Cruise Missile
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Looks like it has potential.
Fantastic Four Trailer # 1
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heh, that's quite a few vague qualifiers. How serious is serious? How much levity can one movie have before it loses serious status? Because Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Solider, et al. are pretty faithful to their source material (in tone at least, if not in actual content) AND well-received AND successful, but does that not count until they meet a certain threshold of seriousness? And it's not as if there haven't misfires precisely because they were too serious.
But ok, welcome to the bold new direction of better safe than sorry
crimsonspider89
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Quit. The guy is a full through MCU hater he just acts like he doesn't. Check his post in the fox x men show thread.
Avengers is not serious, Iron man is indeed a success (and an easier property than the FF4) that was obliterated by its tonally different sequels, Winter Soldier was actually solid good but went nuts at the third act (sadly).
That's it.
The Batman films were succesful by removing the bat family, the fantasy and the robin relationship, not because they are bad, but because they're hard to adapt. That direction still gave us the best cbm movies around which are far and away from all the others from a pure film perspective. The Xmen series found more success in the drama between characters than in the save the world storylines.
I think there's a big difference of expectations between wanting a good adaptation and a good movie using adapted charcters IMO and that where this "tone feud" comes from.
bodyboarder
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Looked ok. I'll watch it.
crimsonspider89
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Yeah no. TDKR was stupid. So only two. And TDKR happened due to people saying you don't have to adapt the material.
There has been much more fuck ups on your side than on the adaptation side.
And what about there was no emotional value to DoFP's death scense since we didn't know any of the future mutants? Or how about how nonsensical the entire Sentinel scene was in the past with Mags?
That was much more stupid than the Helicarrier scene.
Check out this awesome trailer mash up with Interstellar music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDv2U8Ioi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDv2U8Ioi8
You'll never convince anyone that the TDKR is a bad movie. It's a little more "out there" than the other 2, and that's because it went a little overboard with the over-the-topness. In terms of care for the characters and world building the Nolan trilogy is unmatched by far, sadly.
I agree with you with there being more fuck ups in the loose adaption path, there have been lots of terrible movies like that, Elektra, The Punisher, ASM2. Now, it's up to you to think which of the two approaches have delivered better films overall, or if you care about that. I won't attack the position of someone who loves the characters and love the way they're being brought to life, it's like, I love say, Megaman, and there is a Megaman film series that translates the world very well, I'd love it no matter its "artistic value" as it has enough value for me.
The sin comes when that "personal value" is being put forefront for other people to dispatch their opinions (see: "only marvel knows how to make good cbm, the marvel approach is the best and only approach, poor ____, trying to catch up with marvel, Guardians of the Galaxy is the BEST movie of last year" etc etc etc). That is being seen too much in this forum.
I think tone and faithfullness should be taken into consideration, but not over artistic intent. That is, for me, the most important aspect of a film, being a cbm or not. Nolan had an artistic vision for Batman and he succeeded, Snyder had one for MoS and it didn't succeed that much, I'd argue Whedon HAD an artistic vision fo the Avengers and it clearly succeded just like GoTG is the result of an artist (even if I hated that kind of vision). Now, some other Marvel AND dc films are clearly the result of corporate vision which is imo completely devoid of artistic value, BUT it might be of value for those who are invested in the characters. Whatever the result is, a film is satisfying at subjective levels, and the objective analysis might come from varying approaches, which makes difficult the "judgment" of a film for its sole existance.
Like some are doing with this one.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that they're shooting for a hard science-fiction/body horror/Interstellar vibe, this film would not even be on my radar. It seems to work so well for the concept of The Fantastic Four, they're the essential SCIENCE heroes.
And I really like the ideas that superhero is not a genre, but something that is filtered through other genres. Winter Soldier is a political thriller. The Dark Knight is a crime thriller. GOTG is a space opera. Doctor Strange will likely be horror. Ant-Man is a heist film. The Fantastic Four should be a film that tackles the insane side of science, coupled with the idealism and optimism that science can represent along with its family dynamics. So yeah, it being a film comparable to Interstellar, that seems like a pure filtering of the base concept.
