TGO
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Thats not really the same.
But all our PSone/PS2 Classics can be ported, especially the PSone Classics.
MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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But all our PSone/PS2 Classics can be ported, especially the PSone Classics.
shanafan
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I am a pretty happy consumer with BC.
I still play COD Wii titles on my Wii U, and it's a flawless feature.
I love BC on the Wii because I can play GameCube games in 480p without needing a $200+ cable.
So yeah, very excited about BC possibilities on the 360. I wish I had an original PS3 so I could play PS2 titles. I do have a nice PS1 collection still for my PS3.
I still play COD Wii titles on my Wii U, and it's a flawless feature.
I love BC on the Wii because I can play GameCube games in 480p without needing a $200+ cable.
So yeah, very excited about BC possibilities on the 360. I wish I had an original PS3 so I could play PS2 titles. I do have a nice PS1 collection still for my PS3.
They said trying to port that to the PS4 nearly killed them, it's not a simple task to move one game built on one pain in the assignment architecture to another one.
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I keep all consoles but if I were a one console buyer, this would be my line of thinking. That said, I still have games in plastic for both PS3 and 360 and I have both PS4 and XB1 consoles. If I could use those consoles since I like the controllers and features more than their predecessors, that would be great. When I get some downtime, I'm going to actually play Banjo Nuts and Bolts on my XB1 as well. I have a launch day PS3, I still do play some PS2 games as well. I played and beat God of War 2 and FF12 on my PS3.
RedSparrows
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Sure it has been said, but the cool thing for me in this is XBLA/GOD titles being integrated direct in to my Xbone Game Library. That removes a lot of the mental gap between current and previous gen, and makes it easy to use as can be.
A) I was just calling you crazy because you asked
B) that's some major spin dude, wow
Ninja Scooter
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Nobody offers what PSNow does for free. PSNow is a streaming service. It's a completely separate service. It doesn't cause your PS3 and PS3 games to stop working. If I own a movie on DVD should I be entitled so stream it from Netflix for free?
Okay, so you just read the article completely wrong then? I guess that knee jerk must have hit your head
Are you dense?
This is an old and tired argument that does nothing to move the conversation forward. It's also false. Go check the recent Street Fighter V exclusivity thread and you'll see that it's full of people levying the same arguments against Sony as they did MS when they announced Rise of the Tomb Raider as an XB1 exclusive.
No matter how popular a platform is with consumers no company is beyond reproach.
By redeveloping it and charging $50 for it.
I think this is very good point.
We are extremely close to the last generation, a generation where online play was used extensively, unlike PS2/Xbox gen. Additionally, over half of my friends are still playing 360 and don't own an Xbox One. I sent my 360 to Microsoft for the 100 dollar credit for the Xbone so I cannot play with my 360 friends.
Now not only do I have an option to play 360 games, I can play these games with native 360 users (over half my friends list) while still being able to use Xbone cool stuff like record, twitch, etc.
I don't think comparing BC usage from PS3-PS2 and Xbox 360-Xbox is comparable to Xbox-Xbox360 BC.
small44
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Difficult to emulate yes but imposible i don't believe it
TerryWogan
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Shh.
It might be helpful if someone would explain what it is and what it's setting out to do, instead of just saying what it is supposedly not there for.
Right now it seems to be the only way if you want to play old games on your PS4
rokkerkory
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Yes, if the show or movie was created by Netflix and you have a Netflix account.
Are you serious right now, bro? LMAO
THIS. I would have loved BC, but by the time I could afford a PS3, the first model was no longer being produced (and I had no intention of buying used, given the lack of warranty). I know the Cell is apparently non-emulatable (lol), but it would be so amazing if the PS4 could do what the One is doing.
Ninja Scooter
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You mean I have to pay a subscription? This needs a hashtag campaign.
I am not seeing why?
I'll be honest, I own an X1 and am even in the preview program, and probably won't use BC. I had a launch PS3 and also never used BC on that either. I've only ever played old games on PC. So honestly, if you asked me, I would rather they spend money investing in other features.
