Doug Heffernan
Member
Why would a publisher say no to more sales? That's crazy.
"No, I don't like money. Let's deny XB1 owners from purchasing our back catalog of games."
MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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Why would a publisher say no to more sales? That's crazy.
"No, I don't like money. Let's deny XB1 owners from purchasing our back catalog of games."
InsaneTiger
Member
Software emulator take time and money. It may or may not happen. I don't care.
Yeah, having your digital games suddenly pop up on the dashboard is very cool. And while I probably wont replay something like Mass Effect, playing a few rounds of Geometry Wars or Supermeat boy is always great
ChronotriggerJM
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The problem with BC on consoles is that the games run just as well (or terribly) as they did on the console they're from. BC on the computer benefits from beefier hardware, giving increased resolutions, framerates, LOD's, draw distances, etc etc.
BC on a console is a great way to get people to advance from one platform to the next however, as it makes that transition easy, I just imagine it's a bit late for MS now. Had they included this at release it would have made a much more significant impact.
BC on a console is a great way to get people to advance from one platform to the next however, as it makes that transition easy, I just imagine it's a bit late for MS now. Had they included this at release it would have made a much more significant impact.
Killing_Joke
Member
Call me crazy but i'll take cheap remasters over BC. Too many games suffered because of the long dragged out generation. Not saying it's a pointless feature because obviously i would like to have it but if PS3 emulation really is that difficult, i'll rather they focus on other stuff. Look how long suspend play took, obviously this shit isn't as simple as everyone makes it seem
Disappointing response, but:
Yep, I never considered an Xbox 1 before this announcement. Now I'm fairly certain I'll eventually have one, one way or the other. May be a dumb reason to a lot of people, but I'm running out of space in the entertainment center. If I can buy a new console that does a ton of new things and also replaces one of my current aging systems, that's huge for me. Otherwise there's too much overlap between PS4 and X1. But if I have a PS4 and X1+360, then it's a more worthwhile combination.
Yep, I never considered an Xbox 1 before this announcement. Now I'm fairly certain I'll eventually have one, one way or the other. May be a dumb reason to a lot of people, but I'm running out of space in the entertainment center. If I can buy a new console that does a ton of new things and also replaces one of my current aging systems, that's huge for me. Otherwise there's too much overlap between PS4 and X1. But if I have a PS4 and X1+360, then it's a more worthwhile combination.
panama chief
Member
Cause he's downplaying the importance of backwards compatibility while charging for the same service.
If the percentage of people who want it is so small, why are they even trying with PS Now?
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
It will be used on XB1 simply because of digital games which have never been in play before. They are just there staring you in the face, you don't need to do anything.
Also he brings up the OS where MS are way ahead of Sony regardless.
Also he brings up the OS where MS are way ahead of Sony regardless.
TerryWogan
Member
He really shouldn't be telling us what we want. I'd love to know how they have analysed the use of backwards compatability since the only console capable of such analysis was so short-lived.
PlayStation has one of the richest back catalogues in console history. Absolutely ridiculous to suggest it wouldn't be used.
PlayStation has one of the richest back catalogues in console history. Absolutely ridiculous to suggest it wouldn't be used.
Schweinehund
Member
"there's ps now and remasters I guess"
I'd atleast appreciate it if we got some PS/PS2 cross buy from ps3.
I'd atleast appreciate it if we got some PS/PS2 cross buy from ps3.
When did I ever say that? All I meant was that if you want BC on the PS4, that's the best you'll be getting.
Close to the truth.
True. The rise of digital makes the capacity for backwards compatibility so much more attractive. I would get a ton of use out of it, personally.
But yeah, assuming the PS3 is simply too difficult to emulate to be worth it, at the very least PS4 users should eventually be given access to the same retro library the PS3 had.
MassiveNights
Banned
At least Microsoft doesn't charge us for the games we already own
Like Halo?
Journey
Banned
It's very impressive what MS has achieved. I do not believe Sony could pull off something similar (thanks Cell). Hopefully MS commits to really going all the way with it.
What else can he say? I do not believe they could pull it off technically. It's out of the question.
Absolutely.
I still want it on PS4 though. Can't say I'm not disappointed, but I figured this is what they'd say.
When my friend asks me what system to buy for her Xbox 360 owning child, I have no choice but recommend getting an Xbox One. And I never would have made that recommendation before the BC announcement. It would have been brilliant strategy to have ready at launch. Now it's just a way to stop the hemoraging of 360 gamers over to PS4.
3rdamention
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I think some people are forgetting that PS Now isn't just exclusively some paid backwards compatibility solution for PlayStation 4.
It is its own platform, that offers PlayStation titles on Vita, Smart TVs, tablets, phones, and maybe even PC at some point. PS Now was always aimed to be larger than just allowing you to play old PlayStation titles on PS4.
I dont really think you can compare Microsoft offering backwards compatibility on the Xbox One to what Sony has in PS Now.
