Game 1 - Complete story, with a focus on world building. Leave things open for a sequel but don't explicitly tease anything.
Game 2 - Basically what we got with 1886. The darker chapter. Conspiracies arise, alliances crumble, one or two particular conflicts are resolved, but in the end there's still more work to do.
Game 3 - Tie everything up, give the series a satisfying send off.
I liked the story, and I'm cool with the ending as long as we end up getting a sequel that gives us more answers (up in the air at this point). If they don't make a sequel...then it brings it down a notch for me.
There was a point where I really liked it and wanted more and then at some point it tipped the other way and I just wanted it to be over.
For a cinematic game with a narrative focus, the story ends up disappointing.
The atmosphere is good, all the presentation and graphics are incredible but I don't really like the black bars, with the camera so close to Galahad (which was obviously deliberate for the filmy look) it felt really limiting and I wasn't fan.
Graphics at least are incredible, no aliasing or anything it was perfectly clean and smooth. I don't feel like graphics need to get any better though.
So here's what I got followed by what's unclear, curious as to other thoughts:
Vampires are in league with Lycans to spread their kind across the globe. Hastings seems to be the mastermind behind this but may not be
Rebellion is driven both by social inequality with hidden agenda of leaders to oppose Vampires & Lycans
Knights are unaware of much of this and oppose both sides: rebellion as threat to monarchy and established order and Lycans and Vampires as monstrous enemies of "normal" people
There are weak ass Lycans who are presumably bitten humans and Eldars who are a bit more kick ass but still pretty lame in a fight
The Lycans are attacking hospital to target Rebellion at behest of Hastings to eliminate opponents who are on to their plot
Queen Victoria may be missing or reclusive
The Knights long life and powers come from drinking from the Grail
The leader of the order and one of original Knights of Round Table adopts a Lycan son as well as a human daughter
Lucan thinks his actions are for protection of his race however he is not inherently evil and in fact hopes for a time of peace
Hastings is an evil old vampire who revels in killing and is behind Jack The Ripper murders
Percival is in secret communication with a mysterious figure
Tesla is actually supplying rebellion to aid their cause while also seeming loyal to The Order to some degree
What's unclear:
What's behind Vampies & Lycans allegiance (mutual interest seems a little thin)
Where did they come from and are they supernatural or mutations
Is Grail holy or something else : Galahad is clearly doubtful of God despite being part of an Order with access to the Grail of Christ that bestows long life
Who's the mysterious figure Percival and Telsa both know
How much does public know and where's Queen Victoria?
Are Igraine and Lucan merely adopted siblings? Seems so but not clear.
Myself I feel while there's an interesting world there some key character motivations are shaky and poorly explored. In particular Telsa, Lucan and the Leader of the Order (forget his actual name).
I feel RAD raised too many questions and answered to few for narrative balance. They needed to close of some points while raising bigger plot points to carry forward.
Tieing up Hastings plot fully and probably him too would have helped for example while leaving bigger background open.
I also think a plot that
by the end, has you mostly in combat with people who aren't actual clear foes was tonally off. You start by taking out escaped madmen (despite being told to be careful with approach) then move on to kicking Lycan ass (to have this questioned at the end) to taking down Rebels (who turn out to be good guys) to fighting through innocent soldiers merely protecting The Order dwelling). Apart from the raid on the docks you essentially kills tons of foes who really feel like the wrong foe by the end.
RAD also seemed to be all over the place thematically, particularly with Lucan and the Lycans.
Just finished the game.
I think it's obvious that RAD wants The Order to be their IP for this generation (like Uncharted was for ND last gen), they are already planning sequels and they have left holes intentionally
the identity of the person seen talking with Percival, the hinted Queen disappereance are clear examples
This felt more like the introduction to a bigger story, overall I liked it but a few things should have been made more clear in the plot.
A confusing element is how
vampires suddenly enter in the narration while initially the order seems to be totally focused on fighting lycans and not vampires as well, also tipically lycans and vampires are enemies so it seems a bit odd that here are treated indiscriminately like the ''half breed race'' fighting to survive. They should have detailed if in their universe they are friends or if they have come to a truce to survive and how
.
