Zombegoast
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Look at Square Enix and Nintendo.
MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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Look at Square Enix and Nintendo.
Considering this data had to be based on OG Xbox to Xbox 360, then it is apples to oranges. The OG Xbox had a small software library compared the 360 and the 360 had a digital library of games as well.
I am loving the BC announcement as I have a decent sized digital library of games on 360 that I should be able to play on Xbox One.
Killing_Joke
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GOW collection (included 4 remasters), KH collection, MGS collection, ICO collection, TLOU, DMC, and ZOE. Probably spent near $100 for all those games by discounts and waiting. If i had to choose having PS2 BC all gen or the remasters. I'll pick the remasters. Of course everyone will say "why not both?" but remasters probably wouldn't have even happened if Sony kept BC around.
Zeyphersan
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They're both important. Encouraging people to invest in a digital library and then expecting them to be totally alright with abandoning every console generation is pretty shitty, especially coming from a PC where I don't even have to think about it
In the case of PS1 and PS2 Classics, they had set a precedent with PS1 classics by letting multiple machines use them (PSP, PS3, PSV). I fully expected my purchases of old, emulated games to carry forward based on that, and it's really upsetting that they're not
CalamityPixel
Member
Eh, that would cause a lot of shit if that happened.
RichiRamjag
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Justify it how? I'm a PC gamer, no preference for either. The guy was honest and said they'd rather spend resources elsewhere. He was quite honest. The EA thing was a little slimy though.
Well let's give it a few months and see if that reaction results in sales. Otherwise, we're all whistling dixie
DrROBschiz
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Everyone I know thats used it say its unplayable at worst and Tolerable at best.
Its highly dependent on factors outside their control which is why Emualation will always be a superior option for legacy play
Or just compatible infrastructure of all software regardless.
Exactly. I bought it because of it, and looking back all i wanted to play on it were new games and thats all I played. Its a feature for the super hardcore crowd. Average Joe who i guess may at max buy 3-5 console games a year not so much. They probably also either traded in their old systems and games to get the new one or kept the old system coupled with their old library. Many people will argue that its a huge deal on here but again for the average consumer who is obsessed with shiny&new not so much.
and speaking for me the main reason I really have no desire to revisit most older games unless they are 2D because to me many 3D games really really dont age well especially after experiencing games on a newer system. But again to each their own.
LordBaztion
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Its interesting that, the X1 is (will be) more or less a PC running W10. So, emulating Xbox 360 games the way X1 does on a PC may not be too far away. It would be great if MS starts publishing Xbox 360 games for PC on Windows Store.
Gen.Grievous
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That's what he should have said. Better than PR speak.
Not a surprise. Ignoring challenge of emulating PS3 - which would be tough I'm sure - Sony had long shown they'd written BC off as a major point: something a vocal minority would like but mass market in actuality ignores.
They've also seen they can monetise old games by moving away from idea of BC to streaming titles and remasters.
I'm pretty sure MS's original plans were far closer to Sonys and the BC - while welcome - is a response to being behind and trying to encourage a move from 360 to XB1. It's also a bit of a PR win as it was obvious Sony was going the other way.
I doubt it'll help XB1 that much overall but it's nice for those that want it and I suspect it's s case of every bit that helps is good for MS.
They've also seen they can monetise old games by moving away from idea of BC to streaming titles and remasters.
I'm pretty sure MS's original plans were far closer to Sonys and the BC - while welcome - is a response to being behind and trying to encourage a move from 360 to XB1. It's also a bit of a PR win as it was obvious Sony was going the other way.
I doubt it'll help XB1 that much overall but it's nice for those that want it and I suspect it's s case of every bit that helps is good for MS.
SEGAvangelist
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I think what separates MS's version of backward compatibility from previous consoles is the inclusion of 360 games into the Xbox One (soon to be Windows 10) ecosystem. All games can use GameDVR, Screenshots, Twitch streaming, and Snap. That's huge. All notifications will show when playing 360 games so you'll never feel removed from next gen features while playing previous gen games. Once I tried it out I was sold on how great this form of BC really is.
Sony doesn't seem to get it at all based on their responses.
Sony doesn't seem to get it at all based on their responses.
well... when you're dealing with a maximum of 24 million who bought the Xbox
if 80 million bought Xbox 360 and 5% used it... that translates to 4 million users
well... only 24 million bought the original Xbox. so 4 million out of 24 million that bought an Xbox used their Xbox 360 for backwards compatibility = 16.6%
that's all i'm saying
Well fine, make tiers then.
The comment is likely based on older consoles
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
No matter how loud you say it people just don't seem to listen. For some reason a very large amount of people fail to understand what PS Now is and what it's setting out to do.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Sony should reduce the price of PSNow to compete at the very least.
Ninja Scooter
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Not sure what the numbers are for Xbox, but IIRC Sony estimates that half of PS4 owners did not own a PS3, so I have to wonder if that factors into their decision about how much desire there really is for BC.
