"Exotic" might not be a compliment towards people

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Exotic basically just means foreign or 'from someplace far away', not just different. A guy wearing spandex and clown shoes to school isn't 'exotic' for doing so.

There's no negative connotations attached that I can see at all.

Lord knows how somebody would be offended by somebody being pleased about one's being(or looking like they are) from some faraway place.

I don't get it.
Yeah the problem is in the difference between the person giving the compliment and the person receiving it.
The person giving the compliment might be ignorant, but describes a beauty that lies beyond what he sees in daily life, i think.
 
Would you go up to somebody and say "You look different and beautiful" or "Your difference makes you look beautiful"? Those are the two primary meanings of "exotic". If you would say the first, why not drop the "different" out? Why isn't "You look beautiful" the better thing to say? You think people take it as a compliment that you notice they look different from others?
No, because that's not a subtle way to do it at all. I have complimented women I've dated on the physical features that make them stand out to me. Some of these features were attractive and different. Then again, I would never come out and compliment a woman by calling her beautiful or exotic anyway, I just don't understand why anyone would be offended by a word that in every other usage is seen as a wonderful compliment of beauty.

"Your difference makes you look beautiful" is a horrible way to put it, but there is actually a very nice sentiment behind it complimenting them for who they are.
 
Because the people that take offense to it would rather be considered attractive because their appearance is attractive on its own. I think both of the women below are beautiful. I wouldn't call the second woman "exotic". I see no reason to make an observation of difference while complimenting her beauty. Her beauty speaks for itself.

Who's saying their appearance wouldn't be attractive on their own?

No one has said that exotic means ''beautiful only because you're different''.
 
See I could understand that but what bothers me about that line of thinking is you completely disregard the other persons opinion, intention and definition of the word in favor of your own that only has a negative connotation. If you tell a person you find it offensive and they keep using it towards you then they are being insensitive. But on the initial use they may not have have meant any disrespect.


I did nothing of the sort. How is asking for some sympathy demanding you stop defining a word the way you want?

I'll mention cat calling again. Many women find it disgusting, myself included, and yet we're constantly told they're just compliments, accept them! I guess our personal feeling should be disregarded just because, definitions? Compliments are supposed to flatter but dammit circumstances are important and everyone's different! Show some tact is all we're asking.
 
I think some of you think telling a non-white person in America they're exotic is empowering, but maybe it can be more of an upsetting reminder that they don't fit that expected standard of beauty in that culture.
 
That could also mean they're aware of what it means to put Asians in that list. It's a legit thing with Asian and black people in America.

I believe that to be true, what I don't believe to be true is that the word exotic is invariably aimed at ethnic minorities.

A list on the internet isn't the same as real-life experience.

Your experience is not the same as everyone else's and the word exotic is not invariably aimed at ethnic minorities.
 
I did nothing of the sort. How is asking for some sympathy demanding you stop defining a word the way you want?

I'll mention cat calling again. Many women find it disgusting, myself included, and yet we're constantly told they're just compliments, accept them! I guess our personal feeling should be disregarded just because, definitions? Compliments are supposed to flatter but dammit circumstances are important and everyone's different! Show some tact is all we're asking.

I didn't say to accept it or disregard your feelings I'm saying take into consideration that other people may not mean what you think it means before you condemn the person as tactless or rude. Like I stated it's perfectly fine to tell someone what makes you uncomfortable and they should respect it.
 
Why is the exotic part necessary? There's nothing impressive about looking different. It's not even a sign of beauty. Humans have a diverse appearance and some appearances may not be common in other areas. That means we are all "exotic" to somebody else. But why does that matter? Why is it worth saying? Why should somebody care? Why should it make them happy to hear?
Because some people spend their lives being non-descript, normal, standard, plain. There is often as much pain in being normal as there is in being different. To go somewhere new and go from normal to exotic is thrilling and uplifting for some people. For others it isn't.
 
One last point, and I'm out because I'm hungry and want to get friend chicken for dinner.

Whenever I heard the word "exotic" what I hear is, "Hey there foreigner, I have a fetish for your kind".

Maybe that's not what you mean, but it comes across like that to lots of people.
 
