The Artisan
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no man's sky
Console exclusives on PC
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Yeah fine, no games appeal to you on PS4, then keep to your pc and wait for a PS4 title to appeal to you. But demanding Sony to fund an RPG to get their system is entited, and oh not blood borne cause that is action rpg, yet you list the Witcher for PC.
That's exactly what I'm saying. A lot of people suffer form this on GAF.
Further, I think you'll find that "most of the popular indies" are not ported. Or rather, once they are being ported, many of them suddenly become "popular."
No, exclusives have an effect on sales for sure. But they are not the highest deciding factor, far from it. Multiplatform games and how they perform are much more important to the majority of gamers out there. You are looking through the eyes of the most hardcore players and forum posters and not the majority of the people that purchase this hardware.
I would guarantee that the majority of the PS4 sales did not come from people who were "waiting on the promise of exclusives" and more from people that were looking to play the latest Call of Duty, FIFA, Assassin's Creed games and the general consumer attitude that the PS4 is a better investment not only on price and hardware but Sony's focus on a consumer friendly attitude (at least having the appearance of being consumer friendly is extremely important for sales, far more important than having an exclusive game).
"People don't just randomly jump into a console ecosystem" - never said this
"Take a think about what comes to mind when you think of Playstation, when you think of Xbox, when you think of Nintendo" - when was this about me, a very hardcore gamer? think through the eyes of your average gamer. what does your average gamer want? understanding this is the first key step to understanding PS4's very high sales and Wii U's low sales.
"Exclusives absolutely drive the console market" - this is extremely false. it only drives a smaller subset of the market; an important one, but not majority of sales. Look at this PS4 launch lineup and tell me that exclusives are the driver of the sales with a straight face.
We've come a long way from you saying "consoles wouldn't exist without exclusives" to you now saying "the consoles wouldn't sell nearly as well without exclusives". I guess we're about 40% of the way to you now understanding the truth? The truth is that consoles would definitely take a hit from not having exclusives (the size of the hit being debatable, but assuredly not life-threatening), but they would never disappear.
The gaming/price/ecosystem/friends investment is very affordable and open to your average gamer that wants to play the most popular games with ease on their PS4.
Boss Man
Member
I hate this about Sony. Instead of using their stable of talented developers to make the types of games that people are clamoring for but third parties either refuse or are unable to do...they make Killzone.
Nintendo does exclusivity right because they have games that no one else can recreate.
Hell, even Microsoft has Halo still.
Sony just tosses out whatever type of game is popular (and people are already making - better usually). LBP stands out, if that's even first party.
This. Happy times for the
lol.
a hand holding platformer, an open world game that went away from what made it unique and shitty filmic game?
Yeah, those aren't convincing anyone to buy a system.
Bloodborne is cool though.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
The concept of exclusives per se is now only great for people reactions over the web (Which I enjoy greatly). But if I couldn't watch a Superman movie unless I went to a Warner theater like 60 years ago, then it would make my life less comfortable.
Denton
Banned
Really wish the word "entitled" could be banned, it has lots all its meaning by misuse like this. I am not demanding anything, I am just sighing that Sony funds plenty of mediocre games that get neither acclaim nor sales instead of funding games I (and plenty of other people) want to play. They have great internal teams, it would be nice if they put them to proper use.
Also, I don't know if you played Witcher and Dark Souls, but these games are very dissimilar. Sure they both have actiony combat, but Witcher is a lot more choice+consequence based.
Yep. I was excited about Order after the initial reveal...but it just haaaaad to turn out to be another railroad shooter.
Honestly, I think it's kind of annoying, mostly for silly illogical human reasons. There are enough games on the consoles to get me to buy them either way but I feel like my purchases and my choice to be a console gamer are less and less justified (but I won't actually be a PC gamer I can buy games physically without having to worry about any form of DRM or having games tied to an account).
King Gilga
Member
It's fine, makes me happy.
But now there's even less/no incentive for me to get a xbone/ps4.
But now there's even less/no incentive for me to get a xbone/ps4.
Boombloxer
Member
A lot of hyperbole with this post.
They have their AAA and also the shit that no one else tries. Folklore, Puppeteer, Journey, Rain, etc. as well as several games that people will the system for from GT to TLOU to Uncharted to God of War. If you actually look at an end of life list of the release list for PS3, the list is all over the place.
