How do I utterly destroy an upstart rival
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Green Wiggly
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you need to get his inseam measurement and a bucket of ravioli
Blargonaut
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OP's name is NotTheGuyYouKill. Age unknown. NotTheGuyYouKill believes in taking care of himself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if NotTheGuyYouKill's face is a little puffy, he'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. He can do 1000 now.
After he removes the ice pack he uses a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower, he uses a water-activated gel cleanser, then a honey-almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then NotTheGuyYouKill applies an herb-mint facial mask which he leaves on for 10 minutes while he prepares the rest of his routine. NotTheGuyYouKill always uses an after-shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
There is an idea of a NotTheGuyYouKill; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real NotTheGuyYouKill: only an entity, something illusory. And though you can hide your cold gaze, and you can shake your rival's hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense your lifestyles are probably comparable... NotTheGuyYouKill is simply not there.
After he removes the ice pack he uses a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower, he uses a water-activated gel cleanser, then a honey-almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then NotTheGuyYouKill applies an herb-mint facial mask which he leaves on for 10 minutes while he prepares the rest of his routine. NotTheGuyYouKill always uses an after-shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
There is an idea of a NotTheGuyYouKill; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real NotTheGuyYouKill: only an entity, something illusory. And though you can hide your cold gaze, and you can shake your rival's hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense your lifestyles are probably comparable... NotTheGuyYouKill is simply not there.
Run from battle and hope you get away!
The Albatross
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NotTheGuyYouKill has such a bizarre thread history, I am convinced he's writing a book for how to deal with potentially bothersome life situations... And crowd sourcing all of the data from NeoGaf. His thread five months ago about corporate espionage, followed by a thread saying he's done nothing for four months and wants business school advice, followed by a thread asking how to bury his upstart competition ... is interesting.
Chapter 1: How to evict a tennant
Chapter 2: How to deal with employees who think you are a bad boss
Chapter 3: How to utterly destroy business competition
... (middle chapters on celebrity gossip)
Chapter 7: Finding the World's best chocolate and buying it online
Chapter 8: How to deal with overqualified resentful employees
Chapter 9: How to trick people into thinking your brand is worth the money
Chapter 10: Is business school worth it?
Afterward: How to be a corporate spy or deal with corporate espionage
I'M ONTO YOU!
Chapter 1: How to evict a tennant
Chapter 2: How to deal with employees who think you are a bad boss
Chapter 3: How to utterly destroy business competition
... (middle chapters on celebrity gossip)
Chapter 7: Finding the World's best chocolate and buying it online
Chapter 8: How to deal with overqualified resentful employees
Chapter 9: How to trick people into thinking your brand is worth the money
Chapter 10: Is business school worth it?
Afterward: How to be a corporate spy or deal with corporate espionage
I'M ONTO YOU!
lostinblue
Banned
NotTheGuyYouKill try to explain what you brought to the table that prior competitors didn't. And how close he's emulating it right now.
I'm wondering if you can build a "system" around it. ie: do your stuff and his work together, can he repair or service your stuff? are they intermutable? Like people say, services, is there servicing or just services that can be offered to go along with it?
How long does the warranty you give for your products last? Are repairs peanuts (stuff like locks, they stop working - you open and clean them and it's fine) or if it fails you can only dump it? If he's undermining you with lesser quality offer 2, 3, 4 or 5 years warranty and advertise it, undermine him, don't mention by name but refer my competitors are only offering "x" years.
Make quantity discounts, you gain bigger by selling bigger after all, and selling bigger means you can negotiate prices. Don't cut your prices on the lower end to compete with his race to the bottom, make him unable to think big when it comes to shipments. Understand that if he cuts more and more he's not competing with you he's racing to the bottom to stay afloat.
Organize opendays, "how to use/apply" courses and include your clients in. These are chances for PR to be fed to them, and if they like you/know you/think they can count on you they also tend to be more faithful to you. Also, if your product is superior you can demonstrate it. You know the weaknesses of your rival product, so you can show how better yours is. That means someone will have to buy one or two units from him but those sales will cost him sales if you get what I mean.
Last but not least, sponsor. Get involved in free publicity by putting your materials out there. You spend material but it's philanthropy done right. and an investment better than doing wholesales.
Also, you don't need to sue, you just need to be able to. So do things he wishes he did, but can't. - That's crushing, it's like missing a boat.
I'm wondering if you can build a "system" around it. ie: do your stuff and his work together, can he repair or service your stuff? are they intermutable? Like people say, services, is there servicing or just services that can be offered to go along with it?
How long does the warranty you give for your products last? Are repairs peanuts (stuff like locks, they stop working - you open and clean them and it's fine) or if it fails you can only dump it? If he's undermining you with lesser quality offer 2, 3, 4 or 5 years warranty and advertise it, undermine him, don't mention by name but refer my competitors are only offering "x" years.