I think some of you think telling a non-white person in America they're exotic is empowering, but maybe it can be more of an upsetting reminder that they don't fit that expected standard of beauty in that culture.

i think some of you think that think exotic is a way to isolate others concentrate too much on an american aspect when in other countries and cultures the word doesn't have the sane notion and can strongly be skewed more towards adoration and has wider range than just skin color.

but it's ok i've only been saying that since page 1.

i can accept others find the word insulting, but they won't accept that the word isn't used in that manner in other countries. ok.
 
One last point, and I'm out because I'm hungry and want to get friend chicken for dinner.

Whenever I heard the word "exotic" what I hear is, "Hey there foreigner, I have a fetish for your kind".

Maybe that's not what you mean, but it comes across like that to lots of people.

When I hear "exotic", I hear "Hey that's weird" essentially.
 
SImply complementing one feature doesn't mean you disregard all the others. But I'm sure you knew that.

So when you tell people they are beautiful because they are different, they have to also consider you have other reasons for finding them beautiful but you just happened to not state them? Why? You chose to make that statement.


Because some people spend their lives being non-descript, normal, standard, plain. There is often as much pain in being normal as there is in being different. To go somewhere new and go from normal to exotic is thrilling and uplifting for some people. For others it isn't.

And why wouldn't you listen to somebody telling you that being called different isn't a compliment? Surely those people wouldn't find it a compliment to be called "typical".
 
I think some of you think telling a non-white person in America they're exotic is empowering, but maybe it can be more of an upsetting reminder that they don't fit that expected standard of beauty in that culture.
If anything it's breaking down that standard because you're complimenting them specifically BECAUSE they don't look like the expected standard of the beauty in that culture. It's bucking that standard and saying "Hey, you are beautiful for who you are." The whole reason the word exotic exists is to say that someone is beautiful because they don't look like the standard.
 
Well if anything I'll say this has opened my eyes to something I never knew existed and I'll be more careful regarding it's use in the future. Saying that as a minority who has been called exotic and only ever took it as a compliment(and will continue to).
 
Well if anything I'll say this has opened my eyes to something I never knew existed and I'll be more careful regarding it's use in the future. Saying that as a minority who has been called exotic and only ever took it as a compliment(and will continue to).

hear hear! let me join you as another minority who has been called exotic and appreciated it, and will do so to others when appropriate (instead of not at all!)
 
Yeah I dunno, the only time I've ever heard "exotic" used to describe a person to their face, it was creepy guys sending messages to Asian women on dating sites. It's just a really weird word to use to describe a person, I think. Especially so if the person is a stranger.

But I'm loving all the people who will fight tooth and nail for their right to use this word, ignoring anyone who might be offended by it.
 
See, I don't think it is extraneous. Beauty can derive from the differences, and "exotic" is a word that conveys that. Why not say exactly what I mean? Because pointing out differences is wrong? I don't think it is, we're all different and I think we should embrace that.

Why would that be a gotcha? People look different, if that difference makes them beautiful, what's the problem?

Here's a hypothetical. Let's say that I'm a white man that has only ever seen white people and one day I happen across a black woman that I find attractive. Now sure, I think that this woman has other positive qualities, but what I really like is that this woman's skin tone is so unlike any other I've seen before. I find her attractive because I've never seen a person with her skin tone before.

Is that fine?
 
If anything it's breaking down that standard because you're complimenting them specifically BECAUSE they don't look like the expected standard of the beauty in that culture. It's bucking that standard and saying "Hey, you are beautiful for who you are." The whole reason the word exotic exists is to say that someone is beautiful because they don't look like the standard.

Just say they are beautiful. That's actually bucking the trend. It's saying "Why do I need to constantly make sure their difference is stated? I think that person is beautiful and I'm saying it".
 
I'll be honest, describing someone as exotic sounds like what someone would say back when colonialism was at its most relevant, what with the implicit romantic feelings towards the distant and novel.
 
News to me. I've been described as exotic in my younger days and it always by women wanting some lol.

Exotic = Ferrari, Lamborghini, Birds of Paradise, Brazilian women, Dark skin light eyes etc etc

Exotic >>> Vanilla any day of the week.

I think we're slowly running out of words that are ok to use these days.
 
Also, you know being or looking different isn't considered a good thing to a lot of people right?

