Sony Gamescom: PS4 install base exceeded 10 million units sold through globally.

Xilium said:
I think disconnect between the success of the PS4 and people's assumptions that it doesn't deserve its success because it has no games has to do with people on GAF (and in the gaming media) being obsessed with the notion that first-party titles/exclusives are the definitive system sellers.

Yearly franchise blockbusters are regularly disregarded on this forum as being "same old shit" but it is precisely those games that are selling the new generation systems. 10M people aren't buying the PS4 to play Infamous, Killzone, or whatever indie exclusives Sony can round up. They're buying it for Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Madden, FIFA, and soon Destiny.

I think people are just severely overestimating the power of an exclusive game, especially in relation to Playstation/Sony, which has had the weakest first-party (in terms of sales) for some time now. People wanted a next-gen system to play their favorite 3rd-party games with higher image fidelity and simply chose PS4 over XBO for any number of obvious reasons (price difference, dislike for Kinect, DRM fiasco, XBL/TV services being heavily catered to USA/UK, ect.)
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Qft
 
Xilium said:
I think people are just severely overestimating the power of an exclusive game, especially in relation to Playstation/Sony, which has had the weakest first-party (in terms of sales) for some time now.
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Weakest compared to Nintendo? Sure.
Compared to Microsoft? I want to see those receipts that takes into account 2013 numbers (or up to 2014 if possible.)

Edit: I won't be reading for awhile but just to pre-empt. First-party and hopefully this won't be an average where you're getting punished for actually releasing lots of diverse games.
 
gameongreggy said:
Returned 4

1. Disc Drive not responsive
2. HDD SHat the bed
3. Power Wouldnt power on
4. Loud Fan clicking noise.

5. Pray to god it keeps working.
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coldone said:
I have a PS4... every time I show a game to some one and say look here is a new shiny console. The answer is oh yah, I have seen Towerfall on Ouya, Fez on 360, Last of Us on PS3, Destiny beta on 360.. It was never this hard to demo a console before.

When I first showed Gears on 360, Halo on OG Xbox, GT3 on PS2, FF on PS1.. The answer was "wow.. I have never seen this before". Even on PS3, the first game I showed my wife was Ratchet and she said.. "This looks like Pixar movie and not the polygonal ratchet you used to play on PS2".
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The lengths some people go to. No one should believe this story time with bedtime bear bullshit.

Overreaching and frankly preposterous.
 
Mikey Jr. said:
If PS4 has no games, despite multiple new games coming out every month, what does that make Xbone?

Like, seriously.
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Well, this (just the past few months):

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Dante316 said:
People people people, when you say ps4 has no games please say that it has no games that YOU WAN! The reason ps4 is selling is pretty obvious, its the choice for the third party games and ps4 exclusives and indies. It has variety. I personally have bought more games during launch of ps4 then during any other console launch. I have indies, f2p, AAA games. The exclusives that you guys keep talking about come year 2 and 3. Its like you guys never been in a console launch before.
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this!

Personaly i have too many games, here is my list:

- PS+ free games (too many)
- first party (killzone+infamous+tlour)
- 3rdparty (tomb raider+Ac4+Nba4k+NfS+watchdog)
- PSN games (Transistor+child of light+ trials fussion)
 
Mikey Jr. said:
If PS4 has no games, despite multiple new games coming out every month, what does that make Xbone?

Like, seriously.
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'PS4 has no gaemz' is actually a much more structured and complex argument than it appears at first glance. Let me unpack it for you:

1. Multiplatform games don't count because you can get them on Xbox One (even if they theoretically run better on PS4, most people don't care or see a difference unless they have a 110" TV that they're sitting 3 feet away from)
2. Indie games don't count, because they're mostly 2D pixel art platform ears that suck
3. The majority of first party games don't count because of personal taste, such as Killzone Shadow Fall is boring, Knack is bad, the main character of Infamous SS is douchey looking, etc
 
