Bungie defends Destiny: The Taken King's £/$40 price tag (Eurogamer)

GhaleonEB said:
In fairness, they are also adding new spaces to the existing locations. They showed one strike set on Venus that started in existing territory, and then branched into new areas for the second half. We've also seen a few new spaces in the Cosmodrome from the vidoc. Not sure the extent to which the Taken King does this, but there will be more new spaces than just the Dreadnought. I think it's a different value prop if there's only one new destination, but existing ones also get built out.
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They also said they're revamping the old strikes in some way, too. Curious about that.


Cosmodrome location seems to be going underneath the Grottos in that vault looking area. As well as a fight up into one of the colony ships, that big sphere thing on the top of one anyway. Might be one of the strikes.
 
Xion_Stellar said:
Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.
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Even without montly sub, those expansions have new areas, several main chain quests (not that crap of 5 quests and call it a day), new enemies, cutscenes in some missions and raids, at least 5 dungeons, more than two level cap raised, normal gear, heroic gear, actual PVP gear differences.

And since you are talking about Cataclysm the expansion that actually changes all the vanilla game changing even vanilla quests chains.
 
MMaRsu said:
Im gonna stay out of this cause I dont want to get banned for hating on Destiny again, but Bungie seems to have gotten arrogant as fuck with this new game.

First they catered to the players and fanbase a lot.
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Well Activision happened. Wich explains alot.
 
pj said:
In fairness, new rooms attached to existing areas is not even remotely the same as new hub areas with their own new rooms. Especially when the new rooms are on planets you don't really want to go to because you've already seen them and killed the same exact groups of enemies for a hundred hours.

Even being generous they're adding maybe 30% square footage over the base game. Two new destinations would make $40 a much easier pill to swallow.
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I didn't say it was equivalent to a new space, but rather they should be part of the discussion about content vs. value. The strike they showed had some interesting mechanics that are different from any existing strike, and actually made it the aspect of the expansion I'm most interested in. I think people will very much be looking forward to new strikes, set in new locations and with new mechanics.

Your numbers are speculation, since we don't know how large the new space is or how much they are adding in other locations (Phobos, the four existing destinations). Which I think is a big part of the problem right now.
 
Orochinagis said:
Even without montly sub, those expansions have new areas, several main chain quests (not that crap of 5 quests and call it a day), new enemies, cutscenes in some missions and raids, at least 5 dungeons, more than two level cap raised, normal gear, heroic gear, actual PVP gear differences.

And since you are talking about Cataclysm the expansion that actually changes all the vanilla game changing even vanilla quests chains.
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It looks like they have bigger plans for "Quests" (not the same thing as missions in Destiny) with TTK. They have a whole new tab for it in the main menu screen:

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Value at $40 aside I cannot believe they have the cheek to charge £40. Exchange rates, how do they work? What the actual fuck, that is how much a full price game is supposed to cost.
 
He basically said "tough shit" to all fans of the game. I can't believe it's a real interview, even though it is.

And fuck paying £100 total for Destiny.
 
Its a shame. I bought the $40 DLC for Destiny, and I was fine with that. Though it made me very confused as to which SKU to buy if I wanted to get everything. It is bullshit that people who just jump in now get more than those who have been with it from Day 1.
 
I will try to summarize.

Eurogamer: So it may seem like a small thing but you're adding exclusive content to the game - three new dance emotes - that players can't get unless they rebuy the main game and the two existing DLCs. Is that right?

Luke Smith: "There is no way right now for you to get the new dance emotes without doing that. Those are Collector's Edition exclusive. We've set some stuff aside for that edition specifically to really make it appeal to fans who have engaged with the game already and also to people that will enter the game this autumn.

Translation: We hope that our most diehard fans will pay a premium for exclusive content so we're locking up that content in the collector's edition to maximize our profit.

Can you see that some fans are confused that you're asking them to buy stuff they already own?

