Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly |OT| It's The American Dream

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Aww yiss. Going in for the second time.

I listened to the album completely four times now. I thought people had more plays me. :/ Now I feel like some addict. lol

A quarter of the tracks are in the double digits for me and three are played over twenty times and I only appreciate the songs more and more.

Saying that, Momma and Hood Politics are the best tracks on here, tbh. For Sale? is the most powerful song on the album, personally. u and How Much a Dollar Cost are close runner-ups, though.
 

What is this stupidity?

I finally watched the needle drop review and really enjoyed his breakdown. Got me to realize kendrick is 3 for 3 now (or 2 for 2 depending on who you ask
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). I agree with him about it being better than GKMC. I know it seems premature but Im pretty sure I'll feel the same months/years removed. I know I will. We all know when something is going to stick with us. And this is one of those moments for me. Not allowed to call it a "classic" yet for reasons...but it most def is a triumph.
 
Its automatically better than GKMC because Kendrick did a much better job with his hook executions. Some of the tracks on GKMC really suffered from corny or dry hooks.

Real's hook is criminal.
 
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Can't stop laughing. Perfect use.
 
gkmc = autobiography
tpab = a collection of essays on his soul and black america

tpab is also an autobiography (Kendrick post-gkmc release) and deals with some pretty heavy shit. honestly I think the race message is secondary to the narrative of him getting in bed with lucy, leaving her, and then trying to build a relationship with God. only then could he be in a place to help others with their issues and preach about race. notice that in Momma he comes home to try and preach to his community but he still isn't right with himself yet and instead gets preached to. the album is about how Kendrick is trying to be that person who makes it big and spreads a positive message but he can't do that when he is succumbing to his own evils. he's trying to lead by example and show that none of us can get anything done without taking care of ourselves first.

foreal though tpab shows kendrick suicidal, abusing drugs and alcohol, revenge fucking the ex of Dave's killer for selfish reasons, indulging in material gains under the facade that he's helping others, he wasn't there to protect one of his friends back home so his friend got killed, kendrick wasn't even able to make it to the hospital because of his fame, he harshly judges everybody including himself, he judges his past, he judges the gang culture that he grew up with, he judges the government, he judges the music industry, he judges america as a whole, shit he judges the son of God. this album is kendrick's autobiography of getting right with himself and God in the face of some serious temptations that he never knew he bargained for before he made it.
 
i think we are talking about different poem's

there are 2 in the album. There is the one he tells tupac and the one about the butterfly. I'm talking about the poem that is told to tupac which sections of it are played throughout the album

Yeah, the 'I remember you was conflicted...' one, the first time you hear it is at the beginning of These Walls, before that you had Wesley's Theory, For Free?, King Kunta and Institutionalized, so you get

I remember you was conflicted
Misusing your influence
Sometimes I did the same


He's gained influence (power/money/fame) and wants to do something with it but drops King Kunta where he pretty much shits all over everyone anyway. He realises what he's done, that conflict arises and he starts looking at where he is (running the game...). You hear some more of it at the end of it

Abusing my power, full of resentment
Resentment that turned into a deep depression
Found myself screaming in a hotel room


These Walls details him using his power (over a woman?), u deals with the resentment and the depression that's forming. That hotel bit as well, you hear housekeeping knocking on the door during u lol. Some more gets added on at the end of Alright

I didn't wanna self destruct
The evils of Lucy was all around me
So I went running for answers


Alright is where he begins to self destruct, that resentment and depression is hitting that boiling point. For Sale? talks about the temptations of 'Lucy' and his soul. Until I came home is the last line of the song, with the next song being Momma, which you can interpret as he ran home to momma after that period of temptation. Next time you hear more of it is in Hood Politics.

But that didn't stop survivors guilt
Going back and forth
Trying to convince my self the stripes I earned
Or maybe how A-1 my foundation was
But while my loved ones was fighting a continuous war back in the city
I was entering a new one


In Momma he talks about going back to the hood after he made it but nothing back home has changed. He spends Hood Politics talking about how his foundation is 'A-1', how ever since the beginning he's been working hard, didn't care about the politics of the rap game etc. He tries to convince himself he's done good but the proof is in what he comes back to. So he enters a new 'war'. You hear the rest of it in Mortal Man.

A war that was based on apartheid and discrimination
Made me wanna go back to the city and tell the homies what I learned
The word was respect
Just because you wore a different gang color than mine
Doesn’t mean I can’t respect you as a black man
Forgetting all the pain and hurt we caused each other in these streets
If I respect you, we unify and stop the enemy from killing us
But I don’t know, I’m no mortal man, maybe I’m just another nigga


Which pretty much just sums up the message of the rest of the songs. This is just one way of interpreting the album IMO. Each song is so packed and heavy that there's definitely more interpretation. By that last sentence, I just think it's also a way of tying the two poems together, by Kendrick entering the war, he's leaving his cocoon and telling people what he's learned.
 
Listened for a second time yesterday and it's really a great album. It's definitely a grower, though I did enjoy it enough on my first listen. It's very layered and in depth, and is using so much from the history of black music. Some stuff doesn't work- like I'm not the biggest fan of his 'momma' voice though I understand why he does it.

