend it's disappointing that both Pioneer and Panasonic bailed out of the plasma game. And at the height of product quality as well.

Yeah they both went out strong though in terms of their last product line. Which most are still better then displays being released to lol.
 
Can anyone recommend me a TV? We currently have a 46" Sony Bravia from about 2006/2007. It served us well, but we're looking to upgrade. The blacks are not very black anymore and you can see some definite, cloudy looking light bleed on the picture in one corner.

We're looking to go bigger than 46", but I'm unsure if I should bite the bullet and spring for 4K. I have no interest in watching movies in 3D, but it seems like the Display Lag is lowest on new 120hz 3D TV's.

Any suggestions?
 
Can anyone recommend me a TV? We currently have a 46" Sony Bravia from about 2006/2007. It served us well, but we're looking to upgrade. The blacks are not very black anymore and you can see some definite, cloudy looking light bleed on the picture in one corner.

We're looking to go bigger than 46", but I'm unsure if I should bite the bullet and spring for 4K. I have no interest in watching movies in 3D, but it seems like the Display Lag is lowest on new 120hz 3D TV's.

Any suggestions?

4K is really a complete waste of money, unless you REALLY want to watch 4K blurays, and you have a monster gaming PC that can run games at 4K resolutions.

The Sony 800b models are great 1080p TVs for gaming, and generally anything else you're looking to do. Super low input lag, good black levels, and very nice design. Oh, and they even have good speakers built if that interests you. The only thing I'd warn someone about would be the 55 inch models. They have more issues with a consistent backlight. The 50 inch models are quite good in this regard.
 
Guys I need a new TV.

Looking to spend at most 2k.

I've been eyeing the Sony 55W950B and the Samsung that is similar to the Sony's.
 
The bigger problem with 4K is that it's too early for the HDMI we need for 4k@60hz. The upgrade is coming, but it's not here yet. Buying 4K now just feels too much like buying "HD-Ready" instead of full blown HD.
 
Which don't exist.

Really? I thought they had started to trickle out, but I haven't really paid close attention.

Guys I need a new TV.

Looking to spend at most 2k.

I've been eyeing the Sony 55W950B and the Samsung that is similar to the Sony's.

Avoid the 950b. Had it in my house, along with the cheaper 800b. The 800b is a much better tv. Reviews have said the same thing, but I didn't believe it til I saw it with my own eyes. The biggest problem with the 950 is the dirty screen effect IMO. The 800b has none.
 
4K is really a complete waste of money, unless you REALLY want to watch 4K blurays, and you have a monster gaming PC that can run games at 4K resolutions.

Or want to watch Netflix in 4k or youtube high bitrate videos in 4k. Plenty of material there. Breaking Bad and House of Cards plus a bunch of movies in 4k on Netflix. Hundreds of 4k videos on youtube.

The bigger problem with 4K is that it's too early for the HDMI we need for 4k@60hz. The upgrade is coming, but it's not here yet. Buying 4K now just feels too much like buying "HD-Ready" instead of full blown HD.

Many 2014 4k TVs support 4k@60hz (aka HDMI 2.0).

My UE65F9000 with the 2014 Evolution Kit upgrade certainly does.
 
Really? I thought they had started to trickle out, but I haven't really paid close attention.



Avoid the 950b. Had it in my house, along with the cheaper 800b. The 800b is a much better tv. Reviews have said the same thing, but I didn't believe it til I saw it with my own eyes. The biggest problem with the 950 is the first screen effect IMO. The 800b has none.

So which TV would you suggest?
 
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