Also it's not clear the extent of the
corruption within The Order, it's not like they're all lycans or vampires, it's just the elder who has an adopted lycan son and doesn't want the others to find out that the rebels have discovered the true goals behind the united indian company so he's trying to protect the half breeds but even in that case he still can't refuse to fight lycans in normal situations since that's their main goal and this leaves him in a odd position...not to mention Lucan...who's part of an order which fights his own race...just for gratitude to his human father and because he knows that's his best chance to survive hiding the truth?
Also this is not a plot hole but
I didn't like the way Isabeau turns her back to Galahad without trying to find out the truth and without understanding he wants to protect her...so jealous of the indian girl LOL? Lafayette is in a similar situation, he let him escape but he doesn't try at all to understand the truth although at least he doesn't react as badly as Isabeau
So yeah the story is interesting but could have been better.
lol yup forsome reason the spoiler thread ppl seem to be much more willing to say this game has story holes and the threads are all good story from the impressions ppl are posting.
Wasn't a fan of the ending either, but I seriously think they just ran out of budget and had to find a middle ground in where they could cut off the story to finish the game. After chapter 11 everything felt rushed, from a story and gameplay perspective. It's weird going through the chapter selection and seeing lots of mini episodes within the beginning and middle chapters, only to reach the last five chapters where they only had a couple of episodes each.
lol yup forsome reason the spoiler thread ppl seem to be much more willing to say this game has story holes and the threads are all good story from the impressions ppl are posting.
It felt like it was written by people who think that their plot is much more clever, interesting, and original than it actually is. The premise itself is unique, yet was squandered because we had to sit through yet another "these rebels are the bad guys....wait...they're the good guys! :O" Story yet again. And people still think video games are comparable to film.
- Why were the guards torturing Galahad in the dungeon? He was sentenced to death. Are we just to assume that there was an order later to try and get information out of him about the rebels?
- What's up with the Lycans? If Lucan is any indication, it seems like they can transform (or not) whenever they please. Why do they maul humans? I mean, we know that vampires need to feed on human blood (assuming they follow the typical lore), so it makes sense that they'd be hunted by humans, but it seems like Lycans have no down sides. What makes them savage?
- The Lycans teamed up with the vampires because they were starting to lose the war, right? As far as we know, the only reason that Lord Hastings was able to manipulate The Order as such was because of his deal with Lucan, right?
- How does The Order work? Was it ever explained why Lafayette was able to carry all of the gear and wear and the uniform of The Order without being a knight or having drunk from the Grail? Was he like a squire of Percival or something?
- I assume it's not explained how much of a window you have after death before the black water will no longer revive you? I'm wondering why it worked after Isabel died but couldn't be used to save Malory. Unless I'm misinterpreting the dialogue that made me think Isabel was killed by the Elder.
The thing I'm most interested in regarding a sequel is what they're going to do with the Order itself, considering Galahad is no longer a knight. Maybe they could have it so the lord chancellor is killed by Hastings then flees to India to continue to spread the vampire/half breed cause, and Galahad rejoins the Order to take out Hastings.
It just seems like they'd have to have Galahad rejoin otherwise they couldn't call the next game 'The Order' if he's not actually a knight.
- Why were the guards torturing Galahad in the dungeon? He was sentenced to death. Are we just to assume that there was an order later to try and get information out of him about the rebels?
- What's up with the Lycans? If Lucan is any indication, it seems like they can transform (or not) whenever they please. Why do they maul humans? I mean, we know that vampires need to feed on human blood (assuming they follow the typical lore), so it makes sense that they'd be hunted by humans, but it seems like Lycans have no down sides. What makes them savage?
Do you know what, I'm not entirely sure. Maybe they feed off of humans, or the one's that do are just crazy or murderous like any other psychopath. Good question though.
- The Lycans teamed up with the vampires because they were starting to lose the war, right? As far as we know, the only reason that Lord Hastings was able to manipulate The Order as such was because of his deal with Lucan, right?
- How does The Order work? Was it ever explained why Lafayette was able to carry all of the gear and wear and the uniform of The Order without being a knight or having drunk from the Grail? Was he like a squire of Percival or something?
