Ray Rice (football player) cut by Baltimore Ravens, suspended indefinitely by NFL
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Not sure if this has been asked, but if the entire altercation had happened today, wouldn't he have been suspended 6 games under their new policy? The NFL is a complete shit show when it comes to discipline, not that I disagree with suspending/cutting him at this time I would like to add.
Respect my ass. They knew all along that he knocked her out. Did they need to see the video evidence to get a conscience?
Fox Mulder
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I'm sure the NFL knew all about the truth, they just hoped it wouldn't get out.
not psycho
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It's just a business decision. Having him on the team when the public (including their fans) has seen this video is bad for business. They weighed the public response against his value on the field and releasing him was clearly the right business move.
It's like with Sterling in the NBA, knowing what he did is one thing, something you can safely ignore without harm to the business, having an actual tape/video that the public can see/hear and associate with the league is another.
SolidSnakex
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Has anyone seen of the the tweets from the players that ESPN has been talking about? They're saying that there were quite a few players tweeting about how they didn't want to have this (domestic violence) in their league. I haven't ran across any, so i'm curious about who was speaking out about it.
Hey now... none of the rest of us (other AFCN teams) had anything to do with this...
He'll be back if he stays in decent shape. Give it a good 3 years max.
shadyspace
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Big Ben's a rapist, the existence of the Browns brings us all down as a nation and the Bengals are boring.
HalfBakedProphet
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it'll be interesting to see what happens with Ray McDonald. A 6 game ban in the aftermath of all this looks fucking lenient
I'll give you the first two, and perhaps the third, but that's no reason to nuke an entire division... lol
Jerry loves money. Picking up Rice makes no money. The Raiders would probably be the first team to give him a chance then again Al Davis is dead now so who knows
Saint Gregory
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They don't have a video in that case. The video here is what sealed Ray Rice's fate. Everyone knew what he did but once they saw it for themselves his career was done. You can't have someone like that representing your billion dollar franchise.
MiamiWesker
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NFL looks so bad (and the state looks worse but I will keep this about sports), so much backtracking just cause a video is out. They knew every thing in that video happened and they fucked up with the first ruling for who knows why. Now just cause this is a PR disaster they are scrambling. Not cause this is appalling, it was appalling before and it got him 2 games, but cause now people will be in an uproar.
Good on TMZ to release this and I am glad the NFL acted swiftly but they still made a mess of this entire situation.
Good on TMZ to release this and I am glad the NFL acted swiftly but they still made a mess of this entire situation.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
....why? They knew all along what happened, they just cut him when the PR got too hot. They were totally cool with it when it was blowing over.
wsoxfan1214
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Time for the NFLPA to defend the wife beater.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Ravens just deleted the victim blaming tweet LULZ.
Welp, that will make people forget about it and...oh wait...here it is:
Welp, that will make people forget about it and...oh wait...here it is:
Is tonight's Raw going to be Sam vs Rice vs Tebow in a tripple threat match?
They don't get paid at all once cut. The salary cap money that the Ravens are held accountable is just dead space they can't use. It's to deter teams from offering ridiculous contracts they never plan on seeing the end of. Any NFL player can be cut at any time and, unless their contract specifies guaranteed money, their salary is no longer paid at that point. A portion of it still counts for the team's salary cap though, as though they were still paying him. But they aren't. Usually dead cap money isn't even money that was still to be paid, it's prorated based on the signing bonus already paid and the amount of time on the contract.
Basically it discourages a team from signing somebody to a "25 year, $250 million contract" when they plan on cutting the player after two seasons. The vested veteran stuff is a different subject though, and is also generally meant to prevent teams from taking advantage of players or keeping them on the roster long enough to negatively impact their future earning ability.
(edited because I saw an earlier reply and missed something in between where the subject shifted)
Ravens just deleted the victim blaming tweet LULZ.