If Don Matterick was right and the % of overall users is that low that use BC, then I think companies should focus on features the majority would use and not pleasing the minority. That said, MS has the money to roll this, so good for them. Any feature that pleases even a small % is still a great feature (if you can afford it).
Sonys claim they are spending money on other features that pleases the majority, doesn't entirely hold weight since they did PS Now though.
If Don Matterick was right and the % of overall users is that low that use BC, then I think companies should focus on features the majority would use and not pleasing the minority. That said, MS has the money to roll this, so good for them. Any feature that pleases even a small % is still a great feature (if you can afford it).
Sonys claim they are spending money on other features that pleases the majority, doesn't entirely hold weight since they did PS Now though.
I would say with the rise of digital games last generation, more people were expecting BC moving forward to bring those games along. Having those games instantly pop into your ready to install list on the Xbox One is pretty cool. I really won't use discs much but being able to instantly launch into 360 games from my Xbox One is a very welcomed feature.
Weltall Zero
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Seriously? Fuck all that if the tradeoff is no BC
. I would rather have them say "it's technologically impossible" than "we could do it, but you don't really want it, trust us".
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I do not have an Amazon Prime Video account, but my purchases are available free to stream and download because they belong to me.
It hasn't launched yet, that's not until the fall. The 'preview' only has 20 titles' They intend to have hundreds of supported games.
Also people arguing about PS Now Being their solution for BC. I dont think that was even the case. The biggest advantage they can have with PSNow is that it can allow them to kill off manufacturing of PS3s alot sooner and offer a cloud based solution which in the long run will save them a lot of money imo. Also allows them to get casual users via different gaming sources like tvs,pstv etc. They probably will be expanding it in the near future and who knows they probably will offer a solution for people to play digital games they own on PS3 with PSNow and possibly offer PS games from PS1 on.
That was a custom port, obviously. And ND said it was very difficult due to how games had to be specifically programmed to use the Cell.
And porting isn't just about hardware differences. It's also the OS and the software libraries. MS has stuck with a Windows kernel and DirectX libraries on all their consoles. I don't know much about the PS OSes and APIs, but if they weren't specifically trying to be BC, it's probably not.
The biggest hurdle for MS was the different hardware architecture, and that's a walk in the park compared to the Cell.
SpasilliumX11
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Hidden One
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Could Sony even go BC on PS4? PS3 used the cell so is it even possible?
TerryWogan
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Hundreds if not thousands of dollars invested in digital titles which people can no longer play without keeping their old console hooked up is a pretty good reason.
the x360/PS3 were the first consoles to have an extensive digital library and at the moment most of those games are locked to that specific hardware. it'd be nice to be able to bring digital purchases forward with you.
My point is that with every generation comes a new set of hardware, different from its predecessors and yet BC was still a thing up until this gen. I know not all games were BC on the 360 and the PS3 but it still happened. I'm sure if Sony worked hard enough it's possible for them in some shape or form but if they don't think it's feasible, then that's a separate decision.
Ninja Scooter
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AyaisMUsikWhore
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Here the difference between backwards compatibility versus a streaming service
Say for instance, I want to play Shenume 1&2. It's very hard to find in stores because everyone has it and it's on eBay for a ridiculous price
But I can rent it, stream it an play it on multiple devices that isn't just stuck to my system at home. I can play it on my tablet, TV, even vita if I want to or smartphone and cheaper than paying for the game all together.
Both of them are ideal, but both of them serve different purposes..
PSNow isn't backward compatibility. It's a Netflix for games you want to play that you don't have or if you want, can rent for the day because you can't be bothered to driving to you local gamestop and paying $15.00 just to return it when your done. Backward compatibility is just to do the opposite. They aren't the same remotely and exist to serve different purposes. How is that not hard to comprehend.