Honestly, I think this is one of the reasons that ASM, for me, didn't work. They tried to make a 'pure' superhero film, and we're now in a world where you have to go beyond that a bit. Superhero isn't a genre, it's a lens that we can now view other genres through.
This question of 'tone' is a strange one for me. Superhero is such a bendable concept. There are multiple takes on just about every superhero out there, from the lighthearted and idealistic to the grim and dark, and all are equally valid. One is not necessarily better than the other, it rests on the strength of the creators behind it.
The music works, but the video should have been recut better.
But yeah, I can dig that.
And I really like the ideas that superhero is not a genre, but something that is filtered through other genres. Winter Soldier is a political thriller. The Dark Knight is a crime thriller. GOTG is a space opera. Doctor Strange will likely be horror. Ant-Man is a heist film. The Fantastic Four should be a film that tackles the insane side of science, coupled with the idealism and optimism that science can represent along with its family dynamics. So yeah, it being a film comparable to Interstellar, that seems like a pure filtering of the base concept.
Honestly, I think this is one of the reasons that ASM, for me, didn't work. They tried to make a 'pure' superhero film, and we're now in a world where you have to go beyond that a bit. Superhero isn't a genre, it's a lens that we can now view other genres through.
This question of 'tone' is a strange one for me. Superhero is such a bendable concept. There are multiple takes on just about every superhero out there, from the lighthearted and idealistic to the grim and dark, and all are equally valid. One is not necessarily better than the other, it rests on the strength of the creators behind it.
The music works, but the video should have been recut better.
But yeah, I can dig that.
crimsonspider89
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No TDKR was horrible. The movie didn't play up to any of Nolan's strengths unlike TDK and BB.
The deal is if a movie is good but doesn't follow the source material it inspired should it still be considered good?
Say LoTR. Say it was turned into a great horror movie instead of the epic it was. Should it still be said to be good? No.
That is the issue.
They were so ready to take a dump and now they have to hold it in. Must be painful.
I think this might be my most anticipated CBM this year.
AOU just looks like it's riding on a huge twist
Ant-Man looks like a big ball of unfinished nothing and could never be the same without Wright.
This seems to have a definite voice and story to tell, even if it's not really Lee & Kirby's FF. Loved the Interstellar vibes, and Teller and Jordan are ace actors.
Oh and the Rogue cut of DOFP would be up there too, if that ever comes out.
AOU just looks like it's riding on a huge twist
Ant-Man looks like a big ball of unfinished nothing and could never be the same without Wright.
This seems to have a definite voice and story to tell, even if it's not really Lee & Kirby's FF. Loved the Interstellar vibes, and Teller and Jordan are ace actors.
Oh and the Rogue cut of DOFP would be up there too, if that ever comes out.
Anton Sugar
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Couldn't have put it better myself. All the movies you mentioned are the better/best of the MCU, and comic films in general, because they reach beyond the "genre" of superhero films.
Some of the MCU, for me, is...well, not disposable. But they're escapist entertainment. There's not a whole lot to them other than watching your favorite characters do stuff that their characters do. They may brush LIGHTLY upon concepts or motifs, but the director/studio doesn't show much interest in exploring them. That's a little boring to me. I'll own TWS, TDK Trilogy, GOTG, and maybe Iron-Man and/or Avengers, but I don't feel a need to HAVE the others.
The thing is, LotR absolutely has horror elements to it, as well as a ton of other genres. PJ took a multitude of different ideas and made LotR into its own sweeping, epic beast.
It's coming this summer.
Especially when you are the studio that created the best comic book movie of 2014 you would want the public to know that so they can expect the same type of quality with this and not think its just another Marvel movie.
Yes? It would be a good film, not neccesarily a good adaptation, but if it uses the original characters to deliver a good story, yes, it would be a good film.
That would be super weird though hahaha, I don't think it's an appliable equivalence, no adaptation has been made to the point of being unrecognizable, yet.