Welp, that will make people forget about it and...oh wait...here it is:
Oh dear... I hate that this shit will overshadow the Penn State news but fuck it, leggo...
after reading more in this thread i'm just editing that line out of my original comment because even i dont really agree with it. too many people are going to keep quoting it
ReturnOfTheRAT
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All that's needed is proof that they saw the video previously and are lying about it today.
This, from Eric Harvey, Assistant Professor of Communication at Weber State University, popped up in my Twitter feed. Pretty much agree on all counts. In part:
SolidSnakex
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Thanks. Terrance Knighton is on the money
Hopefully more current players stand up and say something.
Psychoward
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There is no reason he shouldn't have served jail time for that.
That is the fucked up part they had to have seen eh video, yet they did everything but the right thing. Upto and including trotting this woman out to apologize, but when folks see how ti went down, NOW they want to be the moral authority.
Happened in Atlantic City ....
Oops derp, then make the the ACPD.
Arkos
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Well let the legal system decide that, and remember to keep these issues separate. "Throw him out of the league" and "throw him in jail" are two VERY different things. Beef with the NFL and beef with RR and beef with the legal system should be addressed separately.
OriginofHysteria
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Pretty much. Goodell threw the ACPC under the bus on this one.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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The NFL has no ground to stand on anymore, Goodell should be fired.
That's one of the most despicable things I've seen in a long time.
The NFL and Ravens are freakin gutless. The guy was already punished (albeit lightly). How can you let public outrage with zero new information lead to this? What did folks think a knockout punch would look like?
Nice precedent set here. Why shouldn't DUIs now lead to players being cut too? It's just as bad if not worse than hitting a woman IMO.
Nice precedent set here. Why shouldn't DUIs now lead to players being cut too? It's just as bad if not worse than hitting a woman IMO.
HalfBakedProphet
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obviously. That's what sunk Rice, but this diabolical has changed the way these crimes are punished
It went from "we saw another video, its not that bad" and a 2 game suspension. There was backlash, they realized they fucked up and upped any new domestic violence incidents to a 6 game ban and a lifetime ban for a second conviction. But Rice's ban stayed a 2 games...until A new video comes out (which the NFL may have already seen) and the 2 game banned is ignored for an indefinite ban.
In the thick of this, Ray McDonald is charged with domestic violence against his pregnant fiancee. If he is convicted, do they stick to the 6 game ban they just came up with? Because I could see them bring the hammer down extra hard just because he was the first to fuck up post Ray Rice. So yes, it will be interesting to see what they do with McDonald and if they continue being consistently inconsistent in regards to their punishments.
Yeah, a lot of players are on twitter exclaiming how this should have been done a while ago. I'm interested to see the spin once (if) the media start asking these questions.
My main concern is that there are stipulations where someone can do this to another person, or rape someone, or whatever and then still get paid because of some veteran clause or some bullshit. Just throwing a random situation out there. Lets say today September 8th, Big Ben gets caught on video trying to rape some chick in a bathroom. He is then cut by the Steelers and banned from the NFL. According to this clause does he get paid his 2014 Salary? And if he does, that is despicable and needs to amended ASAP.
SolidSnakex
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DUI's make no sense in the league as all teams have people ready to pick players up around the clock if they're drunk.
UnObtainium17
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Disappointing that it needed this footage for ravens to do what it should have done in the offseason. I'm still amazed this was only 2 games from the nfl lmao. Ray Rice will be back in the NFL by next year. I doubt he will go to jail as he and his wife seem in good terms now.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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shadyspace
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Somebody should have let Jim Irsay in on that little perk.
HerbertFish
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I believe they disbanded that under the last cba. Edit: well they did but the nflpa picked it up. Costs $85 a ride now. Dumb, but still cheap for a nfler.
And you're a misogynistic fool. Go away.
Psychoward
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I know, and I'm not saying for years or anything, but he should face some punishment outside of the NFL, which he probably will.
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