Because physical media and digital media aren't the same thing. Yeah, it's a lot more ridiculous considering the X1 is doing it for free currently. Then offer an upgraded tier PS+ tier or eat the cost with all the people playing on their TVs/Tablets since evidently few will take advantage of BC anyways.
MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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Because physical media and digital media aren't the same thing. Yeah, it's a lot more ridiculous considering the X1 is doing it for free currently. Then offer an upgraded tier PS+ tier or eat the cost with all the people playing on their TVs/Tablets since evidently few will take advantage of BC anyways.
No but you should your PS4 play it via PS now.
SocksAndShoes
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And so is MS -- you need to buy an XB1 or XB360 to play those games.
Also, why in the world would someone own a ton of titles for a console they no longer own? That's incredibly bizarre to me.
This is like complaining that Netflix charges you to watch DVD's you already own.
I don't know about anyone else, but I bought a shitload of digital content last-gen that I want access to beings it is tied to the same account I am using on the next-gen systems. Being able to have access to many of those 360 games on the Xbox One, plus my disk games IS a big deal.
KillerSloth
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?? No they are not...you don't have to play those if you already own them? and no one forces someone to trade in their ps3? PS now is more about playing games on another device without a console, one is limited, ps now does a heck of a lot more the MS limited BC.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Or you know, you can play in your PS3 if you don't want to. You aren't forced to pay and it isn't a backwards solution. If I have never played Assassin Creed 1 and i can rent it for $2 versus paying maybe $10 for it at gamestop and I can literally play it on just my TV, just my Tablet or Just my Smartphone are you telling me it's stupid just because I'm supposed to already have it? Come on... They can coexist, this isn't a one solution kills all.
CorporateClown
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I'd love for the PS4 to have BC, but it's kind of pointless now. During the first year or so then I'd still play those older games, but now that I have a PS4 backlog developing, when would I ever play those old PS3 games?
It's a great PR move for MS, but I doubt it will have any real impact on sales two years into this gen.
It's a great PR move for MS, but I doubt it will have any real impact on sales two years into this gen.
They had a 360 last gen and have lots of digital games. How is that bizarre?
Running the full OS doesn't mean all the low level calls respond in the same way. Many games abuse the official API to get everything to run well and those games are the one that create bugs for the EMU. Even with having the hardware in the early PS3's a small percentage of games were unplayable ~5%. When they moved to part software part hardware it was 20%.
For the XB1, it's different enough that they probably have to do specific fixes ona per game basis.
I would say this will be big for eco system mind share. Instead of all those digital purchases becoming worthless they can still potentially still be used. I think people will have a lot more confidence in MS going into the future with the ECO system. I am probably going to buy a XBOX one. I never thought I would say that after what they pulled pre launch. But I have a good amount of digital content including rock band DLC that will work with rock band 4. I think this puts pressure on Sony to do something for those with all that worthless PS3 digital content they can't use on the PS4.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Well you could be clear that you are playing laggy, blocky, network reliant versions of the games on PSNOW for a start.
KillerSloth
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Yep, it makes no sense. It's a totally different service.
MrGreencastle
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wut.
Have you even tried it? It's pretty much perfect. Better than playing on 360, even. In a multitude of ways. I don't even understand this post.
According to Phil on Giantbomb last night, they do not have to do this. All they do is repackage the game for download and run a QA test then it's ready to ship - no extra work is needed on their part aside from that they are still working on how to handle multi-disc games.
SocksAndShoes
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Because personally if I owned lots of digital games, I wouldn't sell the console they were attached to.
Not to mention that there is no guarantee that all the games you own will work with this new BC.
KillerSloth
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Spoken like someone who clearly has not tried PSnow............... MS BC will be limited like it was on 360, more a PR move then anything.
Ninja Scooter
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For the purposes of the Xbox and PS3, physical and digital media are the exact same thing. One isn't easier to emulate than the other. If you own a PS3 full of digital games versus a PS3 with nothing but a physical library, the solution to your problem isn't any easier. You will still need to keep your PS3 to play your games. I don't understand this idea that "But people have hundreds of dollars invested in digital PS3 purchases so that changes things" has any merit at all. People also have hundreds if not thousands of dollars invested in physical PS3 purchases.
That MS is doing it is fantastic. And don't get me wrong, if Sony did it too that'd be great. I can also understand why they aren't doing it. It's a business decision. Not everything is good and evil. Not every decision these guys make is pro-consumer and anti-consumer.
Owned by the same company tied to the same accounts you purchased them digitally on with their last console. If Netflix sold movies, had a service where they're tied to your name and then made you pay to watch them digitally, then you could compare them.
tinfoilhatman
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Cell architecture continues to show how much of a giant failure and pain in the ass it was..................
They CAN'T do it that's why their NOT doing it........anything else is non-sense.
They CAN'T do it that's why their NOT doing it........anything else is non-sense.
ChaosZeroX
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I didn't have a huge library. I ended up selling alot of the game I didn't want. I have games from the PS1 era forward that I kept because I love those games.
Is the feature less used than paying outrageous amounts to rent the same old games on PSNow?