It is its own platform, that offers PlayStation titles on Vita, Smart TVs, tablets, phones, and maybe even PC at some point. PS Now was always aimed to be larger than just allowing you to play old PlayStation titles on PS4.
I dont really think you can compare Microsoft offering backwards compatibility on the Xbox One to what Sony has in PS Now.
you're crazy
The Jackdog
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I've played a few games on my X1 using BC so far and honestly they perform great.
I think platform holders are going to start to NEED to invest in BC. The new consoles are basically PC's as it is.
With so many digital games too, upgrading may make a lot of users hesitant next gen. Trade in your xbox one/ps4 you lose all those games. Unless its BC
FonkyByNature
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I don't want to defend the Sony PR guy but i very very rarely use BC for new consoles.
Actually, i'm only interested in Super Meat Boy, Shadow Complex and Outrun from my 360 and i'm not even sure these titles are compatible right now. As for the rest, i absolutely don't care for the other titles as they are old and most of them didn't age well.
When Phil Spencer announced the backward compatibility, i thought it was good for PR but didn't do much for me personally and i'm sure a lot of people feel the same.
Actually, i'm only interested in Super Meat Boy, Shadow Complex and Outrun from my 360 and i'm not even sure these titles are compatible right now. As for the rest, i absolutely don't care for the other titles as they are old and most of them didn't age well.
When Phil Spencer announced the backward compatibility, i thought it was good for PR but didn't do much for me personally and i'm sure a lot of people feel the same.
Yeah i know, but it's the only way to play ps3 games on a ps4.
Ninja Scooter
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Would have been a bigger incentive 2 years ago though. MS has to be kicking themselves for not including this as a launch feature instead of allthe $$$ wasted on Kinect. It probably would have made a lot of people that jumped from 360 to PS4 think twice.
Different things, PSNOW is looking to open up to smart TV's and tablets etc, it's also a way of future proofing for things like PS4 when the PS5 comes out or dare I say it, getting rid of the concept of consoles in the far away future.
That said, B/C is one of the most used features I use in the first couple of years in a generation, and given this years E3 I think MS are a little late to bring B/C that would have a meaningful impact this generation looks to finally be in full swing from this holiday onward.
KillerSloth
Banned
That's not slighty true, they have a few things sony has a few things. Best OS feature this gen MS does not have ,, share play. PS4 is also faster, more responsive, and easy to use.
Wasn't happening, no way to properly emulate Cell.
MS should have kickstarted for BC support before launch.
MS should have kickstarted for BC support before launch.
Back in the early days of the PS Now closed beta you could. Sadly, when they opened it up and set prices for everything you wre no longer able to stream games you held a digital license to for free. That's the main reason why I don't really use the service anymore. I'd rather just turn on my PS3 than pay $5 to play a game I own. Most of the time I realize that I didn't really want to go back and play it in the first place.
Definitely. I bet if Spencer was head throughout the entire development of the XBO, things would be different.
Delusibeta
Banned
People are massively overstating how many boxes Microsoft will move as a result of this announcement, and subsequently how much post-launch interest Microsoft will put into this project.
Prediction: the launch line up (ie the games available when this feature leaves preview) will consist of at least 66% of the total number of 360 games being made playable on the Xbone over the console's lifetime.
Prediction: the launch line up (ie the games available when this feature leaves preview) will consist of at least 66% of the total number of 360 games being made playable on the Xbone over the console's lifetime.
BuffetChamp
Banned
No kidding. Sony making EA shine. Never thought I'd see the day.
Last_colossi
Member
I don't see PlayStation bringing PS3 BC to PS4 anytime soon or at all for that matter as the PS3s architecture is quite a bit more complex and more difficult to emulate, it's probably possible but extremely difficult and time/cost consuming. I still think PlayStation should really bring PS1 & PS2 BC to PS4 though as they are much easier to emulate (the PS3 was powerful enough) and more feasible, but don't charge me for the same game again Sony!
Zeyphersan
Banned
A lot of the time, the solution of "Oh just keep your old consoles around" isn't desired. I know for me personally, I want to keep the games, but reduce my physical clutter to a minimum. I'm not a collector, I don't have walls of video game cases or a room dedicated to old consoles. But I do want to continue playing the older games I have bought, on the minimum amount of hardware I can own. I appreciate BC, even if I don't actively use it as much as playing newer stuff, I truly appreciate that it's there.
TheGamingBox
Banned
well nope, just going on experience with og xbox emulation on 360,
and if the 360 emulator is much better in comparison, than that will be great
At the very least when PSNow fails those PS3s can be re-purposed to run any code. Dunno how good CELL is as general processor though.
Its agonising on the X1 as well yet Msoft is doing it...
Well, they have said their emulation actually works on all of the softwares present in the 360, the publishers are the one deciding which one is to cockblock the emulation due to Licensing (or the remastering potential)
Agreed, but what MS achieved wasnt a walk in park neither. MS considered BC important over other opportunities, while Sony didnt and have looked elsewhere to invest is the way I read that statement.