benny_a said:
They say all consoles are created ayqual, but you look at PS4 and you look at Xbone, and you can see that statement is NOT true. See normally if they go one on one with another console you gotta fifty/fifty chance a winnin. But PS4 is a gigaflop freak, and it's not normal. So Xbone got a twenty five percent, at best, at beatin PS4. Then you add WiiU to the mix? Xbone's chances a winnin drastically go down. See the three way at WW sales, you gotta thirty three and a third chance a winnin, but PS4 got a sixty six and two third chance a winnin, cause WiiU KNOWS it can't beat PS4, and it's not even gonna try. So Xbone, you take your thirty three and a third chance, minus PS4's twenty five percent chance, and you got an 8 and a third chance a winnin, at WW sales. But then you take PS4's seventy five percent chance a winnin, if it was to go one on one, and then add sixty six and two thirds ch-...percents...PS4 got a hundred an forty one an two thirds chance a winnin at WW sales. See X-...Xbone! The numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you, at WW sales.
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The second I read "they say all consoles are created" I was done. That promo is just so fantastic and this post was terrific except


Xbone's chances a winnin drastically go down
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"drastic go down".......Now I gotta watch that Steiner promo again.
 
Katana_Strikes said:
But not all that far off surely?

Lets say PS4 does 3.5m more in the US this year. Is that a stretch? Maybe a high end figure. Say 800k for Aug-Oct (inc. expected bump in Sept for Destiny and healthy in Oct) and then 2.5m in Nov-Dec (too high this year?). Meaning the PS4 would certainly equal that in the rest of the world which is 17m with a little extra more thanks to its sku-ing better WW.

So possibly 18m by years end? vs maybe 10m Xbox Ones?
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The X1 won't reach 10 million this year. They'll be lucky to reach 8. Right now they probably haven't hit 5 yet. I'm assuming that WW sales are going to fall off a cliff compared to last year (which was launch season) while in NA it should perform slightly better than last Nov/Dec. Yea, no way it hits 10. Maybe 8.

serversurfer said:
I wonder how many of those people are excited for MCC.

The Master Chief Collection: Better graphics, for the gamer who just decided graphics aren't that important anyway™
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See, that's what bothers me about people saying the MCC will shift consoles.

You could make the argument for TLOU, since last gen the 360 absolutely dominated NA, and there were millions of people who probably missed out on it (not to mention it's arguably the best game of last generation). But the Halo games? Everyone who wanted it, bought it last gen, the 360 was everywhere. I'm of the the thinking that only the hardcore halo faithful will go out and buy a whole console for it. In general, it'll have a high attach rate, but I don't see it moving units the way MS needs it to.
 
krypt0nian said:
The lengths some people go to. No one should believe this story time with bedtime bear bullshit.

Overreaching and frankly preposterous.
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i am not joking at all. All my friends who tried Destiny Beta on 360/PS3 are sticking with it. The general feed back is,
"yah man 360/PS3 plays the same game. May be 200-250p lesser... so be it. I will buy PS4/Xbone once games that truly can't run 360/PS3 start arriving. Instead I will just spend the money on more games this year .."

Which game will you show to say.. PS4/Xbone is a must have now and it can't be played on last gen at all ?. And there is no point waiting for another year + price drop ?

Almost all them have a decent laptop with HD4000 or Nvidia GPU. So they can get games like Rouge Legacy, Shovel Knight on steam far cheaper.
 
Dragonborn said:
Of course, they're not exclusive. I didn't claim they were. I just said that the PS4 had way more games (in response to people wondering why it's selling so well), which is without a doubt true. It's not even close
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Fair enough. ID@Xbox really was a late starter. Fucking stupid of MS. I know they just announced 20 or 30 new games to the program so I am sure they will even out the Indie disparity sooner rather than later.
 
coldone said:
i am not joking at all. All my friends who tried Destiny Beta on 360/PS3 are sticking with it. The general feed back is, yah man 360/PS3 plays the same game. May be 200-250p lesser... so be it. I will buy PS4/Xbone once games that truly can't run 360/PS3 start arriving. Instead I will just spend the money on more games this year ..
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And everyone you showed Kz to fell asleep. Story time. SMH

This is old time GameCube Community board over at IGN quality stuff. I've seen it all before with different names attached.
 