Luke Smith: "Yeah, I can totally empathise with those people. But the Collector's Edition is a pretty cool package for people who want to pursue that stuff. Otherwise, surely what you're saying is that you would want to buy them separately, right?"

Translation: Of course we understand why our customers are angry. The most diehard fans who have been with the game since launch are getting screwed with no price break in exchange for their continued loyalty and support. So you would rather pay less instead of paying more for something you already own?

Well, yeah. I would rather do that - pay a few pounds or dollars or whatever - than spend money on things I already own.

Luke Smith: "Well, we have nothing more to talk about regarding your opportunity to spend extra money in Destiny, other than The Taken King and the three versions we've announced."

Translation: Wait till you see what we have in store for you in the next couple expansions! You'll buy all the content you already own again and again in order to get more exclusives that we'll lock behind new bundles! Have fun in the new expansion!
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GhaleonEB said:
The strike they showed had some interesting mechanics that are different from any existing strike, and actually made it the aspect of the expansion I'm most interested in. I think people will very much be looking forward to new strikes, set in new locations and with new mechanics.
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Would you know where I could watch this? I've only seen the expansion vidoc and interviews.

Or should I frame-by-frame the vidoc? ;p
 
Bungie would have had way better reception launching the game with a subscription than this ridiculous overpriced piecemeal DLC bullshit.
 
I already spent $100 on this game, I'm not giving them a penny more. I guess I got enough worth out of it getting all my chars to 34, but I'm just done with this shit. Gotta make that $500 million back.
 
Luke Smith: If I fired up a video right now and showed you the emotes you would throw money at the screen.
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lol... The article is a funny read but yeah, DeeJ could've handled the situation a bit better. Luke is satirical and doesn't care what people think about him. DeeJ would have told us how awesome we should all feel for being Guardians living during the time Crota was a massive force pushing towards earth and so on... (his standard - it's nothing - talk)
 
I get that it is big but it is also the same price as the base game. That had four areas rather than one and more missions than the Taken King. Why is it the same price?
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As a casual Destiny player, this is genuinely my biggest concern. I love exploration, and would love more locations for bounties and patrols. At £40 I was at least hoping for two new planets, maybe three. If not planets, then at least new areas on existing planets. Wasn't Chicago in the original concept art? Don't they have a bunch of assets and locations for PVP maps that could be used for new PVE locations? I mean...

No way I'm paying £40 for this. Imo, the previous expansions should have been £15, and this one could get away with £20. I probably wouldn't have bought the previous expansions if I hadn't been dumb enough to buy the Guardian Edition at launch...
 
I haven't read much yet.

If I'm playing the new stuff does it incorporate right into the new stuff or am I playing new stuff only on new disc?
 
tensuke said:
I already spent $100 on this game, I'm not giving them a penny more. I guess I got enough worth out of it getting all my chars to 34, but I'm just done with this shit. Gotta make that $500 million back.
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ya me too, lately 90 percent of my time has been in iron banner and trials, and aside from that the obvious grinding to maximize pvp weapons...... yet they have never even tried to address the horrendous lag in multiplayer....
any lag free FPS will completely replace destiny the second it is released, so COD or BF, both of which I am picking up used due to their horrendous previous launches.....

Is it just me or will there ever be a solid FPS released ever again??! Take me back 10 years and I'd complain every game is a FPS, never thought I'd see the day... .
 
Otherwise, surely what you're saying is that you would want to buy them separately, right?

Well, yeah. I would rather do that - pay a few pounds or dollars or whatever - than spend money on things I already own.

Well, we have nothing more to talk about regarding your opportunity to spend extra money in Destiny, other than The Taken King and the three versions we've announced.
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How can you even say this.

"Oh, but I get it, you want this reasonable thing?"

"Yep."

"I have nothing more to talk about."

Mind blowing. Absolutely mind blowing.
 
rav said:
Sub, Guildwars 1 & 2, lord of the rings has gone free to play, and a few others too.
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F2p means microtransactions in most cases. Destiny is a shooter though, there is nothing else on the market like it, and it's mechanics are outstanding., It has flaws but people don't give it credit enough to what it excels at.

