GuessMyUserName
Member
Why do people still do thisssss
You'd think 4 years after release this confusion would stop...
NoA: "there are more great games on Nintendo platforms than anywhere else!"
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Why do people still do thisssss
You'd think 4 years after release this confusion would stop...
Sorry, my sarcasm is not clear enough.
LQX
Member
Should have done more than make a damn flyer Nintendo. MS and Sony offered fresh new bundles to entice buyers meanwhile theye basically watched them from the sidelines entice black Friday and Christmas shoppers. No excuse for not pushing the Wii U harder with maybe $249 price point and maybe Super Smash Bundle.
That said I partly agree. Wii U has some great first party titles, not sure anything there though trumps Minecraft for a lot of kids.
That said I partly agree. Wii U has some great first party titles, not sure anything there though trumps Minecraft for a lot of kids.
Wickerbasket
Member
Sometimes having the best games isn't good enough. They also have to be games that people want to play.
The Wii U suffers especially bad from this; it's got a lot of great, high scoring games, that aren't in genres that the masses like to play.
Nintendo needs to know who their market is and who they're selling to. Their hardcore Nintendo fan base shrinks with each generation, they won't always be able to depend on them.
The Wii U suffers especially bad from this; it's got a lot of great, high scoring games, that aren't in genres that the masses like to play.
Nintendo needs to know who their market is and who they're selling to. Their hardcore Nintendo fan base shrinks with each generation, they won't always be able to depend on them.
grap3fruitman
Banned
What's the other list though? Quality, not quantity. Right, Nintendo?
Please update the OP if it is known. Or let's put it together.
Please update the OP if it is known. Or let's put it together.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
Dragon Age: Inquisition has a 5.8 user score.
Yeah, Nintendo absolutely included the user score metric as a bullshit spin tactic to make their list, because without that and the arbitrary removal of digital titles, the entire argument of having "more great games...than anywhere else" falls apart.
Recently, I purchased a Wii U and I am perfectly happy with it. And that is without having to lie to myself or anyone else to make it look better than it really is. Its got a surprisingly robust library and its only getting better. This kind of PR crap is pointless.
GreyOcelot
Member
this is silly. bayonetta 1? really?
To be fair, DA:I has been an on-and-off buggy ride for me on my PC and I find the combat in the game to be dreadful. I really like the game but I wouldn't be giving it anything higher than a 7 when one of the major components of the game bores me to tears. User scores don't necessarily mean people were trolling, they could just be unhappy on the by with various things that ultimately hurt the review.
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
Oooh, nice to see PQ there!
Good points made Wickerbasket. Nintendo may have refocused its efforts on its fanbase and continues to release generally good quality titles, but it has made no real major difference in sales. Nintendo can throw out % numbers all wants, but it is a case of too little, too late. Sony and Microsoft may offer boring, straight forward consoles, but it's what the masses want. Nintendo's willingness to risk everything on differentiating its hardware in order to be profitable without direct competition and changing how we play has come at a price. Of course, even if Nintendo tried being a direct competitor again, they would still be in third place due to demographic issues and marketing challenges and third party relations ready to ditch Nintendo at the first sign of initially poor install base growth and weak third party sales regardless of the quality of the games they'll produce on it.
Khaos_Knight
Banned
"there are more great games on Nintendo platforms than anywhere else!"
No Far Cry 4, Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age Inquisition, Advanced Warfare, GTAV, or Diablo 3. Nintendo has a great 1st party lineup but their lack of 3rd party support is crippling. It basically forces consumers to make WiiU a secondary console after they've already bought a PS4 or XBO, and it reflects in sales.
M1ch04c4n0
Banned
Well, is true. If the "mases" don't want those games, the mases are wrong.
I also detected some salt. Completely understandable.
Good for Nintendo.
I also detected some salt. Completely understandable.
Good for Nintendo.
Beelzebufo
Banned
They factored in third parties though. It's still factually true. I don't see why you're having such a problem with this haha.
Sony told me the PS3 only does everything and that kind of PR crap was pointless, too. I purchased one and was perfectly happy with it but it's a bullshit spin tactic. Quick, someone make a thread. While we're at it, Sony says Greatness Awaits on the PS4 and they are a bunch of liars if they think more greatness is awaiting inside a PS4 than other consoles. We need two threads now!
This industry is just a bunch of companies talking about copies shipped and registered users, leading one market among one set of consoles during one month, anything to distract people from talking about actual, real sales numbers. You might not like how Nintendo's sliced the pie but at least it's a real quantifiable point. This probably isn't the most egregious set of numbers released by a game company just today. Under what parameters does one define a good game? If you're looking to something like Metacritic, 85 and 85 has a certain logic to it. As for leaving off digital titles, absolutely every company does that and frankly the common consumer won't care. Besides which some top-notch digital stuff on Nintendo consoles gets lopped off too, perhaps more than on PS4 or Xbone.
PC for those games; free online and the most future proof platform. In some cases vastly better controls, FPS/RTS.
Either way you have to own something that's not a Wii U if you want to play third party games. Whether that is a console or a PC is completely irrelevant.
Nintendo makes mostly cartoony, family-friendly games, while PS4/XB1 have the more realistic games that aren't so approachable for the whole family. One glance at a Walmart game shelf will make that apparent.
This has nothing to do with my individual personal tastes or bias- I am simply looking at it from the average joe Walmart shopper perspective.
The bottom line is that PC/Nintendo covers the most bases, especially now that franchises like MGS and GTA are PC bound.
From where I'm standing you're buying a PS4 for Sony 1st party games and a couple of console exclusives. On top of that pay for online. How anyone can use that as their base for gaming is beyond me, and fill it out with a random assortment of indie games, only a small portion of everything available on a PC.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
This sort of logic (which Nintendo seems to believe as well) is why Nintendo is spending so much time at third place.