Dante316 said:
People people people, when you say ps4 has no games please say that it has no games that YOU WAN! The reason ps4 is selling is pretty obvious, its the choice for the third party games and ps4 exclusives and indies. It has variety. I personally have bought more games during launch of ps4 then during any other console launch. I have indies, f2p, AAA games. The exclusives that you guys keep talking about come year 2 and 3. Its like you guys never been in a console launch before.
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The first year exclusives of the PS3:

Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, Folklore, Eye of Judgement, and some others I'm forgetting.
 
As someone who bought a PS4 in July I have more than enough games to play. Played and Beat Infamous Second Son, played a bit of Killzone Shadow Fall's story but since The Last of Us came out that's been my main focus. I still have KZSF to finish, play SS on an Evil play through, haven't even touched the cheap Injustice Ultimate Edition I got from the sale, and I have all these Indie games I get for free piling up.
 
Why has this thread devolved into discussing the PS4 having games? It HAS games...just, nothing to be excited about in my opinion and the opinion of many others. But I don't see what THAT has to do with Sony's amazing marketing and selling it to us.
 
Dante316 said:
People people people, when you say ps4 has no games please say that it has no games that YOU WAN! The reason ps4 is selling is pretty obvious, its the choice for the third party games and ps4 exclusives and indies. It has variety. I personally have bought more games during launch of ps4 then during any other console launch. I have indies, f2p, AAA games. The exclusives that you guys keep talking about come year 2 and 3. Its like you guys never been in a console launch before.
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I have seen it exactly the other way. First year it is all exclusives from console makers. Once the console becomes successful we see a lot of 3rd party games. 360, MS spent money on Gears, Masseffect etc. PS3 had Ratchet, Motorstorm, wipeout, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Uncharted, Warhawk, Lair(even though it didnt work out well) etc in 12 months. PS3 also had small PSN only games like Pain, super stardust .

Now instead of exclusives we get PS3 ports and vita ports.
 
george_us said:
The lead the PS4 has now is nothing compared to the whoopin' the PS2 was putting on the Xbox and GCN at that time, to be fair.
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If we're talking about PS2's lifetime and how it was whooping Xbox and GC because they hadn't even launched yet then that's not true. PS4's lead over Xbox One would be extremely comparable.
 
BruiserBear said:
The first year exclusives of the PS3:

Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, Folklore, Eye of Judgement, and some others I'm forgetting.
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Not counting digital games I've already counted 7 games.
Infamous Second Son
The Last of Us Remastered
MLB 14 The Show
Killzone Shadow Fall
Knack
FF 14 Realm Reborn
Drive Club
Little Big Planet 3
 
BruiserBear said:
The first year exclusives of the PS3:

Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, Folklore, Eye of Judgement, and some others I'm forgetting.
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I'm pretty sure ps4 has about the same amount.

Killzone , knack , infamous , driveclub , little big planet , mlb , resogun , flower , guilty gear.
 
StoopKid said:
I'm pretty sure ps4 has about the same amount.

Killzone , knack , infamous , driveclub , little big planet , mlb , resogun , flower , guilty gear.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Sony_Computer_Entertainment#PlayStation_3

These are not remakes, ports. New games published by Sony in the 12-18 months of PS3 launch.

2006
Retail
Genji: Days of the Blade
NBA 07
Resistance: Fall of Man
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Blast Factor
Cash Guns Chaos DLX
Go! Sudoku
Gran Turismo HD Concept
Lemmings

2007
Retail
Boku no Natsuyasumi 3: Kitaguni Hen: Chiisana Boku no Dai Sougen (Japan only)
Folklore
Formula One Championship Edition
Heavenly Sword
Lair
MLB 07: The Show
MotorStorm
NBA 08
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Ridge Racer 7 (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
SingStar
The Eye of Judgment
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk
PSN
Aqua Vita
Calling All Cars!
Everyday Shooter
EyeCreate
Feel Ski
flOw
Go! Puzzle
High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition
High Velocity Bowling
LocoRoco Cocoreccho!
Mesmerize Distort
Mesmerize Trace
Nucleus
Operation Creature Feature
Pain (Retail version in PAL only)
PixelJunk Racers (North America and PAL only)
Piyotama
Snakeball
Super Rub 'a' Dub
Super Stardust HD
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection
The Trials of Topoq
Tori Emaki
Toy Home
 
Good thing this arguing over games has slowed PS4 sales down. Even though it's starting to basically grow a bigger and bigger gap in games available.