Make quantity discounts, you gain bigger by selling bigger after all, and selling bigger means you can negotiate prices. Don't cut your prices on the lower end to compete with his race to the bottom, make him unable to think big when it comes to shipments. Understand that if he cuts more and more he's not competing with you he's racing to the bottom to stay afloat.
Organize opendays, "how to use/apply" courses and include your clients in. These are chances for PR to be fed to them, and if they like you/know you/think they can count on you they also tend to be more faithful to you. Also, if your product is superior you can demonstrate it. You know the weaknesses of your rival product, so you can show how better yours is. That means someone will have to buy one or two units from him but those sales will cost him sales if you get what I mean.
Last but not least, sponsor. Get involved in free publicity by putting your materials out there. You spend material but it's philanthropy done right. and an investment better than doing wholesales.
Also, you don't need to sue, you just need to be able to. So do things he wishes he did, but can't. - That's crushing, it's like missing a boat.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Nice work, detective.
Do you want to collaborate with me on my follow-up on how to be a detective on the downlow?
afternoon delight
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Albatross just confirmed we actually are posting in a shitty eighties movie.
Devilgunman
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This happens to where I grew up from, but replacing busting knee caps with something more deadly. And oh no the case won't be in police record for some reason. Doing business is dangerous if you're getting too big too fast or in the way of a big dog.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Am I Charlie Sheen or Michael Douglas?
1. You're never too small for corporate espionage.
2. ronito corporate espionaged my post.
lostinblue
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I'd try to go upmarket, that's the thing you have the stability and client list to do and he can't, he's trying to cement himself in the market, you have both feet on it. So you can capitalize on it.
Premium if done right can't go wrong if you have a bigger margin on it. It's like those guys with a lot of money that go into a store to buy a TV, when in doubt pay more. Must be their unsung motto. Those types exist everywhere, in regards to materials as well.
Look at the things 3M offers in particular. 3M has turned upmarket as hell since the 1990's. Because people pay for it. The fact they patent so much is part of it, of course, I'm not even comparing the scale of the companies here.
But if done right premium is all about having a line that costs double uses the same production line and only improves like 20% upon the original product. Diminishing returns for whoever's buying, yes... But still better. It's like that reinforced umbrella.
In fact, did you know daily contact lenses are the same as monthly ones? I use daily ones for a month with no problem (dipping them in the same liquids, etc) it's the same thing or rather, there's no other way to do it using the same material.
But people still buy monthly lenses and pay a huge load of money for them. It's merely a "when in doubt..." catch 22 - there's no difference.
Don't leave the market you're exploiting of course (a lot of brands do that and somewhat fail, like Sendo, Huawei, Asus), price/quality is where the money is, but sometimes you need flagship to be taken seriously, Graphics cards are all about this, have a board that has 2 GPU's, huge cooling so the clocks and be insane and a shitload of RAM to entice people to buy your midrange thing that performs like any other. Same for cars (a Dacia is still a Renault), tyre brands (buying a lower range Bridgestone is better than buying a brand you never heard of)... etc.
I just don't advise creating a separate brand for it or focusing on these more expensive products as if your prices soared now, you keep emphasis on your price / quality range thing, but if extra quality is something you can built-in with a few more passes or using a different material on the same machines (for I don't know, bricks) then offer it as well. If you get big orders or not... market will tell, but you offer it.
Top range product shouldn't be your priority to sell, it should be suggested to a client you think appreciates it. That's like running a restaurant and recommending the most expensive dish.
You don't do it because it's your only good dish, it's because you know that client will appreciate you for it.
Look at Apple, they don't recommend you customise or buy the most expensive model, but they allow you to do it. It's not about having 50 products, it's about maximising your production pipeline. If you can offer something higher quality then do. But don't leave the sweet spot for a second. (but when doing higher quality sometimes you can decide something you were doing before that costed extra is now mature or cheap enough so you can apply to the cheaper product, and if that happens advertise it for all it's worth - being good at premium also means knowhow for budget products.
And yeah, build a company culture, opendays, conferences or teaching other people stuff about your product and the like promote that. That's also the thing he can't do at this point, you know that feeling of working on a company with space to grow, on a good place and known for the segment it's in? Even people working there are happier than the ones chasing after. I bet if you did a survey people working at Coca Cola are happier and stay more years in the company than the ones on Pepsi, and that's a situation where they're eternally chasing after... it's still the second best place to be if you sell soda. And the real issue is that the gap is not getting any smaller.
He's chasing after you, so he's not happy, trust me - there's an unbelievable amount of pressure when chasing after someone. And his objective is probably making it so that you aren't happy as well. Happy costumers, workers and in this case "you" being happy is also a way to keep people from your flanks from deflecting because it's an easy environment to work in, for that your workers have to feel they are not stagnated and are instrumental to the company, a piece of the puzzle if you will.