So, no, not really. To say that they just throw out whatever is popular is not really true. Even back in the day they had their Intelligent Qube, Colony Wars, Parappa to go with their Crash, FF and MGS.
Mass Effect
Member
I'm fine with this. It ensures that even though I am missing one of the consoles, I still get to play said games in question.
Holy shit, this has to be a joke post.
Holy shit, this has to be a joke post.
unless it's Elite Dangerous
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
This isn't really a new trend. Its just that when it happened last gen on the 360 all the time people didn't consider 360/PC releases to be "exclusive". The more games we get on PC, the better.
This perception is so common here. I feel like it needs an official name.
lyrick
Member
I like how you name off a couple of third party developed (or codeveloped) titles (by Game Republic, Thatgamecompany, Acquire) Then name a couple of titles that were heavily inspired by any other racing Sim, any other Zombie game, Tomb Raider and Rygar the Legendary Adventures.
I think that helped your point a lot.
Wildschwein
Member
I think we're missing the most important part here. PC versions of new games allow devs to experiment with new graphical/technical options and more powerful hardware in a very open environment. You know that super pretty graphical option that still runs like shit on your SLI 980's? Congrats, you're a test subject. But give it a few years and maybe they'll have optimized the crap out of it and gotten it working on consoles. At least, they could have it prepped and ready for new hardware in the future. Its a good option for devs to have.
I wonder if someday we'll see a PC stakeholder start to embrace this distinction and want to advertise their platform, using the same logic: "we don't need to mention consoles because PC is separate".
Then we could line up two boxes for the same game for a side by side picture:
PC box: "Steam exclusive"
Console box: "PS4 exclusive"
Then we could line up two boxes for the same game for a side by side picture:
PC box: "Steam exclusive"
Console box: "PS4 exclusive"
Beerman462
Member
Yeah its getting really tough to make a decision at this point. I wanted to get a PS4 with the release of Blood Bourne and to eventually get UC4. The thought paying $400 for those two games is really getting to me and I don't think I'm going to especially at $400. My PC is fine ATM I can play games a little above PS4 settings and get 1080/30. I really want games to run better though. So that $400 would be better spent on a new GPU. So many decisions.
I like how you dismiss his point in that Sony funds their usual AAA style games while making smaller, "niche" or unique experiences on the side too. What he said is valid and you seem to just not give any of their IPs a chance because you have this mentality of superiority. (dont give a bad name to PC gamers if you are one) "Oh lol TLoU is another zombie game...ahahahaha" right thats why it has won tons of awards and was well received across the industry. On the other side they have Journey which is another great IP from Sony. It doesnt matter who made it and the point was that they fund said games and not just churn out dude bro shooters. The rest of your "comparisons" are weak and make you seem silly.
FYI his replay was to Fancy Corndog and I agree what he said is pure hyperbole. MS and Nintendo can keep churning their IPs (rehashing Mario and Halo apparently get a pass) but god forbid Sony does too from their IPs because they are just doing dude bro shooters and nothing else.
(Note: I think KZSF is one of the worst game from their KZ franchise in case you think Im defending it)
On topic, I really hope that more and more games keep coming to PC such as SFV, especially if they are cross multiplayer. (something I have wished was on consoles!) Having these releases on PC means we can have the best possible version. Mods+patches make the improvements be endless compare to console versions which tend to be held back by the hardware. The best thing about PC gaming is that prices tend to drop fast! So building a Library turns out to be easy, you spend all spare cash buying deals and end up having a huge backlog that never ends. Heheh.
Third party exlcusives shouldn't even exist anymore in 2014 anymore imo.
It's Sony's, MS's and Nintendo's jobs to develop their own studios and create 1st party exclusive experiences that would make a customer want to buy their machines, alongside the hardware experience (which will be as powerful/ unique in its features and UI as they can), but all the third party software should exist everywhere, no reason not to frankly (it's bad for the devs and customers, only the publisher getting a guaranteed paycheck will sometime find any advantage to any form of exclusivity).