What is thread about anymore?
 
Kazenokatana said:
Not counting digital games I've already counted 7 games.
Infamous Second Son
The Last of Us Remastered
MLB 14 The Show
Killzone Shadow Fall
Knack
FF 14 Realm Reborn
Drive Club
Little Big Planet 3
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Why are you counting the baseball game? I could have added that to the PS3 list too. Isn't FF14 a third party game? I could have added more of those to the PS3 list as well.

StoopKid said:
I'm pretty sure ps4 has about the same amount.

Killzone , knack , infamous , driveclub , little big planet , mlb , resogun , flower , guilty gear.
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I left games off my PS3 list. Those were just the worthwhile ones. Also, a re-release of Flower counts?
 
AmaterasuOni said:
Well, this (just the past few months):

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That's quite a difference.

I've been saying for a while now, part of the reason the PS4 is selling so well is because the number of games released each month is impressive. It's been beating the Bone in that respect for like 7 of the last eight months.

That is going to tell after a while in sales.
 
StoopKid said:
I'm pretty sure ps4 has about the same amount.

Killzone , knack , infamous , driveclub , little big planet , mlb , resogun , flower , guilty gear.
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So if PS3 and PS4 had the same amount of games released in the first year, and PS3 had no games, what does that mean for PS4?

Also why are you counting games like resogun and flower? Are those retail?
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
So if PS3 and PS4 had the same amount of games released in the first year, and PS3 had no games, what does that mean for PS4?

Also why are you counting games like resogun and flower? Are those retail?
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PS4 will have had far more multi platform releases, and tonnes more indie content too, exclusive and multi platform alike. First year games quantity and quality wise, PS4 easily ousts the PS3 imo.
 
Oh, nvm.. PSN counts for PS3 but somehow not for PS4.
 
coldone said:
i am not joking at all. All my friends who tried Destiny Beta on 360/PS3 are sticking with it. The general feed back is,
"yah man 360/PS3 plays the same game. May be 200-250p lesser... so be it. I will buy PS4/Xbone once games that truly can't run 360/PS3 start arriving. Instead I will just spend the money on more games this year .."

Which game will you show to say.. PS4/Xbone is a must have now and it can't be played on last gen at all ?. And there is no point waiting for another year + price drop ?

Almost all them have a decent laptop with HD4000 or Nvidia GPU. So they can get games like Rouge Legacy, Shovel Knight on steam far cheaper.
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Any game, because I live in the real world where 360 and PS3 games look like they run on the old shitty consoles they run on and all of my friends and acquaintances aren't blind figments of my imagination.
 
BruiserBear said:
Why are you counting the baseball game? I could have added that to the PS3 list too. Isn't FF14 a third party game? I could have added more of those to the PS3 list as well.



I left games off my PS3 list. Those were just the worthwhile ones. Also, a re-release of Flower counts?
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And there you go.

This game doesn't count because this, that one doesn't count because this. Eventually, you discount all games until PS4 has no games, it's an incredibly solid tactic.
No, it really isn't, it's so dumb

It doesn't matter what the PS4 has, the fact is, it's selling incredibly well so obviously, people like what they see.

You list PS3 games in the first year, well let me ask you, how did the PS3 do the first year? I can say, for me, I've played and bought more games this year so far than I did the first year of the PS3's life.

ivedoneyourmom said:
So if PS3 and PS4 had the same amount of games released in the first year, and PS3 had no games, what does that mean for PS4?

Also why are you counting games like resogun and flower? Are those retail?
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The PS4 actually has a negative amount of games dude.
After listing away all the games for one reason or another, Knack is so bad that it obviously counts as negative 1
 
Why can't people just celebrate PS4 success and don't bring Xbox One in the discussion. On top of that this list war shit. Jesus. wtf people?
 
AmaterasuOni said:
Well, this (just the past few months):

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The disparity in game libraries is nothing short of tremendous. One month of PS4 games is 2 or 3 months of Xbone games.

However, this thread is definitely doomed now. Someone please explain why indies and digital only titles don't count.
 
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