I have not played another game that as as many good weapons, many of which feel unique. Having the right weapons/gear is key in many situations in the game, gear really matters. Most games simply do not do that well. Destiny is fairly unique and I think thats why it has such a dedicated fanbase.
 
GhaleonEB said:
No, actually, that's not what they said. They are defending the price on the basis of the amount of content they are putting in.

The big problem is, they announced the price and did not announce much detail on the scope of the content. We have a sense that it's big, much bigger than the two prior expansions, but beyond that, we just don't know how to stack it up against the scope of the expansion. I'd have either announced a general list to help provide some sense of the scope (X strikes, Y MP maps/modes, Z story missions, etc), or held off on announcing the price until they felt more comfortable doing so.

Right now we're in this odd place where we know the price, but not the package that price entails, and so they have to defend it without being specific, which is rather awkward.
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Given the shamefull amount of content they put into the season pass, I'm not optimistic.

And are they still refusing to add trophies to the DLC?
 
As someone who would casually be interested in Destiny, I'm really glad on my decision to just wait this one out.

I can't believe Bungie let this interview go out. That is one very special tier of "fuck our players."
 
You know. Batman Arkham Knight has a $40 season pass and they got shit for it. Rightfully so.

But you know what they did? They told us what was in it and then they shut the fuck up about it. If you wanna buy it cool. If not, that's cool too. They didn't go around doing insulting interviews.
 
Eh fuck it. As much of a love/hate relationship I have with destiny, no other game has pulled together all my friends in such a way and helped me make new friends. I have no problem throwing a whopping $40 at it to continue this.

Destiny is fun, and I put in lots of time with it. Not for the grind, but because the PvE experience and social setting is fantastic. For helping me with my own social anxiety, and branching out to find new people, I personally am dropping $80 on the collectors edition.

EDIT: now, I also think the collectors shouldn't come with Year One and instead TTK and DLC 3 and 4, or without DLC 3 and 4 for a reduced price. But I can't do anything about that other than not buy it. But I am going to anyway.
 
Glitchesarecool said:
As someone who would casually be interested in Destiny, I'm really glad on my decision to just wait this one out.

I can't believe Bungie let this interview go out.
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The Legendary Edition would be right up your alley then, but seriously this interview was bad. I wouldn't blame you if you skipped playing altogether after reading it.
 
MrDaravon said:
I like Luke, but this was one of the absolute worst interviews I've ever seen someone give. The best I can hope for here is that they're getting fucked by Activision and he is just throwing it all under the bus on purpose or something. This whole interview is actually pretty unbelievable, I had to read the damn thing twice because parts of it read like a parody.
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My thoughts and hopes as well.
 
darthbob said:
The Legendary Edition would be right up your alley then, but seriously this interview was bad. I wouldn't blame you if you skipped playing altogether after reading it.
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Seems like it, but I imagine there are going to be more editions coming down the line. I think there's more DLC planned? So making the assumption that this might happen again, I'm going to see what the future holds.
 
So if I'm reading this right some of you dislike the regional money conversion (When is the last time a AAA Publisher did regional pricing correctly?).

While others don't like the price because they don't perceive the value of this $40 because either:

A- Activision already fully disclosed everything that will be coming on this $40 package and players don't think it's worth the price

B- The players who are dissatisfied with the pricing have already played the content themselves and are here to warn others that it's not worth it.

Because surely nobody here is making the
assumptions that are based on their history with their previous DLC so there's no way they can pull this off correctly or price it correctly and instead decided to cry foul before it even releases right guys?





Seriously Destiny Players what pricing model do you want for the game?

When I read about their "10 year plan" for Destiny I imagine they would simply release Expansion packs that you would have to pay for every time they release one instead of paying a monthly fee but this model is either not working out or Bungie is not putting in the effort to make those expansion seem worth the price.

Maybe it's just me but it seems like every time Destiny pops up in the news is either because they announced new content or because the Playerbase of the game is being vocal about the pricing or changes they make in the game.

