MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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Gen.Grievous
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No it's not.
Sony didn't invest tens (hundreds?) of millions in streaming tech simply because of backwards compatibility.
Sony is taking the right approach for Sony. They can always adjust their strategy down the road if BC becomes a big deal for MS and gamers. As someone who owns a ton of PS3 and 360 games (both physical and digital) I appreciate BC. However, I am not sure how much I would use it outside of novelty period. Time will tell.
KillerSloth
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You act like making Cell based games work on ps4 is as easy as 360 to x1...context people.
Exactly, MS comparing the two was a weak attempt at a dig at sony, it is a totally different platform for tablets PC, etc... yes you can use it on ps4 if you want but it's optional. BC is not really the main reason for PS now.
Just check the list before u do because not everything will be available.
StalkerUKCG
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Not really sure what exactly is "complicated" about it.
If you own the game via GoD or physically and Microsoft get permission from the copyright holders then the game will work via the purchased method.
Seems simple.
It's not something I'll use a great deal. I have a big back catalog of 360 games that I'll get some use out of but It's a damn sight better than PS Now IMO which I'd have to pay monthly to access games I already own.
If you own the game via GoD or physically and Microsoft get permission from the copyright holders then the game will work via the purchased method.
Seems simple.
It's not something I'll use a great deal. I have a big back catalog of 360 games that I'll get some use out of but It's a damn sight better than PS Now IMO which I'd have to pay monthly to access games I already own.
In previous generations, yes. Difference is that people have vast XBLA libraries they will be able to access now on XBO, and will assuredly use.
It's not the same as going in to your loft and pulling out your dusty old PS3 games from time to time.
BC is a much bigger deal this generation. Also diminishing returns means last gen games still hold up well today.
His point about it not being used much at least rings true for me. You how many times i used BC on my PS2, PS3, 360, wii or wii-u? Once...to play REMAKE for about and hour one day.
I feel this sort of thing is important day one of a consoles life when the transition to a new system is hardly flooded with new experiences. But for me, 2 years in to the consoles lifes, i have more current gen games to play then i actually have time to play...i don't have the time for BC.
I feel this sort of thing is important day one of a consoles life when the transition to a new system is hardly flooded with new experiences. But for me, 2 years in to the consoles lifes, i have more current gen games to play then i actually have time to play...i don't have the time for BC.
Auto-Reply
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All that talk about how impossible it would be to have BC on either of those consoles is still ringing in my ears. It does seem a bit silly now, the only problem according to Spencer on the Giant Bomb Day 1 show is developer/publisher permittance and kinect + multiple DVD games.
This looks like an extremly efficient form of BC!
This looks like an extremly efficient form of BC!
Hm I don't know if SharePlay is more used than BC, but I don't have numbers on this one. So I won't say on this
But I think Xbox has the other options too, don't they? They had Susped/resume even before Sony.
Sounds like he knows it's a good thing, but don't really want to say that their competition is better in this point.
I remember MS already talking about BC in 2013. they said it would be very hard thing to do, but it wouldn't be impossible and it would be something for the future. I thought it was just a PR answer because of the bad reputation the Xbox one had at this point. Maybe I find the old interview about this topic
Megawarrior
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I still want PS1 and/or PS2 BC at least for our digital purchases on psn.
Freedom = $1.05
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Just let me play my digitally purchased PSX and PS2 games and i'll be okay with keeping my PS3 around.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
I know that Cell is going to be too hard to emulate and costly but what about PS1/2 games.
they said there's no work involved they just need permission from the publisher
Yep, no way the jaguar cpu can emulate cell.
While that's probably true for playing your older games that you already own, the biggest thing here (for me, anyways) is that there'll be a ton of deep discounts on 360 games and the 360 GWG has been excellent the past few months, if MS plays their cards right it could be huge. Imagine if every 360 GWG went BC? Getting AAA retail titles on the X1 every month is huge even if the graphics are a bit outdated compared to next gen consoles. Suddenly GWG on X1 isn't so lackluster every month, toss that in with some excellent sales on the 360 and it's an awesome thing to have.
For older games that I already own, there's not many I'd actually play admittedly. But for games that I don't own that I'll pick up on sale and GWG? there's a ton of options still that I'd be interested in.
I agree
Sword Of Doom
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But For me the significance of PS Now is being able to play games without a console. I think for Sony that's probably their goal in the end. To get people who don't own consoles to be able to pay for their service and play games on their TV's and other devices.
Haeralis The BRave
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Well, hopefully they lose their lead and it lights a fire under them to at least add in PS2 / PS1 compatibility. It's ridiculous, and I think that they are wrong. Everyone I know complains about the lack of BC.
FullMetaltech
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From a business perspective it makes sense due to costs and the ps3 having a different architecture. But they seem to be invested in Now. Is NoW a profitable thing for them at this point? Would love to see the numbers on how it used.
Oppo
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It would be nice if you could insert a PS3 disc into a PS4 and get a free Now stream for that game. Don't know how feasible that is. Maybe for Plus members?
