Marvel's Phase 3 Announced: includes Black Panther, Captain Marvel

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Any idea if all the other characters will be involved in the Infinity War movies? I figure the GOTG, Panther, Ant Man, and Strange will be involved. But what about Captain Marvel and the Inhumans. I just get this feeling they'll be around somewhere but won't be involved in this huge ass fight.

I also wonder if they'll get the Defenders involved. But I assume they'll leave those guys out of the picture.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Any idea if all the other characters will be involved in the Infinity War movies? I figure the GOTG, Panther, Ant Man, and Strange will be involved. But what about Captain Marvel and the Inhumans. I just get this feeling they'll be around somewhere but won't be involved in this huge ass fight.

I also wonder if they'll get the Defenders involved. But I assume they'll leave those guys out of the picture.
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Inhumans and Captain Marvel will definitely be in Part 2. Otherwise what's the point in putting them between the two parts?
 
It's a shame the timeline of Captain America 1 didn't leave the possibility of an Invaders movie open. That would be a great flick to introduce Namor.
 
Blasian Persuasion said:
Do we all agree that Marvel would've benefited from Fantastic Four being in the universe?
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Mostly because FF is the comic that established all the cosmic shit. And thus Fox has control over tons of cosmic characters. But much like in comics, there is no guarantee they could pull FF off in true comic book fashion (much like Fox will never get it right). Deifnitely the hardest major team to write good stories for.
 
Darklord said:
Why have they just abandoned Hulk as a solo movie character?
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Because he doesnt sell that well and its difficulty to tell a story with him. Especially since people mistakenly think a Hulk movie should just be the Hulk smashing shit for 2 hours.
 
Blasian Persuasion said:
Do we all agree that Marvel would've benefited from Fantastic Four being in the universe?
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Fantastic Four themselves? Maybe. They'd seemingly fit well into the current MCU and of course you could maybe start thinking about doing an Illuminati thing.

But everything else that goes along with that property? Most assuredly yes. Galactus, Surfer, Annihilus, and the Badoon. And of course that magnificent bastard Dr. Doom.
 
rockman zx said:
Excuse my ignorance, is Spiderman owned by Sony forever?.
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In theory, no. In practice, maybe.
Sony can only go so long without releasing a Spider-Man movie (or at least making significant progress on one) before they lose the rights. No one is really sure exactly how long that is. But Sony seems determined to release whatever garbage they can come up with to keep them.

But Hulk and Iron Man (and several others) were sold under similar deals and Marvel got those back when the studios failed to deliver in time.
 
serenewarfare said:
Even if Marvel got the rights back and decided to re-cast almost everyone, I could not imagine anyone other than Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Like, I try and it just doesn't compute.
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Exactly, which is why I think their needs to be a healing or replenishing of the consumer base for it to ever be rebooted or properly integrated into an MCU plan.
 
injurai said:
Exactly, which is why I think their needs to be a healing or replenishing of the consumer base for it to ever be rebooted or properly integrated into an MCU plan.
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Why does there need to be a healing period? X-Men is bigger at the box office than ever.
 
Dai101 said:
According to Kevin Fifi, telling anything about Hulk would be spoilerish.
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Oh, god, 10/28/2014 as MCU ultra-hype day is killing me!
 
enzo_gt said:
This is pretty much how I feel. Fox films always seem to lack the attention to detail, characterization or some aspect of the film that makes me come out of the theatre wanting more.

Marvel just gets it from the jump. They understand the essence of the characters, maintain them, and then vary everything around that. As a huge X-Men fan, I still don't feel like Singer has captured a proper X-Men dynamic yet, and they haven't really come close since XM1&2. And then even those films have some pretty poor adaptations. Maybe 10 years from now I'll see similar shortcomings in Marvel's films but I doubt it.
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X-Men films will always be failures to me until they do Cyclops and Emma Frost justice.
 
TAJ said:
In theory, no. In practice, maybe.
Sony can only go so long without releasing a Spider-Man movie (or at least making significant progress on one) before they lose the rights. No one is really sure exactly how long that is. But Sony seems determined to release whatever garbage they can come up with to keep them.

But Hulk and Iron Man (and several others) were sold under similar deals and Marvel got those back when the studios failed to deliver in time.
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I believe the period is somewhere around 5-8 years. 10 max. Though that can be renegotiated if one of the sides has some leverage (i.e. Marvel trying to use Daredevil's license to get some of the cosmic-level stuff [supposedly Galactus] back from Fox).
 