I think the Lord Chancellor touched on it. Essentially La Fayette was Percival's apprentice, and the death of his mentor nets the potential of him taking over his name the title, and taking over his place. I don't think any of the other Knights at the table are the originals except for the Lord Chancellor himself, who is mentioned early on in the game as being the only one still alive, who has fought along side King Arthur himself. Though I have a suspicion the hooded man who saved Grayson could also be one of the original Knights.
- I assume it's not explained how much of a window you have after death before the black water will no longer revive you? I'm wondering why it worked after Isabel died but couldn't be used to save Malory. Unless I'm misinterpreting the dialogue that made me think Isabel was killed by the Elder.
I'm not sure Izzy actually died. I thought she was simply on the verge of death, or had been paralysed (the Lycan appeared to have broken her back). My guess is that Black Water cannot bring someone back from the dead, but it can heal wounds, even mortal ones, so long as the person is still alive. Mallory was likely already dead when Grayson found him.
Game 1 - Complete story, with a focus on world building. Leave things open for a sequel but don't explicitly tease anything.
Game 2 - Basically what we got with 1886. The darker chapter. Conspiracies arise, alliances crumble, one or two particular conflicts are resolved, but in the end there's still more work to do.
Game 3 - Tie everything up, give the series a satisfying send off.
This sounds great. They are doing too much twisting and turning with characters who we've barely met. It doesn't have the same affect as a character the player has come to know over a long time.
- Saw through Lucan's betrayal since the raid on Agamemnon. The setup was so predictable that I can't imagine the turncoat to be somebody else.
- I expected Lafayette to say 'Not Guilty' during the kangaroo court scene. I thought it was out of character of him to find Galahad guilty. I'm glad he shows up in the brothel later after Galahad escaped.
- Why did Isabeau put so little trust in Galahad if she actually fond of him? I mean if you know someone for centuries you must've known what kind of man he is.
Lucan turning traitor on Galahad left no impact on me cause they didn't fucking... build their relationship up enough that I didn't already think he was gonna fucking betray me.
I did like that even at the end they still seems to have depth of feeling and a bond between them, but I chalk that up to the actors and dialogue written than the story as it was presented.
- Saw through Lucan's betrayal since the raid on Agamemnon. The setup was so predictable that I can't imagine the turncoat to be somebody else.
- I expected Lafayette to say 'Not Guilty' during the kangaroo court scene. I thought it was out of character of him to find Galahad guilty. I'm glad he shows up in the brothel later after Galahad escaped.
- Why did Isabeau put so little trust in Galahad if she actually fond of him? I mean if you know someone for centuries you must've known what kind of man he is.
- I expected Lafayette to say 'Not Guilty' during the kangaroo court scene. I thought it was out of character of him to find Galahad guilty. I'm glad he shows up in the brothel later after Galahad escaped.
- Why did Isabeau put so little trust in Galahad if she actually fond of him? I mean if you know someone for centuries you must've known what kind of man he is.
I agree. Known each other for possibly centuries, was Galahad's apprentice, and it's implied they had a romantic thing going on, too. Suddenly she starts to hate him when does one crazy thing? Maybe it's logical for her character, but certainly not any part that they showed us in the game.
Lucan turning traitor on Galahad left no impact on me cause they didn't fucking... build their relationship up enough that I didn't already think he was gonna fucking betray me.
I did like that even at the end they still seems to have depth of feeling and a bond between them, but I chalk that up to the actors and dialogue written than the story as it was presented.
Finished it about an hour ago. Tons of loose threads, an unsatisfying ending and final fight......yeah.
6.50 redbox rental. At least I can say I got my money's worth this way.
the werewolf fights were dumb. Back into corner, shoot one til it charges, x to roll shoot it as it runs away. Typically that was enough to put it down.
Then the reused final fight. Yeah QTE was different but still.
The mid credits scene hahahahahahahahhaaha. First thought was that he was the city's batman
I think the Lord Chancellor touched on it. Essentially La Fayette was Percival's apprentice, and the death of his mentor nets the potential of him taking over his name the title, and taking over his place. I don't think any of the other Knights at the table are the originals except for the Lord Chancellor himself, who is mentioned early on in the game as being the only one still alive, who has fought along side King Arthur himself. Though I have a suspicion the hooded man who saved Grayson could also be one of the original Knights.