BC is one of the great appeals of PC and Nintendo gaming, and it's nice to see MS having the feature on each of their successor consoles. I would love for OG Xbox BC as well added, as I have a lot of my old games still. The XB1 approach is awesome because you can play online titles as well, so it might keep some communities going long after the 360 hardware has been sunset.
It is too bad that Sony is being dismissive to its fanbase about this, especially when they are pushing streamed BC at such a high price point, so clearly this is more demand to play old games than they want to admit.
BC is one of the great appeals of PC and Nintendo gaming, and it's nice to see MS having the feature on each of their successor consoles. I would love for OG Xbox BC as well added, as I have a lot of my old games still. The XB1 approach is awesome because you can play online titles as well, so it might keep some communities going long after the 360 hardware has been sunset.
It is too bad that Sony is being dismissive to its fanbase about this, especially when they are pushing streamed BC at such a high price point, so clearly this is more demand to play old games than they want to admit.
KillerSloth
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It's not just their console, it's samsung TV;s tablets, phones.......so no. Many people using ps now don't ever to have owned the console, so that argument makes zero sense.
BC is a resource hog, Microsoft have to pay people to work on each title one by one for no profit but will gain lots of good will.
I have 0 Xbox games so I won't see the benefit. But the aim is to pull all the people who moved to PS4 from 360 back to Xbox just to play their old games.
BC will be too difficult with the cell and would cost more money that Microsoft will be paying.
Now is not a BC solution but it will be around far longer that the Xbox One.
One solution Sony can do is make a new hardware device with the PS1, PS2 and PS3 hardware in it and a disc drive and harddrive. They can plug it instead USB slot or HDMI slot.
I have 0 Xbox games so I won't see the benefit. But the aim is to pull all the people who moved to PS4 from 360 back to Xbox just to play their old games.
BC will be too difficult with the cell and would cost more money that Microsoft will be paying.
Now is not a BC solution but it will be around far longer that the Xbox One.
One solution Sony can do is make a new hardware device with the PS1, PS2 and PS3 hardware in it and a disc drive and harddrive. They can plug it instead USB slot or HDMI slot.
Stallion Dan
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The other thing I don't get about no PS1/PS2 BC is...easy money for Sony.
So many old games can just be chucked up on PSN and get more sales, especially from the people jumping over from Xbox. Plus PS2 wouldn't be as limited to the games PS3 could run.
If the games work, they can sell them digitally?
So many old games can just be chucked up on PSN and get more sales, especially from the people jumping over from Xbox. Plus PS2 wouldn't be as limited to the games PS3 could run.
If the games work, they can sell them digitally?
Hockeymac18
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Yeah, that reply really threw me for a loop...Nothing about the BC solution is messy from a technical perspective. The only issue really seems to be licensing issues (i.e. getting publishers to agree to let them put the games up there). There's no additional coding that needs to take place (like the OG Xbox to 360 solution last generation, which required huge amounts of work for each game to work).
The games I've tried so far work flawlessly. I wouldn't even really know I wasn't playing on a 360 if it wasn't for the XB1 controller I was holding.
This solution is pretty brilliant, if you ask me. I'm still amazing they managed to figure out a way to make this work at all.
The only real downside to all of this is not all games work right away, but I'm sure as they work through the licensing issues the list will grow very quickly (I hope).
Zeyphersan
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I would say that the ultimate case for backwards compatibility is Steam and the PC in general. When you have a storefront that consists of games that don't have to worry about hardware generations, you create an ecosystem that encourages people to buy old titles in addition to new ones. I mean hell, the entire point of a digital storefront is the long tails on sales: a game released in 2007 can still be bought and make money like nothing ever changed. I can buy Half-Life from 1998 right now. Does Valve care that I'm buying it instead of Half-Life 2 Episode 2, the most recent one? Of course not, money is money. It keeps me invested in their platform and ultimately benefits third parties as well, since the more I'm infested the more I buy.
When a new game in a series comes out, you have a sudden resurgence in the older titles. A digital ecosystem that supports games from every platform is ONLY beneficial to this. Final Fantasy XV coming out on PS4 might get people nostalgic for the ones they grew up with, actually having those old games on the store allows Squeenix to make money off of them, whereas right now they don't.
Backwards compatibility as a strategy for console I think is going to become a long-term necessity.
When a new game in a series comes out, you have a sudden resurgence in the older titles. A digital ecosystem that supports games from every platform is ONLY beneficial to this. Final Fantasy XV coming out on PS4 might get people nostalgic for the ones they grew up with, actually having those old games on the store allows Squeenix to make money off of them, whereas right now they don't.
Backwards compatibility as a strategy for console I think is going to become a long-term necessity.
RadarScope1
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I think we all understand that it would eat up a ton of software resources to try to shoehorn PS3 BC in the PS4. No one really expects that, and besides there's PS Now. But are you telling me they're not even thinking about getting the PS1/2 emulators running on the PS4? Come the fuck on. Really? That is idiotic.
Ninja Scooter
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Netflix releases their original content (House of Cards, for example) on physical media like DVD and purchasing those doesn't entitle you to stream them for free.
