Necromanti
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The black man obviously did a spin attack with his sword, forcing the poor policeman to open fire and ending up hitting the man's back in the process. (He deftly deflected the bullets that came at him from the front.)
Utah police shoot black man "lunging" w/ sword. Witnesses, autopsy say shot in back
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Didn't speak on that, just keep seeing people bringing it up and feel people have the wrong impression of what that means.
same as above, didn't speak on if the cops are justified or not, but if you or others are going to keep bringing it up being like a toy sword as a point then people should realize what they are really like if that is helping to form an opinion one way or the other.
Not everyone is from the U.S, I'd imagine or might not be aware of the law. Right now my understanding is if a suspected felon is fleeing and considered a threat then it's justified, but I'm not sure in this case what a felony would have to be. Would the lunge count for it?
Edit: Nvm It looks like it's answered below
Massive Duck. C.M.
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What the story left out is that the sword originally began life as 千黒刃, or Senkokujin, the Thousand Years of Darkness Blade. The victim used it to lunge at the heroic police, simultaneously deflecting bullets. However, the valiant officer managed to shatter the onyx charm in the hilt, making it as brittle AS a toy. The victim turned and fled, but the sage constable knew he had to stop the beast, regardless of man's law, and shot forth a volley of justice.
TheRedSnifit
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The Supreme Court ruled in 1985 that deadly force can be used if it is "necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others".
i remember a thread just a week ago about some cops respecting open carry without incident. i wonder where things went wrong here
TheRedSnifit
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Right, I forgot that those were the same cops.
If we assume the man attacked the officers, the case could be made that the police had probably cause to believe he was a threat. In the event you brought up, I'm pretty sure the man never opened fire on the officer.
Coffee Dog
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Are you #notallcops -ing?
Jesus, why do cops keep giving this badass supernatural abilities to black people, to they think they come from Hammerfell or some shit?
why does everyone assume that cops just get bumrushed on the regular? lmao
unless someone is swimming with bath salts, no one is doing that shit when people get choked out for walking their dog
IISANDERII
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American cops have poor accuracy.
I remember seeing posts where some white guns were carrying these semi automatic or automatic rifles (out of protest) around the town with one cop just politely talking to them.
Yet every time I hear a black guy holding ANYTHING that could be used as a weapon of any kind, they get shot cold blood. Can you imagine if a black guy tried to carry those same rifles for the same reason like protest? I would love to see this tested and see if the black guy lives to even tell the story.
Sad to hear this news.
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Yet every time I hear a black guy holding ANYTHING that could be used as a weapon of any kind, they get shot cold blood. Can you imagine if a black guy tried to carry those same rifles for the same reason like protest? I would love to see this tested and see if the black guy lives to even tell the story.
Sad to hear this news.
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Gormless Noodle
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Cops here in the Netherlands can perform this feat somehow. Maybe our wooden clogs give us extra stability for aiming.
TheRedSnifit
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. . . because if they didn't get attacked, then this whole discussion we're having is irrelevant. Nobody's saying that the police can just walk up and shoot a guy in the back for the hell of it.
Like, I have no idea what you're trying to write and what it could possibly mean. Are you alright?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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. . . because if they didn't get attacked, then this whole discussion we're having is irrelevant.
Like, I have no idea what you're trying to write and what it could possibly mean. Are you alright?
Attempt to play off your ignorance with a gif tho
Jmanunknown
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I do not know how anyone can defend this bs. The police officers said that he lunged at them that is why they shot him. Autopsy shows he was shot in the back. That does not fit with their story. Not only that the witness in this incident also says they shot him in the back while he was running away but, just so no feelings get hurt lets just say that we do not have all the facts. I mean why would the police lie about shooting someone in the back especially an innocent person that just makes no sense at all.
Because they're power crazed, emotionally stunted, microdick packing jackbooted thugs.
888
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My thoughts exactly.
Wasn't this case reported days/weeks ago? Maybe it was another forum, but I remember a slight discussion about a cop shooting a guy with a sword and we were all like.... "A fucking SWORD!? Holy shit" But absolutely no one was playing the "Well guys lets wait for the rest of the details **Insert autopsy by a medical professional here** uuhh... well guys lets wait a little more anyway" game.
Its just so weird how it all changes on a dime just as soon as evidence comes out that says the cops may have been in the wrong. All of a sudden there's this fucking wall of iron, and all these fucking hurdles you have to clear before even considering that maybe they messed up, even when a damn autopsy comes out and says the exact opposite of what the cops said in their report.
Its just so weird how it all changes on a dime just as soon as evidence comes out that says the cops may have been in the wrong. All of a sudden there's this fucking wall of iron, and all these fucking hurdles you have to clear before even considering that maybe they messed up, even when a damn autopsy comes out and says the exact opposite of what the cops said in their report.
StickSoldier
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Cops are notorious for lying on their reports. Some cops said on their report that I lunged at them when they actually ran in my house and tried to subdue me. It's fucked up that they can get away with all this crap with only a slap on the wrist.