I found it funny that two/three things he mentioned have been on the XB1 since launch and you have people in here justifying it, just like you had people defending Sony's stance on EA Access.
Also its funny to see so many people downplay PSNows BC like that isn't its only use currently and threads surrounding it on here are people happy to play old games on their PS4. Nothing too surprising, though.
StalkerUKCG
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Got a link to this? I'd love to watch
FinalStageBoss
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Tbh i never gave a shit about BC when I had it on PS3(still have a phat), and I don't give a shit now. Doesn't surprise me when he says it wasn't widely used.
BabyFaceKillah
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How people can say BC ain't shit but ask for ps1/PS2 games on ps4 is crazy to me.
Anyways I'll most likely use it for all the digital titles I have on 360 but haven't played for whatever reason.
Anyways I'll most likely use it for all the digital titles I have on 360 but haven't played for whatever reason.
RedAssedApe
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yeah. that's actually a really cool thing. every now and then there's an itch you want to scratch.
hopefully the digital prices come down like steam. digital pricing for a lot of old titles make absolutely no sense compared to their retail box equivalents.
PS2/Xbox games started looking like crap once you got used to HD gaming. Xbox 360 games in 720p still look great as far as I'm concerned. That's why I am more interested in backwards compatibility this gen than last gen.
Also, I moved the Xbox 360 upstairs to the play room for my son, and the Xbox One stays in the living room. Now I'll be able to play some games I never finished.
Also, I moved the Xbox 360 upstairs to the play room for my son, and the Xbox One stays in the living room. Now I'll be able to play some games I never finished.
ChaosZeroX
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I actually like this reply from Jim. I understand why Microsoft is doing it, but it just seems like a waste of money in the long run. How many people actually use the backwards compatibility? I had a Day 1 PS3 and I never used it for that.
Plus the backwards compatibility is limited on alot of things. Its not even true backwards compatibility. They hit a PR home run for sure with their wording.
Plus the backwards compatibility is limited on alot of things. Its not even true backwards compatibility. They hit a PR home run for sure with their wording.
TerryWogan
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It can only possibly be based on usage data from the launch PS3. Pretty small slice of their userbase. Which is why this is bullshit.
Devilgunman
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It sounds reasonable why Sony don't pursue BC. They clearly have limited manpower and money to works on so many different projects at the same time
- 1st party PS4 games
- 3rd party collaboration
- PS4 UI update and possibly a new PS4 sku
- VR hardware and software development
- PS Now
- PS Vue
You can't expect them to cover every single request that gamers made.
- 1st party PS4 games
- 3rd party collaboration
- PS4 UI update and possibly a new PS4 sku
- VR hardware and software development
- PS Now
- PS Vue
You can't expect them to cover every single request that gamers made.
I didn't see that quote in the article where is it? I just saw "it's not so greatly used"
He even goes in to extolle the importance of platform differentiation and so if backwards compatibility is important to you, go to Xbox
Captain Smirk
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Man I love Jim Ryan, always gets asked the hard shit whilst the rest of Sony are personalities
Pritchardo
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having banjo or any other xbla game just pop up in my games list is brilliant, now i just install rather than dig out my 360 and have to listen the to the loud fans of the console compared to near silent xbox. digital titles makes b/c worth much more now.
This. Plus no casuals are going to care about playing old games on a brand new console, especially when we're now a year & a half into the newer gen.
Sony tried that with PS3 being backwards compatible with PS2 games in the beginning of last gen, & looked at how well that worked out. People were more concerned about the price tag than that.
TerryWogan
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Thanks mate. You're great at arguing.
I understand that's Sony's long term angle and it's cool. As an owner of a lot of Xbox 360 and PS3 games, I still have my PS3 & 360 setup, so I can play games I've brought in sales and are in my backlog. Being able to just have my faves on my next gen system without faffing about with other things is a better solution for me.
Your milage as to whether you find this appealing or not, will vary from gamer to gamer.
NavyPharaoh
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This is how I feel. I was excited as hell when they first announced it. Now that e3 is over, the drought this gen is over. Early in a console gen, when the games are few, is the best time to take advantage of BC. With the upcoming lineup of games, I'm not going to have time to go back.
Happy for those that this helps though. I needed this sooner cause this fall is going to be insane, next spring too. Staying current is its own challenge
Am I the only one that thought after they said "we won't charge u for games you already own." What the hell do u call the MCC then? Then We're getting Gears Remastered later in the press conference lol
Then how did we get Last of Us on the PS4? That's not an excuse anymore.
It'll also be extremely limited on XB1 (12 titles now, 100 by end of year if there is enough interest). So if it's important to you get a 360/PS3 until Emulators can pick up the slack.
TheDarkTriforce
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This! Sony wants you to pay for something which others offer for free. As hard as it sounds, it is how it is and i don't understand why gamers Support those practices.
People with huge bias will only see what they want to see man.
Ninja Scooter
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Is this a serious question?
rokkerkory
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It's because they want to push a paid service ie more money, which is fine but I won't pay for my game twice.
That game was ported over not emulated.