DarkJak101
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A PS2 won't be able to play my digital library
I have a PS3 as well, but the PS4 controller is just so much more comfortable... Busy replying R&C: ACiT and the DS3 is really annoying me after coming from DS4...Garrett 2U
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And yet my Xbone continues to receive more frequent, substantial updates than my PS4.
You can tell you have no idea what you're talking about.
Opus Angelorum
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Well when you can simply remaster a PS3 game and charge everyone $40+ again, why bother.
GameAddict411
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The CPU on the PS4 is slower than the CELL in many ways. It's technically impossible unless they start integrating the CELL processor on every PS4. Anyone who is making a comparison with PS Now doesn't know what it's for. Backward compatibility is a feature of PS Now but it's not their main goal or anywhere close to it. It was designed mainly to be a service where you can play your playstation games on other hardware. Smart TVs now can support it, so some tablets and phones. Sony wants to expand their target audience, and maybe get new customers that would not ever thought of buying a PS4.
When did I ever say it's stupid? You gotta calm down a bit.
Doug Heffernan
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You see... there's this thing called a "digital" marketplace. You may have heard of it... although maybe not? It's only been around on consoles since like 2005.
KillerSloth
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Like gears of war right?
Lockjaw333
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Jesus. This reply sounds like something you would have heard out of Xbox at the beginning of the gen. If the current situation was reversed and MS made this comment people would be slaughtering them.
If backwards compatability is under used why did they invest in gaikai and create ps now???
If backwards compatability is under used why did they invest in gaikai and create ps now???
erotic grandpa
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Pretty sure they've said they're using emulation to pull it off. They made it clear that it'd take no effort on part of the developers to whitelist their game, just their approval.
SocksAndShoes
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I already answered why I personally thought it was bizarre, but the unwarranted snarky reply was hilarious. Thank you.
Ninja Scooter
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I don't know, ask Microsoft. They are the ones that released MCC and Gears of War Remastered.
Opus Angelorum
Member
The point still stands.
FYI I have and never will buy a remastered game, on any platform.
Yup, and I hate it.
MaulerX
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Simple, sell you VHS copy. Maybe what YOU don't understand is that with a physical copy, you can at least resell it and recoup some of your money. You can't do that with digital copies and thus we live in a world now where protecting said investment is more important than ever. The BC for discs is nice but for digital titles it's a huge thing to have.
And on the XB1 you can play digital and physical titles. People are bringing up digital because they're tied to an account unable to be sold. Nobody is saying it's an easier, but if they're offering a service to play the games on a console with the same account info, it should be possible to play the games you already own. I can understand why they don't, but to pretend it's anything other than a money issue is ridiculous.
I'm not saying it's anti consumer, but it's funny to see so many people act like MS is for having the audacity to offer it.
Can someone throw down some reasons why BC is such a huge issue? There are so many games for current-gen consoles that I just don't feel this overwhelming urge to play something from last-gen that so many people seem to. I applaud MS for being able to work it into it's console, and following the announcement I was really excited for the possibilities, but after I thought about it I realized that honestly I don't care that much. For that rare occasion that I feel like spending some time with an old game I'll blow the dust off my old console and play, realistically speaking (at least on the Sony consoles not sure off the top of my head about MS) all the cables are the same and it's not that much hassle to just swap out the box. I also don't understand the mentality of stating that: "Because I can't play my old games I have no reason to buy the new console" In that case why is the new console even relevant? Wouldn't you just be dropping 350+ for no reason if the new hardware/software doesn't interest you enough to buy it on its own? After all if you're just playing PS3 games on a PS4 it makes way more sense to just keep the PS3
sidenote: I understand that it's possible that you may not have the funds to own both last-gen and current-gen consoles, but in that case you're not being entirely left out of the loop. There's plenty of current-gen games that have also been released on last-gen, and if it takes some time to save up for a next-gen console that you can't play old games on then that's just the way it is and you've gotta decide which you want more. Not really one company slighting you as a consumer by not supporting hardware that's quickly becoming outdated.
sidenote: I understand that it's possible that you may not have the funds to own both last-gen and current-gen consoles, but in that case you're not being entirely left out of the loop. There's plenty of current-gen games that have also been released on last-gen, and if it takes some time to save up for a next-gen console that you can't play old games on then that's just the way it is and you've gotta decide which you want more. Not really one company slighting you as a consumer by not supporting hardware that's quickly becoming outdated.
Sorry for the diatribe 
I'm bored while rendering at work
I'm bored while rendering at workKillerSloth
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Your point was what exactly? People could choose to play it on ps3, rent it for 4.99 for a week, or not spend it all all? MS does the same thing, your post was terrible. People are free to do with their money as they wish. Not everyone buying a remaster played it originally
Likely what they said they were doing, they've been 'lending' out teams to other studios a lot. Dimps for SFV, FromSoftware for BloodBourne, Atlus for persona 5 etc, Other Ocean and SF4 port.. they're spread thin internally to try and get 3rd parties on board faster. A Sony internal group has been a part of all those projects.