Reputable police artist's sketch
The officer who made the kill
(Because I'm too worn down to do anything more than joke at this point)
It's not normal to carry around swords but I have had friends bring swords to both High School and College without having an incident with the police or security.
Then again they weren't brown either.
Maybe the gun was the sword?
TheRedSnifit
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I know what bath salts are, I just had trouble figuring out what you were trying to say. Now that I've looked at it more I've figured it out, so sorry about the sarcastic reaction.
The discussion we were having - that I thought we were having, anyways - was over whether or not a cop could shoot a fleeing suspect. And yes, he can if the suspect can be judged to have presented a significant threat.
In this specific case, it's largely irrelevant. Either the police are telling the truth and the guy was lunging at them with a sword, or they're lying. I'm inclined to go with the latter, but the attorney's refusal to name the pathologist or provide an actual report or documentation is making me a bit wary of passing off judgment so soon.
Cops shoot people for less.
Jmanunknown
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So why were the police harassing this guy in the first place other then someone calling in saying they saw a scary black man with a sword? It is perfectly legal in Utah to carry a sword so why bother the guy if he was not threatening or hurting anyone?
Air Zombie Meat
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Well considering the guy is black, I can give you one reason why at least one poster here is defending the cops.
All that matters here is that the police lied in their report. That's it.
It doesn't matter if the guy lunged before he fled.
Doesn't matter how threatening the sword looked.
All that should matter is that there is evidence supporting the fact that the police lied about a crucial element in their report.
If you find yourself going to herculean lengths to circumvent that FACT with a hypothetical, based on nothing, to justify police shooting a man in the back and then lying about it in their report, then you can't be at all upset if people suspect that you might be just a smidge racist. Just a tinge.
It doesn't matter if the guy lunged before he fled.
Doesn't matter how threatening the sword looked.
All that should matter is that there is evidence supporting the fact that the police lied about a crucial element in their report.
If you find yourself going to herculean lengths to circumvent that FACT with a hypothetical, based on nothing, to justify police shooting a man in the back and then lying about it in their report, then you can't be at all upset if people suspect that you might be just a smidge racist. Just a tinge.
rokkerkory
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This is just too sad
Freaky Fred
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let's hear it
Big Baybee
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All the shots in the back......
YesNOnoNOYes
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Angelus, you are a genius at this.
<3 I was frowning and rage rage, but then your post <3
You don't want to hear it.
Schattenjäger
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http://www.inquisitr.com/1476092/darrien-hunt/
The video on that site shows the pic
The one pic in the article is a little telling since no sword is visible .. Either he dropped it or you can't see it because it's blocked by the car..
But it also shows the two cops .. Each on the side of him.. So if he did lunge at one.. He could very well have been shot in the back
I think cops need to start wearing cameras pronto
The video on that site shows the pic
The one pic in the article is a little telling since no sword is visible .. Either he dropped it or you can't see it because it's blocked by the car..
But it also shows the two cops .. Each on the side of him.. So if he did lunge at one.. He could very well have been shot in the back
I think cops need to start wearing cameras pronto
There could also be other reasons not related to race to try to look at the scenario from all angles. For example if someone were to discount any reason I gave for the cops being justified in any shooting wouldn't that make the police look worse in the end? People can also be looking at it from the perspective of a future trial(if it even got that far) which is the perspective I personally find myself coming from in most instances, including this one. I get that I'm priveledged to be able to see it that way because police in my country don't pull guns out straightaway(although they would if there was a sword involved most likely) and I didn't get persecuted just for the colour of my skin. Like I said before, I'm not beyond being outraged and posting with emotion, I did so in the Treyvon Martin case and the Michael Brown case. I also don't hold it against anyone who is weary of 'someone always popping up to take the police side', even if it's not the same person doing it. I'm not offended by it. It's the internet. Someone will always think they have a peg on who you are and your motivations.
Most people around here (I'm from Utah, but this is about an hour by freeway from me) feel that the officers screwed up and panicked, but that they weren't necessarily out to just kill the guy because they wanted to. It's not something we see too often here with our police force.
My best guess is that the guy turned to run and they were concerned that he was going to harm someone and they took him down. Why he wasn't tazed and subdued is beyond me.
Right after the shooting occurred there were reports that he had been threatening people with the sword, but that's not being repeated in recent reports. I feel bad for the guy and his family. Thankfully the community is firmly, yet peacefully, asking tough questions and demanding answers.
My best guess is that the guy turned to run and they were concerned that he was going to harm someone and they took him down. Why he wasn't tazed and subdued is beyond me.
Right after the shooting occurred there were reports that he had been threatening people with the sword, but that's not being repeated in recent reports. I feel bad for the guy and his family. Thankfully the community is firmly, yet peacefully, asking tough questions and demanding answers.
TheRedSnifit
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Schattenjäger;130070126 said:
This really, really needs to start happening.
Yep I don't think anyone can argue with that. There's way too many cases of cops abusing their power.
Must have been Luigi Death Stare level proportions here.... Jesus.
Gordon Shumway
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Dude..this post had me crying from the laughter. That's one accurate fucking list. Kudos to you, sir.
Gnite, advocates..
BladeoftheImmortal
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Better than an ak47.
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