One thing that has been implemented on some industries with huge success was that people working on assembly lines or the products can ship in and give ideas of how to make it more effective, if their idea goes ahead and improves the product (or lowers costs/take it takes to build, dry, etc) they have a prize money. Sometimes it's the prize money that makes them think about it for a long time until they pitch it.
That keeps them engaged and a part of the company, even if you're the one that reaps the gains. That's very entranced in the car manufacturer business, probably the second reason the time it takes to build cars dropped so swiftly since the 80's after better machinery comes into play.
Orbis Tabula
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I can't believe that no one has posted this yet.
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SETTLE IT IN SMASH!
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SETTLE IT IN SMASH!
eudaemonic
Member
I feel like busting out my shoulder pads!
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
If I recall correctly wasn't there an anonymous confession in one of your confession threads from a guy who was hired to be a corporate spy to many several big companies?
Chris Farley
NotTheGuyYouKill
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OldKentuckyShark
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Find out what he worships and desecrate it.
Find out everything/everyone he loves, and take them away from him.
That should be a good start.
Find out everything/everyone he loves, and take them away from him.
That should be a good start.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Legato.Reborn-
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Sato Koiji
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Last boss Kevin Chang...his foes copy your attack...only if you get past them you can face him for the final battle!
My real question I have for you is if you want to destroy your rival, do you have any Lilly of The Valley?
NotTheGuyYouKill
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John Kowalski
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challenge him for a duel of the most dangerous game
Professor Renegade
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Challenge him to a pokemon battle
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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i know that feeling op, some fuckers here did the same they even wanted to pouch our best guys and best clients. i even felt like flagging they were evading taxes or some shit because of the ridiculous prices they were selling.
i dont really have an advice here aside from echoing what others posted but i wish you luck and i hope you succeed to take down the bastard
i dont really have an advice here aside from echoing what others posted but i wish you luck and i hope you succeed to take down the bastard
I am in a situation where I wish to utterly destroy a business rival of mine. How do I best go about it? His entire strategy is to copy our products and undercut us.
We've implemented plans to combat it successfully, but I want to go further and grind him into the dust.
I can help you with this. Just need deets.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Just add some chili p. to your formula, yo.
ActuallyHulk
Banned
To destroy him you must destroy his world.
Hire a man to seduce his wife.
Turn his children against him.
Hire a very skilled man to fudge a few numbers his company's books in the middle of the night then report him to the IRS.
Burn his home to the ground.
When he is utterly ruined he will come to you on bended knee. And that is when your victory is true. Reveal all that you have done and ensure that the last thing he sees is your face. Only then shall his ruinous destruction be full.
Hire a man to seduce his wife.
Turn his children against him.
Hire a very skilled man to fudge a few numbers his company's books in the middle of the night then report him to the IRS.
Burn his home to the ground.
When he is utterly ruined he will come to you on bended knee. And that is when your victory is true. Reveal all that you have done and ensure that the last thing he sees is your face. Only then shall his ruinous destruction be full.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
At what point is he supposed to sleep with his rival?
I... didn't understand that reference. lol
Damn, shuri are you for real asking someone if they are trolling? This is some meta shit
PeakPointMatrix
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Cut his penis off.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Our supplier offers a 30% discount on all inventory to contractors but they're a large Alpha-supplier. Offer something similar if your Beta-mom'n'pop shop can take the hit.
kutthoat5150
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I did an internship at a small medical practice where we had this same situation come up from a competitor who was horrible at his business but people still went to him because we were the new guys in town.
First make sure your marketing your business to the right customers and you know what channels well be more effective targeting them. Ex don't use Twitter or pintrest if your targeting older people or men.
Another thing is we had a good idea about what his running costs were and knew he couldn't keep up with us too long in a price war if we temporarily lowered our prices. A good way to do this without pissing off people is to advertise a seasonal or some kind of event sale that shows its not permanent.
If you know somebody who can go be a secret shopper at whatever he is doing you can get a lot of info about what he charges, equipment or other assets he has so you can start analyzing how much it cost to run his business and adjust your prices accordingly depending how fast you want him to gtfo.
First make sure your marketing your business to the right customers and you know what channels well be more effective targeting them. Ex don't use Twitter or pintrest if your targeting older people or men.
Another thing is we had a good idea about what his running costs were and knew he couldn't keep up with us too long in a price war if we temporarily lowered our prices. A good way to do this without pissing off people is to advertise a seasonal or some kind of event sale that shows its not permanent.
If you know somebody who can go be a secret shopper at whatever he is doing you can get a lot of info about what he charges, equipment or other assets he has so you can start analyzing how much it cost to run his business and adjust your prices accordingly depending how fast you want him to gtfo.
BronsonLee
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Do you know how freakin' hilarious him signing off every time with that goddamn tag was?
Him and Pimpwerx' PEACE are the standouts due to their complete inability to post without having it at the end of their posts
And that's enough reason to wish financial ruin upon him? That's a special kind of crazy.
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