HK-47 said:
Why does there need to be a healing period? X-Men is bigger at the box office than ever.
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What Fox has done with X-Men can't be integrated into MCU. Marvel would be best suited recasting everyone and starting fresh. But that wouldn't fly with the consumers who have such a strong pre-conceived notion for the casting and characters. Everything Marvel did would feel off, and as a result wouldn't be nearly has popular for it. It would flop regardless of how many other factors Marvel got right. Keeping the casting the same would only pose strange continuity problems, not to mention a lot of the casting is 14 years old now. That doesn't age well for planning future installments.

Fox X-Men must first be tapped out and wind-down. Then people need build up an appetite for a new X-Men and be comfortable having new actors cast to represent the characters. Even then expectations and preconceived notions will really wear heavily based on the incredible casting precedence that has been set.

That is why for things to change, there needs to be this cool down period. And By then MCU is rebooted or has entered into some next-gen Ultimate MCU chapter or something wild.
 
hodayathink said:
I believe the period is somewhere around 5-8 years. 10 max. Though that can be renegotiated if one of the sides has some leverage (i.e. Marvel trying to use Daredevil's license to get some of the cosmic-level stuff [supposedly Galactus] back from Fox).
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Which is why I said not sure exactly.
And Universal lost the rights to Hulk less than three years after their first Hulk movie was released.
 
injurai said:
What Fox has done with X-Men can't be integrated into MCU. Marvel would be best suited recasting everyone and starting fresh. But that wouldn't fly with the consumers who have such a strong pre-conceived notion for the casting and characters. Everything Marvel did would feel off, and as a result wouldn't be nearly has popular for it. It would flop regardless of how many other factors Marvel got right. Keeping the casting the same would only pose strange continuity problems, not to mention a lot of the casting is 14 years old now. That doesn't age well for planning future installments.

Fox X-Men must first be tapped out and wind-down. Then people need build up an appetite for a new X-Men and be comfortable having new actors cast to represent the characters. Even then expectations and preconceived notions will really wear heavily based on the incredible casting precedence that has been set.

That is why for things to change, there needs to be this cool down period. And By then MCU is rebooted or has entered into some next-gen Ultimate MCU chapter or something wild.
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But why are we even talking about this? Fox has a ton of good will coming off of DoFP. Its more likely Fox introduces new actors than the MCU ever getting their hands back on X-Men at this point. And like I said, the X-Men are better off in their own universe, so I'd consider them going back to Marvel to be a negative. This is all a pipedream for MCU fanboys.
 
HK-47 said:
But why are we even talking about this? Fox has a ton of good will coming off of DoFP. Its more likely Fox introduces new actors than the MCU ever getting their hands back on X-Men at this point. And like I said, the X-Men are better off in their own universe, so I'd consider them going back to Marvel to be a negative. This is all a pipedream for MCU fanboys.
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I was making a point and you choose to join the conversation about it. Someone made the point that they would shudder at the idea of X-Men done by Marvel. Read more aptly as by MCU Disney Marvel.

My point was that even if they got the rights back and did everything right, people would have too much of an idea of what Cinema X-Men is to make Marvel's take on it even worth it for them.

I think overall X-Men works better as it's own thing, but Avengers always works well with a few mutant additions. No reason to completely keep the separate if the rights were never split. It's not about MCU fanboys or X-Men purists. The point is that it's not a pipe dream, it wouldn't work for MCU or X-Men based on how they have been developed, and it wouldn't work for so many reasons. Not for the reason that Disney would intrinsically fuck it up. That was the point being made.
 
While I'm not sure I buy the "Planet Hulk" idea for Guardians 2, I do think it's odd that it is the only Marvel sequel (Other than IM2) without a subtitle. Which leads me to believe there is something they are hiding. I'm just not sure what that could be.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Any idea if all the other characters will be involved in the Infinity War movies? I figure the GOTG, Panther, Ant Man, and Strange will be involved. But what about Captain Marvel and the Inhumans. I just get this feeling they'll be around somewhere but won't be involved in this huge ass fight.