Say for instance, I want to play Shenume 1&2. It's very hard to find in stores because everyone has it and it's on eBay for a ridiculous price
But I can rent it, stream it an play it on multiple devices that isn't just stuck to my system at home. I can play it on my tablet, TV, even vita if I want to or smartphone and cheaper than paying for the game all together.
Both of them are ideal, but both of them serve different purposes..
PSNow isn't backward compatibility. It's a Netflix for games you want to play that you don't have or if you want, can rent for the day because you can't be bothered to driving to you local gamestop and paying $15.00 just to return it when your done. Backward compatibility is just to do the opposite. They aren't the same remotely and exist to serve different purposes. How is that not hard to comprehend.
bigbaldwolf86
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Leave PS3 bc with PS Now as it really does seem like tje best solution although the pricing model is insane. They could emulate Pas1/2 games though
SuperRaddy
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If it's not such a greatly used feature why are they having a business model around ps now which is essentially the same but being charged for it. Weak argument on his part.
Times have changed. People now own multiple digital games as well as being invested in a games online offering and it's community. Having my Arcade games auto transfer over (I'm already playing the shit out of Super Meat boy and keflings) has been really good. Then we have the potential for the likes of Gears 3, Left 4 Dead, Older COD games, Red Dead, older Halo titles to all have their online accessible on one console from another.
I said it earlier but the fact that you can play with, message and even party chat with people on the 360 from the X1 is fantastic. I've still got a few friends who havent made the switch so jumping back on the older games with them without the need for a 360 is very cool.
Now obviously we arent going to see anywhere near the full 360 library (be suprised if they even get close to half) brought over but there is potential here for a lot of older high quality online experiences to have new life breathed in to them.
I said it earlier but the fact that you can play with, message and even party chat with people on the 360 from the X1 is fantastic. I've still got a few friends who havent made the switch so jumping back on the older games with them without the need for a 360 is very cool.
Now obviously we arent going to see anywhere near the full 360 library (be suprised if they even get close to half) brought over but there is potential here for a lot of older high quality online experiences to have new life breathed in to them.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Are you having a laugh? It's a mess. I also get constant issues, especially with things not loading in.
How do you feel it is limited in terms of BC? The only things I know of are that it doesnt' support USB peripherals, Kinect or (currently) multi-disc games.
Otherwise, it seems to be full Xbox 360 emulation. Yesterday, I just turned my system on and had 6 games in my library ready to download and install. From what I've tried thus far, they operate exactly how they would on the 360 and the XB1 treats them the same as any other game or app.
Also, regarding 3rd party studios blocking it... considering there are at least two major games (Rainbow Six and Fallout) that are offering the 360 versions for free with the XB1 games, I think they might be ok with it.
sturgboski
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That was the read between the lines part of the PR. Essentially they invested heavily in streaming gaming services that they can charge ala carte or monthly sub in order to get a semblance of backward compatibility. Why give up all that potential revenue in order to pay a lot to develop a feature that will be free to majority of folks (only making the money on new software sales).
Basically it's what I expected Sony to do, but disappointed all the same. Once PS Now was introduced backwards compatibility was off the table.
shanafan
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I would have bet that Sony may have dropped a bomb at E3 and bundle PSNow with PS Plus for the cost of Plus. That would have been a huge counter for Sony. And, I would have been so on board with that.
But, their interests were in games that are coming out over 2 years from now.
Devilgunman
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Then don't. PS Now was created not only to be BC solution for PS4 owners, but also to expand PS library to those who don't own any PS console.
As has been stated multiple times throughout this thread, PS Now isn't exclusively for backwards compatibility. Sure, it plays a part in what PS Now is, but, first and foremost it is a streaming service. You can stream PS3 titles to many devices including TVs and smartphones. It's not just games you own to your current gen console. The comparison is apples to oranges.
Ninja Scooter
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what does Last of Us have to do with any of that? Last of Us isn't running on an emulator.
Corronchilejano
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If the PS4 had BC Id be all over it.