OuterLimits
Member
Was the Vita not included? Some good scoring games on that system.
Granted, Sony often seems to pretend the Vita doesn't exist as well and rarely promotes it in their own advertisements.
Granted, Sony often seems to pretend the Vita doesn't exist as well and rarely promotes it in their own advertisements.
I agree. The Nintendo platform that spent the most time at first place was choke full of shovelware. Take that from the masses and like flies they will fly to the next turd.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
Except PS4 & X1 tho, right?
This is a prove that why user score should not count.
You're right, but a PC has not been and will never be a suitable gaming platform for all people.
For those who can't or don't want to deal with the unique issues the come with PC gaming (I've been gaming on PC for 25 years so don't try and tell me they don't exist) the PS4 and the Xbox One are the platform they will be playing both third party games and exclusive games on.
Hence why I said it's irrelevant if it's PC/PS4 or Xbox One. All that is relevant is the games are not on Wii U. PC might serve you but PS4 and Xbox One serve the exact same purpose for millions of others. Clearly they don't think they'd be served by Wii U or sales would be a lot higher.
None of that changes the fact that the WiiU is still primarily a secondary platform. My point was that people who want to play a wide assortment of games are going to have to own another console or gaming PC. If all I owned was a PS4 then I would have access to almost every major 3rd party titles, tons of indies, and a solid lineup of 1st party titles. Only owning a WiiU I would have little to no 3rd party games, a very weak lineup of indies, and admittedly great 1st party games. Unfortunately the 1st party lineup just isn't enough to compensate for the lack of 3rd party support.
Now I do own both a PS4 and a WiiU but I think you understand my point.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
If you were on a car-centric forum, you can bet your butt there would be 14 page discussions of those "best in class" claims.
JordanN
Banned
Anyone else find it BS Wii U gets a free pass for hiding behind another platform?
Paying a $1000 sure isn't going to make the PS4/XBO look less attractive when it does 1st party and 3rd party support for far less.
I also think a lot of us sometimes forget that it's not the norm to own multiple consoles. It may be on GAF but outside of our box it's not so common. A single console gamer will be playing everything on the same device and the lack of third party support makes the Wii U seem like a poor choice when owning 2 or 3 consoles isn't really an option.
Console Wars + Salt = Your answer.
I also find it strange that people are hating on Nintendo for using User scores, Nintendo have actively been saying FU to the media for years, why then would it be a suprise that they value users opinions more than said media? I thought we already covered this with the No Nintendo at E3 and direct threads.
Just as no man is an island, no console/platform can stand alone as the only provider for great games. Long live PC + multiple consoles I say.
Is it a game? Yes
Is it on the Wii U? Yes
Does it meet their metric? Yes.
Why not Bayonetta 1?
Sorry but I don't really accept that when I don't even have the time to play all the great games on 1 platform let alone 3 of them (4 if you include PC) . You won't get to play everything if you only stick to 1 platform but unless you've got a hell of a lot of free time you'll find more than enough quality to keep you occupied. If I quit my job today it'd be years before I got through my Steam and PS4 backlogs, and that's if I ignored everything new. The glut of quality gaming is real for all but the most cynical of us.
It's delusional to think Nintendo doesn't need third parties.
WolfForager
Member
And yet I have absolutely no intention of ever buying a Wii U or any other Nintendo products.
Good old statistics eh, they can be spun to show anything.
Good old statistics eh, they can be spun to show anything.
Nintendo didn't claim they could cure you of being a fanboy so I'm not sure what your post has to do with the thread.
Are we talking about the user scores that are made by fanboys and/or people who haven't even played the game?
Honestly, the last thing I would use to determine whether a game is good or not is Metacritic user reviews. Go look at some of the GTA:V ones. People giving it a 0 on current-gen systems and saying it doesn't look or play any better than previous gen. And dozens of other users agree with them. There are plenty of equally nonsensical reviews, like one saying it's no different than GTA:IV in terms of things to do.
Even positive reviews make no sense. One person is heavily criticizing the game yet gives it a 10. I'd read through more to give more examples, but I think the point was made that reviews on there are made by people not qualified to give an informed and unbiased score. Some are, but most aren't.
Don't forget you have to pay hundreds of dollars per month to play online on that 1000 dollar pc. Broadband is expensive and your Titan needs it to process ... Uh...tressphysx?
How does one not liking something make that person a fanboy?
JordanN
Banned
No.
Nintendo doesn't own PC. It would be nice if people finally de-grouped the two [in these comparisons].
Even at a more realistic price range I don't see how Wii U + PC is an attractive prospect to someone who wasn't already into PC gaming in the first place.
Read the post I quoted if you're confused, seems pretty self explanatory to me.
Linkstrikesback
Member
It is factually true, while at the same time being almost the worst level of complete marketting bullpoop,
WolfForager
Member
Ah the fanboy card, good call.
Nintendo claim they have great games, and that's a very general claim to make, it's a claim that applies to everyone.
Now what I was saying was that Nintendo's claim has absolute no sway on me and I would say many others, as can be seen by the Wii U's abysmal sales in comparison to the PS4 and Xbone, platforms that reportedly only have 8 "great" games. Therefore showing that their claim is complete and utter bollocks, to put it in Saturday morning terms.
Sure if your trying to play every single game, however most people stick to certain genres or highly rated/recommended games. In addition I'd guess most people do not complete every game either. Certainly a single platform can satisfy your gaming needs, however as every game is not on one platform owning several increases your options and thus your satisfaction.
Again this is totally subjective on tastes and gaming habits so there is not right or wrong answer I'm just offering a counter point to your (valid) counter point for the sake of the discussion
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