But everyone is allowed to have an opinion and they are vocal about it because they DO apparently care about the game. So maybe Bungie/Activision will get it's act together by the time Destiny 2 comes out.
 
Kind of a no-win scenario for Luke on this subject. There's really nothing he could say to make anybody feel any better, not within his control.

Definitely didn't choose his words well for this one though, that's gonna hurt em'.
 
I quit playing when the first expansion hit because it was clearly a rip off, but with the recent changes in HoW I jumped back in and bought both - mainly because I thought that the right changes had been made to progression and I love playing this game.

I think TTK looks great and wasn't at all bothered about the price or the exclusive stuff - I'd assume that was a publisher decision and even at £40 I'd get my moneys worth.

As such, Luke's comments are just insane. He actually makes a point of antagonising the interviewer so that it appears clear that the studio are happy with the pricing and arrangement. Why?! Why not just keep quiet and let Activision carry the can? He seems to go out of his way to say 'it's priced like this cos we know some fans will pay up and we're cool with that' - even if you think that, why would you say it?
 
MrGreencastle said:
It looks like they have bigger plans for "Quests" (not the same thing as missions in Destiny) with TTK. They have a whole new tab for it in the main menu screen:

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It says level 20 right under the light level? We seeing a raise in non light level?


JumPeRJumPzZ said:
Good thing that i stopped playing this turd after 3 weeks.
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This dude literally saved the thread right now. Got us all on his back right now
 
I'm done with Destiny now.. this interview was just the icing on the cake though.

The original game- 1/4 of content it should have had to make it what it wanted to be.
TDB- 1/4 the content it should have had to be to be worth $20.
House of Wolves- 1/2 the content it should have had to be worth $20.

now they're $40 expansion has 1/4 of that full game which already didn't have enough? Do they honestly not understand the problem with their game?

Isn't it supposed to be easier to make new content as you get more used to your game engine?
 
MrGreencastle said:
It looks like they have bigger plans for "Quests" (not the same thing as missions in Destiny) with TTK. They have a whole new tab for it in the main menu screen:

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32 slots for quests? God, if they are anything like the quests in TDB and HoW where you only get 1, maybe 2 at a time and need to keep going back to the quest giver (prolonging game time as its load screen, hub, load screen, mission, load screen, hub), I would rather them turn those 32 slots into vault space. There is already an area for what 12 missions that never gets used (aside from quest items to return or the one week we got Queens Wrath at launch before it was repurposed into an expansion). Also maybe some of the slots for ghost skins can be moved to vault space?
 
I had been toying with buying TTK and re-upping my PS+ sub, even though I had doubts about the size of the expansion content.

Now, after this interview? I've got a lot of other places that are more deserving of my money. Contrast this interview with the huge mea culpa Arena.Net put out today regarding their screw-ups with the GW2 expansion. Seems like I know which company actually gives a damn about their customer base, and which one just sees them as open wallets.
 
MrDaravon said:
I like Luke, but this was one of the absolute worst interviews I've ever seen someone give. The best I can hope for here is that they're getting fucked by Activision and he is just throwing it all under the bus on purpose or something. This whole interview is actually pretty unbelievable, I had to read the damn thing twice because parts of it read like a parody.
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Another +1 for this - I do wonder if it's a possible explanation. Like, Bungie got their PR briefing from Activision and Luke just decided to go nuts to prove a point.
 
Xion_Stellar said:
But everyone is allowed to have an opinion and they are vocal about it because they DO apparently care about the game. So maybe Bungie/Activision will get it's act together by the time Destiny 2 comes out.
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Bungie have a huge amount of work to do to drag some people into Destiny 2. Knowing how they have played the last year or so puts a bad taste in the mouth of potential buyers.
 
So the taken king is £40 to download

And the Legendary Edition is £55 to buy on disc

So are Bungie/Activision saying that the base game and 2 expansion packs are now worth the equivalent of £15?

This is all just downright insane :S
 
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