I also wonder if they'll get the Defenders involved. But I assume they'll leave those guys out of the picture.
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I had a initial knee jerk reaction when it was rumored that A3 would be split into two parts that this was following that annoying ass precedent the final Harry Potter set with splitting the last story in a franchise for maximum revenue, but when you have this many characters to work with and a story that is (should) as far reaching as Infinity Gauntlet I think it's a complete necessity to do it in two parts at the very least so everything can breathe.

I do not envy the person who has to figure out that logistical nightmare. I mean, the first Avengers was like 10 minutes for each character, I think I saw some place that laid out every bit of dialogue Banner got and it was 3 pages tops. A3 is gonna be insane.
 
The Silver said:
X-Men films will always be failures to me until they do Cyclops and Emma Frost justice.
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For me, it's Storm. Storm was one of the characters as a kid I felt embodied power, responsibility and maturity. I think in many ways she even broke gender expectations for me early on. She should ooze leadership.

In Singer's X-Men she was a glorified step-mom who took out the X-Mansion trash every week. As a result, the relationships between X-Men lost a certain.. unity? I was looking for.

I think Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto are the only characters Fox gives 100% of their attention. Which worked out well for First Class and The Wolverine (the latter which I feel is one of the best adaptations of a comic book storyline to film), but moving forward is a worry. I know most characters will get recast but I'm not particularly thrilled about some of the ones we already know about (Mystique, Gambit). Even in First Class/DoFP, most of the team members end up feeling periphery in favour of focusing on a few core relationships. Even dumping characters aside entirely once they're plot function is done with (QS).
 
serenewarfare said:
While I'm not sure I buy the "Planet Hulk" idea for Guardians 2, I do think it's odd that it is the only Marvel sequel (Other than IM2) without a subtitle. Which leads me to believe there is something they are hiding. I'm just not sure what that could be.
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They still have time to give it a subtitle. I assumed the "2" was just a stand-in until the event today, actually
 
Zeyphersan said:
They still have time to give it a subtitle. I assumed the "2" was just a stand-in until the event today, actually
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Yeah, that's my point. I think they have a subtitle already, but I think it might be a spoiler to reveal it now. That's the only reason I could think as to why they wouldn't mention it.
 
Why do people keep assuming Ironman/Cap will get killed? You know there are other ways to write them out right? Have them "retire," get sent/trapped in another dimension, or something like that. Just because they may not be able to show up in the immediate future doesn't mean they wouldn't renegotiate somewhere down the road. After all, Marvel will have ten of billions more in the bank by then and may be willing to write bigger checks.
 
enzo_gt said:
For me, it's Storm. Storm was one of the characters as a kid I felt embodied power, responsibility and maturity. I think in many ways she even broke gender expectations for me early on. She should ooze leadership.

In Singer's X-Men she was a glorified step-mom who took out the X-Mansion trash every week. As a result, the relationships between X-Men lost a certain.. unity? I was looking for.

I think Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto are the only characters Fox gives 100% of their attention. Which worked out well for First Class and The Wolverine (the latter which I feel is one of the best adaptations of a comic book storyline to film), but moving forward is a worry. I know most characters will get recast but I'm not particularly thrilled about some of the ones we already know about (Mystique, Gambit). Even in First Class/DoFP, most of the team members end up feeling periphery in favour of focusing on a few core relationships. Even dumping characters aside entirely once they're plot function is done with (QS).
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Its a movie though. Focusing on a few core relationships is why those movies are good. Its one of the reasons I dont like the Marvel movies as much cause everything feels thin, especially in Avengers and GotG. You dont have time for character or relationship development.
 
BobLoblaw said:
Why do people keep assuming Ironman/Cap will get killed? You know there are other ways to write them out right? Have them "retire," get sent/trapped in another dimension, or something like that. Just because they may not be able to show up in the immediate future doesn't mean they wouldn't renegotiate somewhere down the road. After all, Marvel will have ten of billions more in the bank by then and may be willing to write bigger checks.
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Killing them is a way of sending them off that tells people not to expect them back. They could still bring them back from death and explain it away, but they don't want fans watching every movie without Iron Man and Cap wondering when or if Iron Man or Cap will show up. Death is a way of squashing that while also leaving them open for return at some point. As for sending them to another dimension, that's essentially death. I mean, the general public thinks Red Skull is dead and I feel pretty damn certain that that isn't the case. He's just somewhere else in the universe.
 
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