Thanks. I just checked old Wikipedia and the real Lafayette was born in 1757. How the hell was he as he was in 1886 if he hadn't had a drink of the black water until the events of the game?
Thanks. I just checked old Wikipedia and the real Lafayette was born in 1757. How the hell was he as he was in 1886 if he hadn't had a drink of the black water until the events of the game?
I thought Lafeyette saying guilty was fine, because he probably felt pressure to agree with the Order having just been knighted. He also paused for a good while before saying it so you could tell he was hesitant.
I kind of get the feeling that votes like that are not allowed to go on personal opinion, but only the facts at hand. The fact were Galahad was seen with the rebels and caused damage to the United India docks and cargo. The fact Sir Percival Deux showed up at the brothel, means he was definitely not absolute in his verdict.
Yeah, I actually groaned a bit when it turned out he was a traitor. Totally 1000% expected.
Ehh... he just became a knight. Had to go with the flow.
I agree. Known each other for possibly centuries, was Galahad's apprentice, and it's implied they had a romantic thing going on, too. Suddenly she starts to hate him when does one crazy thing? Maybe it's logical for her character, but certainly not any part that they showed us in the game.
Possibly romantic? She basically says when are you gonna ask my dad if you can marry me? I'd say that's definitely why, I think she was the woman scorned and was willing to believe things she knew not to be true just because she felt so wronged. Such an archetype but what in this story wasn't?
Agree on marquis, he paused for a good couple seconds, long enough to show that he wasn't sold on a guilty verdict, but what was he to do?
I agree. Known each other for possibly centuries, was Galahad's apprentice, and it's implied they had a romantic thing going on, too. Suddenly she starts to hate him when does one crazy thing? Maybe it's logical for her character, but certainly not any part that they showed us in the game.
Well after the old Percival died she confront him about lately not acting like the men she knew, and he only keeps her out of it for protection, then she sees him with the female leader of the rebellion and finds his Knight wear that to them is their identity just lying there in a brothel.
A lot of unanswered questions that definitely give a episodic feel, but honestly I'm really hoping for a sequel, they can only improve, day one for me if happens.
He's a non-entity as far as I am concerned. He is the guy who accompanies
Galahad and Lakshmi at the final assault on United India HQ. Hastings kills him when he gets separated from the others at the archives.
The following is some wild speculation as to where they could/should go next, provided they get the funds to do so.
Prequel stuff. Go back to the timeline of the original Arthurian legend (either the 6th century or the 12th century - the latter making more sense in this case). The knights are tasked with finding the grail, without knowing what it actually is. There could be a race for the grail - do the halfbreeds reach it before the knights or not. Alternatively, the halfbreeds are the ones who are guarding the grail and have corrupted its waters, turning it into the source of their mutations. Simpler yet, the half-breeds have "always" just been there. The prequel storyline would see Galahad and the original Lancelot go out looking for the grail. The graphics engine would lend it perfectly to a more medieval setting too.
Alternatively, sequel stuff. This could be done with flashbacks to some of the prequel stuff. But the story would consist of Galahad leading a one-man-charge on the vampires and Lord Hastings. It would eventually be revealed that Queen Victoria is also part of the supernatural mess somehow.
Stuff that would make a sequel better:
Light RPG elements. Let me upgrade my blacksight, my health, stealth etc.
Melee weapons and combos.
More lucid platforming. Not AC levels, but more and faster.
Better stealth sections.
Actual puzzles.
Weapon upgrading. Perhaps not R&C style, more like the new Wolfenstein style.
A well done bestiary.
Ability to skip cut scene. At least on their second viewing.
Lol thank god I wasn't the only one who thought this. He even calls her one at some point despite her never actually being there to assassinate anybody.
Overall I was ok with the story. Lucan was really obvious since the original reveal had something that looked like lycans lol.