And? maybe they should learn to deal with that, I live in a ethnically homogeneous country which is pretty much 99% white, if you have dark skin, hair like black silk, double eyelids whatever, you ARE looking different from the general populace, there's no tip toeing around it, and if you are good looking you can prepare to be described as "exotic", i've never heard it used in a negative light, it's just striking to people, if you look like a bollywood starlet here, then fuck yes you are exotic and it is meant as a compliment.
 
So when you tell people they are beautiful because they are different, they have to also consider you have other reasons for finding them beautiful but you just happened to not state them? Why? You chose to make that statement.

As has already been mentioned, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and whatever feature you deem the most appealing and the one you notice first might not be as appealing to other people.
 
And? maybe they should learn to deal with that, I live in a ethnically homogeneous country which is pretty much 99% white, if you have dark skin, hair like black silk, double eyelids whatever, you ARE looking different from the general populace, there's no tip toeing around it, and if you are good looking you can prepare to be described as "exotic", i've never heard it used in a negative light, it's just striking to people, if you look like a bollywood starlet here, then fuck yes you are exotic and it is meant as a compliment.
"Deal with it and accept my compliment".
 
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"wow you are very exotic looking.. was your dad a GI or..?"
 
As has already been mentioned, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and whatever feature you deem the most appealing and the one you notice first might not be as appealing to other people.
And why should somebody care that you find them beautiful because they look different? I certainly don't. Many people here are saying they don't. Why are you fighting that people don't care?
 
Here's a hypothetical. Let's say that I'm a white man that has only ever seen white people and one day I happen across a black woman that I find attractive. Now sure, I think that this woman has other positive qualities, but what I really like is that this woman's skin tone is so unlike any other I've seen before. I find her attractive because I've never seen a person with her skin tone before.

Is that fine?

You're asking if you think it's fine to find a person attractive based on a physical feature?

And why should somebody care that you find them beautiful because they look different? I certainly don't. Many people here are saying they don't. Why are you fighting that people don't care?

It's a compliment. Like complimenting someones eye. If people don't care it's a compliment I wouldn't use again. But as I said before, it's one I don't mind people using on me. So evidently, not everyone is offended by it.
 
You're asking if you think it's fine to find a person attractive based on a physical feature?

No, I responded to your quote saying
People look different, if that difference makes them beautiful, what's the problem?
with a hypothetical in which one person finds another person attractive because of a difference and asked if that was fine.
 
"Deal with it and accept my compliment".

You can take it as a compliment or not, but yes, if you look like a bollywood starlet (this is the example i'm going with, deal with it), you are looking different from the general populace here, maybe the situation will be different in the distant future with immigration and whatnot, but right now that's how it is, doesn't mean it's bad, you just do look different. I think this discussion has derailed too far, though.
 
No, I responded to your quote saying
with a hypothetical in which one person finds another person attractive because of a difference and asked if that was fine.

So a physical feature that is uncommon in the area you live in? In which case I would say yes, it's ok to be attracted to an uncommon physical feature.
 
I'm loving all the people in this thread like "I'm like Michael Scott. I'm right. Deal with my compliment."

And what gets me is that we keep pointing out how the term is reasonably offensive - it makes us feel like foreigners, it makes us feel marginalized, fetishized, objectified, etc - and yet so many people keep defending it and are completely unempathetic to these effects.
 
So a physical feature that is uncommon in the area you live in? In which case I would say yes, it's ok to be attracted to an uncommon physical feature.

Well I already said I wasn't asking you whether it was fine to be attracted to a physical feature, but thanks I guess.
 
And what gets me is that we keep pointing out how the term is reasonably offensive - it makes us feel like foreigners, it makes us feel marginalized, fetishized, objectified, etc - and yet so many people keep defending it and are completely unempathetic to these effects.


"Us", "us", "us", speak for yourself, mate.
 
No, I responded to your quote saying
with a hypothetical in which one person finds another person attractive because of a difference and asked if that was fine.
I'm pretty sure every relationship I've ever been in started off with me being attracted to someone because I noticed something about them that made them stand out and look different to me. Sometimes it's their eyes, sometimes it's their nose, sometimes it's their hair, sometimes it's their skin.