On the other side, the PC will pretty much always have some Cons to its many Pros (huge customizations possible, if you have the -now fairly low level- knowledge and the $$ for it, high level APIs required due to hardware custoimzation, etc.), but also a hugely dedicated fan base (and now growing instead of dwindling) and some features that wil hardly be able to be reproduced on consoles, by choice of hardware makers or simply by nature (Free Online, Mods, Advanced Audio and Video settings, etc.)
It's Sony's, MS's and Nintendo's jobs to develop their own studios and create 1st party exclusive experiences that would make a customer want to buy their machines, alongside the hardware experience (which will be as powerful/ unique in its features and UI as they can), but all the third party software should exist everywhere, no reason not to frankly (it's bad for the devs and customers, only the publisher getting a guaranteed paycheck will sometime find any advantage to any form of exclusivity).
On the other side, the PC will pretty much always have some Cons to its many Pros (huge customizations possible, if you have the -now fairly low level- knowledge and the $$ for it, high level APIs required due to hardware custoimzation, etc.), but also a hugely dedicated fan base (and now growing instead of dwindling) and some features that wil hardly be able to be reproduced on consoles, by choice of hardware makers or simply by nature (Free Online, Mods, Advanced Audio and Video settings, etc.)
If you think Microsoft and Nintendo just rehash Halo and Mario you're... not really paying attention to either.
ISee
Member
Is this a new trend? It must be with consoles being closer to PC architecture then ever (besides different APIs etc.). PC gaming is the future. Let's party.
Well I do not think so. I do not see a new trend, I see the same old road we (PC gamers) are driving now for a very long time.
Xbox games already had a tendency to show up on PC, that is nothing new. Jade empire, Gears of War 1, Fable and the famous Halo 1+2 had their PC ports just to name a few. We even had games like Shadow Run (aka the bad shooter) with PvP between 360 and PC players. Some Xbox ONE games will show up on PC (I even bet sunset overdrive and Quantum break will get a PC release in the future) others won't. Nothing new here.
But now traditional japanese developers start to port their games for PC. That is a new trend.
Not really. We also had our Resident evil (even part 4), Street Fighter 2, Final Fantasy 7, Metal gear solid (etc.) ports in the past. Granted they normaly showed up about a year late and were terrible ports but we had them.
And it's the same situation now. MGS:GZ shows up about a year late, SF IV showed up ~6 months after the consoel release and Ensalved:Odyssey to the west showed up 3 years later (great game btw, buy it!). Occasionally japanese developers release a PC Port, nothing new here too.
So, maybe I am a pessimist but I do not see a new trend for PC gaming. It's the same as ever.
Well I do not think so. I do not see a new trend, I see the same old road we (PC gamers) are driving now for a very long time.
Xbox games already had a tendency to show up on PC, that is nothing new. Jade empire, Gears of War 1, Fable and the famous Halo 1+2 had their PC ports just to name a few. We even had games like Shadow Run (aka the bad shooter) with PvP between 360 and PC players. Some Xbox ONE games will show up on PC (I even bet sunset overdrive and Quantum break will get a PC release in the future) others won't. Nothing new here.
But now traditional japanese developers start to port their games for PC. That is a new trend.
Not really. We also had our Resident evil (even part 4), Street Fighter 2, Final Fantasy 7, Metal gear solid (etc.) ports in the past. Granted they normaly showed up about a year late and were terrible ports but we had them.
And it's the same situation now. MGS:GZ shows up about a year late, SF IV showed up ~6 months after the consoel release and Ensalved:Odyssey to the west showed up 3 years later (great game btw, buy it!). Occasionally japanese developers release a PC Port, nothing new here too.
So, maybe I am a pessimist but I do not see a new trend for PC gaming. It's the same as ever.
Of course not, Im going by what Fancy said and what Lyrick was dismissing the other person.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
FF14 is an MMO and is not really a console exclusive. Its not on XB1 due to XBL rules.
ROTR is not an exclusive, its a multiplat title that MS got timed exclusivity for.
Ryse and DR3 are both MSS publoished titles iirc. It seems MS is okay with porting their titles to PC.
SFV is an interesting case.....despite Sony funding it (or partially) they are also open to it being on PC.
Microsoft have nothing to do with DR3 and Ryse being on PC.
ScepticMatt
Member
/s ?
oh wait you're serious?