Hardware Bc is right out I think but Now is not a terrible solution if they fix the pricing. And it goes to a lot more devices.
Hardware Bc is right out I think but Now is not a terrible solution if they fix the pricing. And it goes to a lot more devices.
Kssio_Aug
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PS Now recquires constant internet connection, has input lag, and (if im not mistaken) doesnt even reach every PS4 owners cause of servers location. That is for sure a much more "messy, uneven and less than ideal" solution!
Zombegoast
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' and it is a much requested feature… but actually it’s not so greatly used.'
Because the system was $599. Emulation is less expensive than putting the Cell on the PS4. Even though the CPUs are very weak, I doubt it won't have much problems running Ps2 and PS1 games.
Backwards compatibility is a lot more important now than before because of digital distribution.
Because the system was $599. Emulation is less expensive than putting the Cell on the PS4. Even though the CPUs are very weak, I doubt it won't have much problems running Ps2 and PS1 games.
Backwards compatibility is a lot more important now than before because of digital distribution.
ArchedThunder
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I don't care about backwards compatibility on PS4, just release PSOne and PS2 classics already, the lack of an E3 announcement was disappointing.
loaf of bread
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PSNOW ISNT A BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY SOLUTION
PeskyToaster
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He's right. They already did full BC with the PS3 and probably got a ton of usage statistics from it. It's requested amongst the enthusiasts but I would say 90%+ of the audience does not care.
I'll translate from PR speak to English:
"Goddamn CELL is killing us and will likely continue to kill us until PS6 comes out when we can actually emulate the damn thing. It was a great idea that flopped harder than we could have ever imagined it would have, and now we have to make up excuses as to why we cant offer native BC instead of admitting that we completely screwed ourselves. We even had to buy Gaikai because we knew MS would be able to get a PPC emulator working at some point. Please understand."
"Goddamn CELL is killing us and will likely continue to kill us until PS6 comes out when we can actually emulate the damn thing. It was a great idea that flopped harder than we could have ever imagined it would have, and now we have to make up excuses as to why we cant offer native BC instead of admitting that we completely screwed ourselves. We even had to buy Gaikai because we knew MS would be able to get a PPC emulator working at some point. Please understand."
There is no option. To the best of my knowledge PS3 backwards comparability on PS4 simply isn't doable.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Pretty much. Small, download-only games changed everything. On PC I don't have to worry, but on consoles I run the risk of all my purchases just being useless one day
Xbox is taking a step to make that not the case, and I really appreciate it
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
They want to push PS Now and trying to emulate the PS3 is probably impossible on the PS4 hardware.
I'll just keep my PS3 around.
I'll just keep my PS3 around.
KillerSloth
Banned
"They Said"" I don't believe it will be that easy nor do I think 1000 + games will end up there, not many people will use this. People say lots of things, especially MS.
BlackBanditSho
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This announcement would've completely altered the course of things at launch. I can speak from my circle of gamer friends that NONE of them, including me, would have a PS4 if it wasn't for the lack of Xbox backwards compatibility. All of us were Xbox 360 people, had invested a good amount of money on digital purchases, and had gotten used to the apple way of doing things where you could buy new hardware and still automatically enjoy your old purchases with ease.
All of us went PS4 to the last just because it was a window that allowed us to start fresh and to try titles that we missed out on. This is why news of PS3 remasters is exciting.
Now I can finally get rid of my old Xbox 360. Who wants tons of boxes around? I can finally sit down with Skyrim (since bethesda isn't releasing an HD version).
A late announcement to be sure, but a very welcome one. My digital titles aren't dead.
KillerSloth
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Sigh, the false equivalencies have started,. PS now is not even about BC...it is about playing games on your TV, tablet..it is a seperate platform.
The thing is they have a 360 x86 emulator, maybe they can start selling these on Windows 10 if they felt like ti 
not every game has a PC version and these all would be unique to their own store with online compatibility with 360 players. Every PC is a 360... never happening but something to think about.
It's just a huge waste, you have these huge catalog of 360 games or PS2/PS3 games all will be rotting forever unless someone wants to invest and remaster them again and obviously that happens for a tiny fraction of them. Might as well extract all the revenue you can from them
not every game has a PC version and these all would be unique to their own store with online compatibility with 360 players. Every PC is a 360... never happening but something to think about.It's just a huge waste, you have these huge catalog of 360 games or PS2/PS3 games all will be rotting forever unless someone wants to invest and remaster them again and obviously that happens for a tiny fraction of them. Might as well extract all the revenue you can from them
capitalCORN
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What's the point of appeasing poor people who can't afford new games? Sony is doing the right thing.
He was saying that he wasn't bothered by BC. The vast majority of gamers consume, discard and move on to the next big thing. I enjoyed my PS3 and 360 whilst I had them but I'm not bothered about going back.
Gj on reading comprehension...
And have you used the feature that is available to Xbox One Preview Members? I'm willing to bet that you haven't.
I actually did...yesterday...and had a flawless experience.
lmfao