It's really great, all the allusions, word play, style. It's hard to put in a box, and I think that's when artists are at their best.

tpab is also an autobiography (Kendrick post-gkmc release) and deals with some pretty heavy shit. honestly I think the race message is secondary to the narrative of him getting in bed with lucy, leaving her, and then trying to build a relationship with God. only then could he be in a place to help others with their issues and preach about race. notice that in Momma he comes home to try and preach to his community but he still isn't right with himself yet and instead gets preached to. the album is about how Kendrick is trying to be that person who makes it big and spreads a positive message but he can't do that when he is succumbing to his own evils. he's trying to lead by example and show that none of us can get anything done without taking care of ourselves first.

foreal though tpab shows kendrick suicidal, abusing drugs and alcohol, revenge fucking the ex of Dave's killer for selfish reasons, indulging in material gains under the facade that he's helping others, he wasn't there to protect one of his friends back home so his friend got killed, kendrick wasn't even able to make it to the hospital because of his fame, he harshly judges everybody including himself, he judges his past, he judges the gang culture that he grew up with, he judges the government, he judges the music industry, he judges america as a whole, shit he judges the son of God. this album is kendrick's autobiography of getting right with himself and God in the face of some serious temptations that he never knew he bargained for before he made it.

Yes.
 
I've listened to it about four times already. The third time I had to genius every song and my god it just goes deeper and deeper. Fantastic yet again Mr. King Kendrick.
 
I just don't understand how he does it.

I was so impressed by GKMC (songs and the structure/concept of it) I honestly didn't see how he was going to be able to do that again. I assumed the music would be great, but I didn't think I was going to be blown away again by another concept album

Are there any other albums like GKMC or TPAB that treat the entire album as a complete package with a narrative stringing each song together?
 
I just don't understand how he does it.

I was so impressed by GKMC (songs and the structure/concept of it) I honestly didn't see how he was going to be able to do that again. I assumed the music would be great, but I didn't think I was going to be blown away again by another concept album

Are there any other albums like GKMC or TPAB that treat the entire album as a complete package with a narrative stringing each song together?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_album
 
I just don't understand how he does it.

I was so impressed by GKMC (songs and the structure/concept of it) I honestly didn't see how he was going to be able to do that again. I assumed the music would be great, but I didn't think I was going to be blown away again by another concept album

Are there any other albums like GKMC or TPAB that treat the entire album as a complete package with a narrative stringing each song together?

This... and for hip-hop specifically.
 
I just don't understand how he does it.

I was so impressed by GKMC (songs and the structure/concept of it) I honestly didn't see how he was going to be able to do that again. I assumed the music would be great, but I didn't think I was going to be blown away again by another concept album

Are there any other albums like GKMC or TPAB that treat the entire album as a complete package with a narrative stringing each song together?

Not hip hop, but there were a lot of concept albums during the 70s: some of my favorite examples are The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis, Animals by Pink Floyd and Darwin by Banco del mutuo soccorso (you won't get this if you know italian though).
They still make them obviously, but it's not a trend like it was at the time.
 
I just don't understand how he does it.

I was so impressed by GKMC (songs and the structure/concept of it) I honestly didn't see how he was going to be able to do that again. I assumed the music would be great, but I didn't think I was going to be blown away again by another concept album

Are there any other albums like GKMC or TPAB that treat the entire album as a complete package with a narrative stringing each song together?

De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves
Little Brother - The Minstrel Show
The Roots - undun
Andre 3000 - The Love Below
Lupe Fiasco - The Cool

Not all are strict concept albums like GKMC. The Roots' undun album is very similar to it though.
 
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves
Little Brother - The Minstrel Show
The Roots - undun
Andre 3000 - The Love Below
Lupe Fiasco - The Cool

Not all are strict concept albums like GKMC. The Roots' undun album is very similar to it though.

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Masta Ace- A Long Hot Summer
 

I know it's easy to hate on this review, but he has some valid points.

Not all of Kendrick's fans are black and this album is very afrocentric. It does feel sometimes hard to relate. You can feel empathy for the black man's plight, but it's total different when you don't walk in those shoes.

I believe this concept album to have definitely hit it's mark, but it's audience is going to be very targeted. There is very little to no mainstream/radio/banger appeal.

I think Kendrick is a genius and this album proves that. But when I got in my friends ride the other day and I'm handed the aux cord, I can't really throw on King Kunta or Institutionalized.

You can't tell me there wasn't room for another 'Control" or 'The Recipe" or 'Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe' type song anywhere on this album.
 
I just don't understand how he does it.

I was so impressed by GKMC (songs and the structure/concept of it) I honestly didn't see how he was going to be able to do that again. I assumed the music would be great, but I didn't think I was going to be blown away again by another concept album

Are there any other albums like GKMC or TPAB that treat the entire album as a complete package with a narrative stringing each song together?

Lupe Fiasco - The Cool
Panacea - The Scenic Route
Deltron - 3030
Kno - Death is Silent
The Roots - Undun
 
Really though , does The Cool qualify? I've never really noticed much of a narrative/concept to it. Certainly nothing on the scale of GKMC/A Grand Don't Come For Free
 
Really though , does The Cool qualify? I've never really noticed much of a narrative/concept to it. Certainly nothing on the scale of GKMC/A Grand Don't Come For Free

The Cool definitely is a concept album. Its not as tightly woven together as TPAB but the concept is there. It is about a kid named Michael Young History (my cool young history) and his relationship with The Streets and The Game.
Go back and listen to that album bruh. Not every song ties into the concept, but the majority do.
 
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