Knowing how important BC is when weighing up moving to the next generation its a great strategy for MS. Personally I went out of my way to get a BC PS3 but tbh I never used that function beyond a few games.
The thing is its still a feature that would have a major impact to my decision making even if I didnt really end up using it. I think a lot of people think the same...
I dont see PS Now as a replacement to BC, more like a proof-of-concept of the potential of game streaming, you dont invest into Gaikai and Onlive just to use that tech just for BC
ps3ud0 8)
.... ok....
Actually its not about Sony doing the right thing, they are doing the only thing they can do. Software emulation isnt possible, and a $600 PS4 would have probably sunk the entire corp.
deranged_666
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Just my opinion here, of course...
The backwards compatibility announcement was great for MS, but I feel that it's a little overblown for a few reasons. This is coming from a former 360 owner, btw:
1. In the grand scheme of things, there really aren't that many timeless classics in the 360 library that aren't already being remade or have been remade for the XB1. You have the Master Chief Collection, and now Gears of War. The 360 had a good library of games for sure, but a lot of them, I feel, don't have a high replay value.
2. Microsoft and third party partners have a history of almost totally abandoning their previous generation console as soon as the new one comes out, and the same is true for the 360.
3. I'm seeing parallels to when the Virtual Console idea was first announced on the Wii. People were immediately stoked because the idea was that nearly every single classic Nintendo title, and most big titles on other retro consoles, would be made available. Of course, the problem with that was with licensing agreements and things of that sort that meant a very slow rollout of coveted titles, and some titles never making it in the first place. To me, the proof is in the pudding how closely XB1 BC is going to compare...I think a huge red flag should be raised that games have to go through an approval process initiated by the content owners (this is how I heard it during the press event, please correct me if I'm wrong).
So, yeah. It's probably a pretty cool upgrade incentive for people clutching to the 360, but I don't see this as being a huge megaton type thing.
The backwards compatibility announcement was great for MS, but I feel that it's a little overblown for a few reasons. This is coming from a former 360 owner, btw:
1. In the grand scheme of things, there really aren't that many timeless classics in the 360 library that aren't already being remade or have been remade for the XB1. You have the Master Chief Collection, and now Gears of War. The 360 had a good library of games for sure, but a lot of them, I feel, don't have a high replay value.
2. Microsoft and third party partners have a history of almost totally abandoning their previous generation console as soon as the new one comes out, and the same is true for the 360.
3. I'm seeing parallels to when the Virtual Console idea was first announced on the Wii. People were immediately stoked because the idea was that nearly every single classic Nintendo title, and most big titles on other retro consoles, would be made available. Of course, the problem with that was with licensing agreements and things of that sort that meant a very slow rollout of coveted titles, and some titles never making it in the first place. To me, the proof is in the pudding how closely XB1 BC is going to compare...I think a huge red flag should be raised that games have to go through an approval process initiated by the content owners (this is how I heard it during the press event, please correct me if I'm wrong).
So, yeah. It's probably a pretty cool upgrade incentive for people clutching to the 360, but I don't see this as being a huge megaton type thing.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Have you seen the new upcoming XB1 UI? It's pretty slick.
PS Now is there 'response' to the lack of BC with PS3 software....so there really isn't much for them to comment on :l; the PS3's Cell is needed for proper PS3 emulation on PS4 hardware and without the Cell, its close to impossible to do 
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The best thing I could see them doing is offering a 'free upgrade' system for PS3 owners that got the digital versions of games; if you won the Uncharted series digitally, get a steep discount on the Uncharted Collection or get part of that collection for free. Own Last of Us on PS3? Get the PS4 version for free or get the Left Behind content for free while the Last of Us core game is heavily discounted.
They also could finally add PS1 and PS2 Classics support for the PS4 and pay some companies like Sega, Capcom, ect for PS4 ports of PSN tittles.
. The best thing I could see them doing is offering a 'free upgrade' system for PS3 owners that got the digital versions of games; if you won the Uncharted series digitally, get a steep discount on the Uncharted Collection or get part of that collection for free. Own Last of Us on PS3? Get the PS4 version for free or get the Left Behind content for free while the Last of Us core game is heavily discounted.
They also could finally add PS1 and PS2 Classics support for the PS4 and pay some companies like Sega, Capcom, ect for PS4 ports of PSN tittles.
KillerSloth
Banned
Spencer has been a top player at xbox for years, please, he was as involved as any and behind the x1 as much as anyone. He was also behind their lack lustre first party for years. THis Spencer worship is odd and makes no sense. All MS was behind X1 not just mattrick , it's not how business works.
Yeah but ps4's is already.
Super_Cobra
Member
When I had my fat PS3, I never used the backwards compatibility. Honestly I don't care to play PS3 games on ps4. But to each his/her own I guess.