Huge Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch Retcon in Axis #7 (SPOILERS)
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I mean, the 1983 retcon had them being delivered by a cow. That is how Mags found out they were his kids, because the evolved cow told him years later that she delivered them from his estranged wife. And everyone took it as the truth and went about their ways. At least Lorna got an actual DNA paternity test.
So I guess Marvel's explanation will be that Bova was full of shit.
googleplex
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Again not necessarily. Continuites can become convoluted over time, it doesn't have to start that way.
Personally I'm in favor of just ending stories after their arcs are completed. If it was up to me Most of the major characters would have retired been written out by now.
tkscz
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The way they've been acting about this situation, I wouldn't doubt it. I'm not sure why they hate FOX's use of the characters, except for "we want that money, give us our characters". Do they get royalties for the X-men movies?
Yes, but it's literally pocket change in comparison to the rest of their sources of revenue.
GrandHarrier
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I can't even imagine being a Marvel comic reader at this point. They are so slavishly devoted to their money making movie universe that the books themselves suffer from this sort of ridiculous editorial dictation.
Oh, I'm sorry. Marvel editorial would never push their writers to do this sort of thing. Sunshine and roses over at Marvel with writers free to express themselves in their stories without editorial overreach, right?
Oh, I'm sorry. Marvel editorial would never push their writers to do this sort of thing. Sunshine and roses over at Marvel with writers free to express themselves in their stories without editorial overreach, right?
I can't even imagine being a Marvel comic reader at this point. They are so slavishly devoted to their money making movie universe that the books themselves suffer from this sort of ridiculous editorial dictation.
Oh, I'm sorry. Marvel editorial would never push their writers to do this sort of thing. Sunshine and roses over at Marvel with writers free to express themselves in their stories without editorial overreach, right?
I'm guessing you have never been a marvel fan?
This is nothing compared to some of the editorial mandates that have come through over the history of the company.
This seems so pointless and will only bother regular readers while the movie audience probably couldn't care less.
Never trust a cowI mean, the 1983 retcon had them being delivered by a cow. That is how Mags found out they were his kids, because the evolved cow told him years later that she delivered them from his estranged wife. And everyone took it as the truth and went about their ways. At least Lorna got an actual DNA paternity test.
So I guess Marvel's explanation will be that Bova was full of shit.
GrandHarrier
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Lapsed fan. I grew up reading Marvel comics / watching the 90s cartoons. And I'm aware. I'm just having a good chortle at all of this. But I do firmly believe that this Movie Marvel focus is going to severely damage their comic line for readers more so than any of their other initiatives, in the long run.
googleplex
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Fixed
Glass Rebel
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I can't even imagine being a Marvel comic reader at this point. They are so slavishly devoted to their money making movie universe that the books themselves suffer from this sort of ridiculous editorial dictation.
Oh, I'm sorry. Marvel editorial would never push their writers to do this sort of thing. Sunshine and roses over at Marvel with writers free to express themselves in their stories without editorial overreach, right?
Only focus on single runs of your favorite writers and ignore the big event/crossover stuff? I dunno, it's working out pretty well for me but I'm not sure how much I need to read to count as a "Marvel comic reader".
HP_Wuvcraft
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Which is the real sad part.
I rolled my eyes when Marvel decided to kill off FF due to the movie rights. I understood, but rolled my eyes.
Now this?
We are going to see a major fucking shift in comics over the next few years just due to shitty contracts.
UltraGunner
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Obviously clearing any baggage for their new movie origins
so literally bullshiting Mags
Tomato tamato
Makes me think, House of M was even a bigger lie than it already was lol
It was hilarious to see people defending that move like it wasn't indicative of what's to come
WanderingWind
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Inhumans are dumb anyway. "Oh look, I have hair power." Pbth.
Did you ever read Inhumans?
freeofgreed
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Sigh. I love the MCU but the amount of influence Marvel lets it have over the comics is disgusting.
To be fair, we haven't seen Marvel's MCU take on Quicksilver.
Sadly it's not just the comics, It's practically everything. Hell, Disney's now marketing Rocket Raccoon as a key Marvel character alongside Spider-Man & Iron Man.