What you provided was a hypothetical where the only reason someone was attracted to someone else was because of their skin color. Something can be the initial thing you notice about someone, and not be the sole reason that you're attracted to them. Just because it's the first thing you notice doesn't mean it's the only reason you end up being attracted to them. Something has to come first, and since I can't read their mind and find out all of the great things about their personality before looking at them, what comes first is usually an attractive physical trait that makes them stand out from everyone else.
 
Hmm, I've read most of the replies in this topic, and while I can understand how calling someone exotic would pose a problem (which seems to be what most people are discussing) I still have a hard time believing this is an actual problem, as in, does it actually occur often enough to warrant education on it?

I'll humor that thought though and try to explain how I feel about the word in general:

When I think "exotic", I immediately get a picture of a tropical beach on an island somewhere. This is just the first thing that pops into my head. The people on this island probably have clothes that are unfamiliar to me and they generally look differently from what I'm used to. This can also of course be because of their hair color, the color of their skin, their eyes etc. It's worth pointing out though that I realize that for the people living on this imaginary island this isn't exotic at all. For all I know, this place might not even exist outside my mind. This isn't the only image I get when I hear the word, but I feel it describes how I feel about the word nicely.

Now, I generally don't feel like the word necessarily emphasizes beauty, but I can agree with some of you that it points out that something is different to what you are used to, but in my opinion it doesn't really have a negative tone either.

I think when someone wants to describe a person, place or object as "exotic" they feel it matches the image they have in their head. This image most likely varies wildly from person to person though, so this in itself will pose a problem when trying to interpret the word.

If I were to use the word "exotic" to actually compliment someone, which I wouldn't, but let's say I did, I can see where this might put the person in a position where they don't know how to interpret what has been said to them even if they knew the actual definition of the word. Are you complimenting the person because he/she is different? In what way? Is it negative/positive? Is it even a compliment? What is it exactly you want to convey with telling me I'm exotic? Do you find my "race" attractive? Is this something that turns you on/off? And if it is, why should I take that as a compliment? Are you comparing me to an animal by saying I'm not usually part of your natural habitat? Is this an insult? And so on...

The ambiguity of the word itself makes it confusing and not very appropriate as a compliment as the interpretation itself isn't unanimous for everyone who knows it. This is also one of the reasons why some might find the word racist or derogatory simply because their vision of the word doesn't match the vision of the person who used it to describe them.

I personally try to compliment people's abilities rather than looks, but that's not really the point. In my opinion you probably shouldn't try to compliment people with words you can't quite explain yourself. Calling someone exotic, for me, is like calling someone esoteric or something. Better to give a more straightforward compliment or none at all.

As someone pointed out though, there's a time and a place for everything, but in that context you can probably get away with almost anything, especially if you know the person well.
 
It's not though, plenty of white people get talked about as 'exotic' as well:

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000072238/

I mean can you get much whiter than fucking Nicole Kidman? She is practically translucent.

First of all, that list was created by a random user on that site. Second, an IMDB list is not indicative of how the word is used in ordinary conversation. And even if we're somehow using that flimsy list as proof, did you not notice that the list is full of minorities and mixed race individuals?

But since we're using random-ass IMDB lists as arguing points, let's search for "most BEAUTIFUL" lists (instead of most exotic):

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000435152/
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls009876876/
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls000073166/

Oh, look! What a coincidence. It's nearly all white women.

So yeah, so you're wrong. "Exotic" in normal parlance is a code word for black, Asian, Latino and other brown people who look different. I think it's some serious bullshit that people in this thread are insistent that one just take the underhanded compliment because "good intentions!" No, that's not how it works. If a minority person thinks it's a shitty compliment, don't force it upon them because you think it's an awesome thing to say.

edit: And yeah, it often does border on fetishization.
 
I'm not asking whether it is fine to be attracted to an uncommon physical feature, I'm asking whether it is fine to be attracted to the (perceived) uncommonness of a physical feature.
Why not? It's beyond your control.
It's not like being attracted to some feature, or multiple features is a choice.
 
I personally don't mind being on the receiving end, but I'll go with whatever the person I'm complimenting is comfortable with. You'd think in a one on one conversation it'd be easy to just determine what would and would not be appropriate without having to consult the internet.
 
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