HeartlessNobody213
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Seriously, seems like people want this movie to fail so bad, they are just looking for anything they can to shit on it.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Yeah, I think the further we go, the more everyone realizes that superhero is just a type of protagonist. The film around the protagonist has to have a genre beyond 'superhero'.
I mean, it's pretty much already on the horizon.
Ant-Man - Heist film
Doctor Strange - Horror
Civil War - Political thriller (again)
Daredevil - Crime drama
AKA Jessica Jones - Crime drama/psychological thriller
Iron Fist - Martial arts drama
Arrow - cynical vigilante pulp
Flash - idealistic crime procedural
I'm sure that Black Panther, Captain Marvel will have their own genres (political thriller, cosmic western would be my respective guesses). I can easily see Wonder Woman being a modern day swords-and-sandal type epic.
Batman vs Superman, I'm entirely unsure of, honestly. Whereas MOS can be seen as an alien invasion flick, I'm not sure what genre filter you can see BVS in.
Suicide Squad is easily a superhero analog to The Dirty Dozen/The Magnificent Seven depending on what tone they shoot for.
Subpar Spatula
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The problem lies in that these heroes go through the same hoops as every one else when they get their powers. Not to mention they're all witty people who are excellent charmers when they try not to be. You can have a super hero in a heist film but most of the time you're going to have generic super hero stock with X power. Over time it becomes more transparent.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Yeah. If they take the core of the story, use it to make another, great story that just happens to be different, why is that a bad thing? It's not bad, it's just different.
Turn LOTR into an epic horror adventure? It can still be as gripping and as fascinating as the books, but just in a different way. It simply comes down to having respect for the source material, using what works, and having the competence and guts to try something new at the same time.
Batman v Superman will be the epitome of the "Super Hero flick" I believe. It will be a pure heroes movie, perhaps the most pure in a long while. It has no other intention than to celebrate the myth of those characters as myths and not as characters (apparently).
And to be honest, the idea of the TLOTR as an horror film clicked with me lol now I can't stop thinking about it. Yes, it CAN work. Haha.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I didn't really like Rise of the Planet of the Apes, but Fox got a fantastic actor to play Doom. Toby Kebbel killed it in Rise. A magnificent performance and villain.
Really hope they do good by the character.
lol I thought the same thing. Sure sounded like it.
It is.
Anton Sugar
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Hm. Can't really argue with this.
ShooterMcGavin
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It looks cool, but man, I have hit comic book movie fatigue and then some.
Ahh well, they're not going anywhere until those box office numbers slip.
Ahh well, they're not going anywhere until those box office numbers slip.
Oh let me perch for the sheer superiority of it all
Anton Sugar
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Damn it, Miles.
The Atticus
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Between Trank and Edwards, I'd say the Star Wars spin-offs are gonna be pretty alluring - like a packet of Fox's Sweets.
It hadn't occurred to me before, but Trank and Edwards have a very similar aesthetic. Wonder if that's meant to be a clue as to what Lucasfilm is thinking for the spin-offs or it's just a coincidence.
FullMetalx117
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Anyone who thinks TDKR is a bad movie really needs to look at the metascore, RT score, user reviews on both of the previously mentioned sites, imdb, box office numbers, amazon reviews, etc.
It's far from being a bad movie and was liked by the mostly everyone. Anyone who did not is in a significantly small minority.
It's far from being a bad movie and was liked by the mostly everyone. Anyone who did not is in a significantly small minority.
Dawww I'ma go support these cats they look like fun.
Bobby Roberts
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Nobody knows if the spinoff films are going to be linked or not. That COULD be a sign pointing towards "maybe they are" though.
The Atticus
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That's what I thought too, after this trailer.
Love Edward's style and what he did with Godzilla. If the rumours (?) of his entry being a heist-movie are true, I'd be very very giddy.
Is there any truth to the rumor that Trank was arrested for domestic abuse?
Bobby Roberts
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Odd. I thought for sure that I heard that Josh Trank beats his wife.
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