Not that I hate Rocket, it's just a bit too soon to give him such advertising.
You can't just look at one book(or even a single company) to judge the entire industry.That's like saying video games are terrible because you don't like EA.
Singler didn't do anything with the character.
Higgins113
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Who is Huge Quicksilver?
We don't know if they are Inhumans or not.
It's not confirmed if they're Inhumans or not.
You're right. I do like reading graphic novels, and one offs. But the superhero month to month stuff is really bad.
Is this supposed to make Fox give back the X-men license to Marvel studios? Because unless Apocalypse is a bomb of epic proportion, that's not going to happen. DoFP (movie) made insane amounts of money compared to previous X-men films, Fox isn't going to let go anytime soon if they can. It's not like they'll face a lack of material anytime soon.
It gives those who are getting into comics the perception that they were never mutants or Magneto's kids, thus making the ignorant ones believe Fox is messing with the source material more than they really are.
Nah, I doubt it really has anything to do with it. The comics and the movies don't really have much to do with each other these days outside of cross promotional stuff. Whether the characters are mutants or whether they are "really" Magneto's children will have no impact on the contracts. Those have all been sorted out by legal.
But no one is really "getting into comics" these days. It's an industry in decline. The movies reach a far wider audience than the comics could ever hope to. In the end the significance is basically zero.
So nobody. Anyone who is getting into comics would know for the past 50 years they were Magnetos kids. Comics are a declining industry in which nobody reading them can have an actual impact on the box-office.
NeonZ
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They can't really make complete reboots, otherwise they'd lose many of their books and end up with smaller line overall. So, every reboot they've done is partial, keeping some old stories, but this just creates problems since characters and elements that appear in those old stories don't exist anymore. It's also often not even clear which past stories still count.
The reboot following Crisis couldn't even keep consistency with Crisis itself. The Crisis series ends with, for example, Superman pretty much unchanged, and his solo series still continued for quite a few months in the now single unified Earth. Then, months after Crisis, we suddenly get a rebooted Superman restarting from his origin story, then his new origin made the Legion of Super Hero's backstory impossible, which led to a series of further retcons, since it was a big book at the time and DC wouldn't just throw it away. Of course, those retcons basically destroyed the franchise, which has never been stable since then...
DC's reboots have always been a mess.
For the first 20 years of their existence they weren't mutants so it probably depends on the reader.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are tied more to the Avengers so Marvel can use them however they want as long as they don't use the word mutant in the films.
DC just didn't want to mess with Batman and Green Lantern was hot coming off of Blackest Night so they decided to do a lazy reboot in order to keep those books close to where they were. Every other issue is just questionable choices with certain characters IMO.
No, it's not that simple. Lawyers aren't morons. Fox's deal is for the X-Men franchise on film. They are allowed to use characters, stories, and concepts which are primarily introduced in X-Men comics and of direct relation to the X-Men world. It would be impossible to argue that the main members of X-Men and Xavier are not exclusively X-Men characters even if Marvel were to claim mutants don't exist in the comics anymore and call the team something else. Copyright and trademark law doesn't really give a shit about "canon", lol.
NeonZ
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There was also a lot of confusion initially about what still counted and what didn't, like early references to previous Titans, the Outsiders, etc. Now, for most of that, they eventually just dismissed it all as mistakes, but there's still some stories that they want to keep there somehow even though they just don't work, like Doomsday killing Superman at some point during the 5 year time skip.
googleplex
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Ultimate Peter's death sucked but Miles has been great.
I had no real issues with Miles and I loved Pichelli's art, decent character but I thought his support cast was very weak, his villains were meh, and every fight was finished with the same move (Venom Blast I think?)..I vaguely remember it also having a lot of problems with it's release schedule too, sometimes several months between issues?
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Peter back for good, or is it a fakeout? I recall the Ultimate Universe was meant to be all deaths are final...though they kinda screwed that early with Beast..
It doesn't seem to be a fake out, and the arc ended without any hints otherwise, but there's more to the story that will probably be touched on next year.
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