Granted I didnt figure he was adopted and really thought Isi was also one
. The rest of the story really feels like they had to cut and wrap things up quickly. Especially the ending. Certainly felt hurried towards the end. Didnt sour things for me like some of the impressions I have read but it doesnt feel like a complete and contained experience. Hopefully we get a solid sequel that answers more and is a nicely contained portion of what I believe they want to be a trilogy.
Is it kinda weird that Galahad gets killed if you fail some of the OTEs by guns like the stealth sections, but in some cutsences he gets stabbed and/or shot multiple times and still run around(while drinking the blackwater after a bit). And I find weird that the team gets split up all the time kinda like in Gears, it feels like the game was suppose to be a coop game at one point.
Isn't Lord Hastings Jack the Ripper and since the dead women was killed by a vampire did anyone notice the bite marks?
I feel like I'm in the minority here but I feel like it was a wonderful ending. There's a lot to be explained but to me it feels almost like an episode of Game of Thrones. It ended on an impactful note and left much of the story to tell. The touch with the credits was nice as we'll.
- I expected Lafayette to say 'Not Guilty' during the kangaroo court scene. I thought it was out of character of him to find Galahad guilty. I'm glad he shows up in the brothel later after Galahad escaped.
I guess that's why the long pause and sad face when he said guilty.
Gameplay wise it seems like the Trial Scene was supposing to be branching based off your actions previously but they took it out of the game and just made it linear.
- Why did Isabeau put so little trust in Galahad if she actually fond of him? I mean if you know someone for centuries you must've known what kind of man he is.
Gameplay wise it seems like the Trial Scene was supposing to be branching based off your actions previously but they took it out of the game and just made it linear.
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Lol thank god I wasn't the only one who thought this. He even calls her one at some point despite her never actually being there to assassinate anybody.
She was leading the operation on the Agamemnon, which was carried out in order to off Lord Hastings. She also shows up on the bridge during the assault on Lord Hastings' carriage. Seeing her is what causes Galahad to go on a solo rampage.
edit: nevermind, I was thinking of Devi. But isn't she the one that Galahad called an assassin? I don't recall, honestly.
Yea considering so many scenes were seamless the cuts really lead me to believe it was probably branching(like witcher 2, Knights of the old Republic 1 , Mass Effect)
King Arthur!!! Also the Hindi Queen mentioned that the black water was given to her by sir Bors, it could be him, also in arthurian legend bors and percival found the grail (black water) so kinda makes sense why the rebels have black water.
She was leading the operation on the Agamemnon, which was carried out in order to off Lord Hastings. She also shows up on the bridge during the assault on Lord Hastings' carriage. Seeing her is what causes Galahad to go on a solo rampage.
edit: nevermind, I was thinking of Devi. But isn't she the one that Galahad called an assassin? I don't recall, honestly.
King Arthur!!! Also the Hindi Queen mentioned that the black water was given to her by sir Bors, it could be him, also in arthurian legend bors and percival found the grail (black water) so kinda makes sense why the rebels have black water.
At this point I believe it' Sir Bors...it would explain him giving her the blackwater as well as him being a part of the rebel operations. I like that idea better than it being King Arthur. Bors was directly linked to Lakshmi, really.
Lucan turning traitor on Galahad left no impact on me cause they didn't fucking... build their relationship up enough that I didn't already think he was gonna fucking betray me.
I did like that even at the end they still seems to have depth of feeling and a bond between them, but I chalk that up to the actors and dialogue written than the story as it was presented.
Yea I totally said to myself "Lucan" is betraying me right now during that mission. Very predictable. Not sure why they didn't go with another name for him as well, because Lucan<->Lycan is so damn obvious. He's actually an elder Lycan though which is intriguing.
Isi going berserk after Galahad started seeking answers seemed very forced to me; I really hated that none of the other knights, while still helping Perceval, had concerns after he perished. Blind obedience, ugh.
- Why did Isabeau put so little trust in Galahad if she actually fond of him? I mean if you know someone for centuries you must've known what kind of man he is.
This killed Isabeau for me. Lafayatte doesn't have nearly the relationship with Galahad yet still had more faith in him. I get what they were going for with the scorned woman idea but it didn't work for me.