I'm too lazy to make a big list, so I list just some 2014 games from the back of my head
Civilization: Beyond Earth
Wasteland 2
Divinity: Original Sin
Sims 4
Elite: Dangerous
Might & Magic X: Legacy
Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft (also on Android/iOS)
Kerbal Space Program
Assetto Corsa
Dreamfall Chapters: The Longest Journey
Football Manager 2015
http://www.gdceurope.com/news/2014/07/game-devs-flock-to-vr-as-steam.html
What? Infamous, Uncharted. the Last of Us......
So what types of games do you want Sony to Create?
All Nintendo does is make first party games so they better be good.
If Halo is the only game you mention for MS than Sony is just fine.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Final fantasy 7!
(tee hee)
(tee hee)
Slightly off-topic, but I still think "console exclusive" is one of the least useful terms in the industry. Blegh. Is it a game that's exclusive to a single console? A game that is exclusive to a single console, but also on PC? A game that's exclusive to consoles only and not available on PC?
I dont think these are big, Ryse is just a first xbox one game, that is why it got the extra fame.
FF has lost all its appeal since FF13 and FF15 is not exclusive i think to either console.
Tomb raider has never been exclusive to one system, i am not sure about this new one though, but still is not something that has a following specifically in one system or was never on PC and is strange to see it going there
If games like Zelda WiiU and Bloodborn come to PC, then these would be big news, the listed ones are either not exclusive or have been on PC for years as a series
In my mind it is much bigger than Witcher 2-3 and Elder Scrolls are now officially on consoles, two series that seemed to have zero chance to go there a few years ago. Now that is big news.
Usually i buy systems for that one game, Bloodborn will make me get a PS4 and Zelda WiiU a WiiU
But usually, 99% of the time there are at least 5-10 more top games i get with each system later, the only time i was dissapointed was the Wii, but even that had 3 top games.
So, essentially you may buy for one game, but most probably will get multiple amazing exclusives down the line.
VFX_Veteran
Banned
It would mean that we'd get the floodgates opened up to make the games even more impressive. I'm all for it. Almost every port this gen has seen a significant jump in visuals from the console equivalents.
Denton
Banned
Why's that? Am I missing some awesome wRPGs on playstation?
That is puzzling indeed. But more puzzling is why there games are labeled as top.
Most of those are totally out of my radar and none is a game i would buy, unless something trully special happened.
Bloodborn and Bayonetta are top and are not going to PC most probably.
its console exclusive to sony's consoles
this is about games that are exclusive to one companies console(s) but also on pc.
FF14 is very valid
Domcorleone
Member
list the similarites between the original Tomb Raider games and Uncharted.
I want gameplay and game mechanics similarites.
I'll wait. I'm sure you'll pull examples out your ass too.
Personally, I love it. I have zero desire to pick up Xbone and PS4 because of it. Only Wii U offers a unique experience due to Nintendo's 1st party and how isolated they are compared to the rest of the industry.
And even then... I don't miss it. My time is limited and the amount of games are limited. I don't have any desire to experience yet another Uncharted adventure or Halo shooter. I won't complain if I play them, but its also a feeling I had before. If I get the desire for something similar, I could just replace it with the new Tomb Raider. This has been the backside of the AAA gaming which Sony and MS have been hinging since last generation.
And even then... I don't miss it. My time is limited and the amount of games are limited. I don't have any desire to experience yet another Uncharted adventure or Halo shooter. I won't complain if I play them, but its also a feeling I had before. If I get the desire for something similar, I could just replace it with the new Tomb Raider. This has been the backside of the AAA gaming which Sony and MS have been hinging since last generation.
OsirisBlack
Banned
The tone in this thread is pretty sad.
The other side of that coin is that there are more PC games being made available for console also. So everyone is getting more games.
Just so you know having played both of them the game you said was cool is currently not as fun as the one you called shitty. Just a heads up.
garginator850
Banned
At the end of the day
PC wins
PC wins
LowEndTorque
Member
The trend is also going the other way with games that were traditionally PC exclusive like the Witcher, Diablo and Planetside and loads of PC indie games coming to consoles. Basically 3rd party publishers are beginning to understand that it makes sense to put their product on as many platforms as possible.