Bungie defends Destiny: The Taken King's £/$40 price tag (Eurogamer)
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If Destiny is an MMO, then the amount of content you are getting is very very very very very poor. You can't use the MMO excuse to justify the pricing without acknowledging the content for that price.
Would love to see how many people who buy this expansion where shitting over a game like Evolve for its pricing and DLC shenanigans.
It comes down to if you have interest in the game you are wiling to overlook just how much you are getting ripped off content to price wise. Bungie knows how many people put in hundreds and hundreds of hours into this game who will buy the expansions at any cost no matter the content.
I have never seen a game so clearly deprived of content so that they could sell these explains that they had planned from the get go. This game was created in mind to limit the base game and have miniscule DLC.
It comes down to if you have interest in the game you are wiling to overlook just how much you are getting ripped off content to price wise. Bungie knows how many people put in hundreds and hundreds of hours into this game who will buy the expansions at any cost no matter the content.
I have never seen a game so clearly deprived of content so that they could sell these explains that they had planned from the get go. This game was created in mind to limit the base game and have miniscule DLC.
This is so frustrating. They made a fundamentally sound game in terms of the mechanics and the look of the thing, and there was so much promise with the vague concept the game was sold as.... then the final thing amounts to a few different areas. Expansive as they were, were still highly linear and ultimately not "that" big, not when there were so few different places to go.
This is a game they want you to play almost endlessly but after you've played it a few hours you've seen a lot of it already, and you'll only see the same places over and over and over. The thing that annoyed me the most was the absolutely barebones "story". It's really a joke to even call it that. There's what a scene or two and that's your lot. They could have wrapped up an epic Halo-esque story with their goal of an online game... they fell well short. If the expansions were a few £, fair enough, but £40... that's a piss take for what they give you.
This is a game they want you to play almost endlessly but after you've played it a few hours you've seen a lot of it already, and you'll only see the same places over and over and over. The thing that annoyed me the most was the absolutely barebones "story". It's really a joke to even call it that. There's what a scene or two and that's your lot. They could have wrapped up an epic Halo-esque story with their goal of an online game... they fell well short. If the expansions were a few £, fair enough, but £40... that's a piss take for what they give you.
Would you? 19 pages of people just going all in to shit on him based on a text version of an interview where no tone can be conveyed. Yeah, I'd be just itching to come in here and appease everyone.
Shit on bungie, activision, the prices, lack of content (even though it still has yet to be outlined in full), etc all you want, but jesus christ at some of the comments here about another gaffer. 19 pages of it.
No one is arguing that it isn't/wasn't content dry. But the comparison is apt in many senses which is why it comes up a lot (and dissimilar enough to be argued otherwise). But the content pricing isn't something unseen or foreign and I have gotten my moneys worth from the base game and expansions. Clearly others feel similar to keep playing in such large numbers.
Crimson Kopite
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Don't...uh buy it. If you have a problem with the price point then maybe just let it go? I, for one, have a job and will pay dollars to play this expansion.
As far as the Luke hate I don't think he prices the stuff himself. You expect him to turn on Bungie and be a dick? LOL
As far as the Luke hate I don't think he prices the stuff himself. You expect him to turn on Bungie and be a dick? LOL
No one in here is blaming Luke Smith for the pricing. They're pointing out the irony between this and his previous attitude towards this sort of behavior.
firehawk12
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I will say, Luke Smith is amazing. lol
Crimson Kopite
Banned
I'm not sure what people are expecting? Would you rather him come out and blast the pricing and lose his job?
Maybe we can all pretend to be mature and realize that this was a PR piece and that's what he has to do.
OR, maybe he truly believes its worth the money and as we don't have the full information can maybe take him at his word...I dunno.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
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Absolutely disgusting.
Not only is their 'special exchange rate' a form of immoral thievery, but after the value proposition they gave us with their vile season pass cash grab I wouldn't trust these bandits as far as I could throw them.
Bungie and their pathetic season pass are the sole reason I've stopped buying dlc prior to getting a full list of content. No dlc item or season pass I have paid for previously from any other company has ever left quite as sour a taste.
It's also the reason I've just flogged Destiny to the first person who offered me pennies for it and deleted all traces of it off my HDD.
Not only is their 'special exchange rate' a form of immoral thievery, but after the value proposition they gave us with their vile season pass cash grab I wouldn't trust these bandits as far as I could throw them.
Bungie and their pathetic season pass are the sole reason I've stopped buying dlc prior to getting a full list of content. No dlc item or season pass I have paid for previously from any other company has ever left quite as sour a taste.
It's also the reason I've just flogged Destiny to the first person who offered me pennies for it and deleted all traces of it off my HDD.
Diablohead
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he could have given much better answers, instead he flat out put a brick wall up.
Crimson Kopite
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Is that an excuse to treat him like shit though?
Hilarious that people can whine about the game's value as a $40 release, and at the same time cry that they aren't being given the opportunity spend $10-20 more on some cosmetic items and emotes.....as if that crap represents any sort of "value".
Luke's style is generally pretty personable, but I think just transcribed on the page it can seem snooty and stand off-ish. At the same time you can tell he's frustrated at having to discuss this stuff in what is supposed to be a relatively friendly E3 interview. Eurogamer asked zero questions about the game or its features, and immediately started harping about the price and the emotes.....issues which are very much beyond Luke's control.
Seems like an utter waste of an interview, given that they are talking to the lead raid designer at a AAA developer. It's like ESPN getting an interview with Tom Brady, and then berating him over the price of tickets to Patriots games. A poor showing both by Smith and Eurogamer.
Luke's style is generally pretty personable, but I think just transcribed on the page it can seem snooty and stand off-ish. At the same time you can tell he's frustrated at having to discuss this stuff in what is supposed to be a relatively friendly E3 interview. Eurogamer asked zero questions about the game or its features, and immediately started harping about the price and the emotes.....issues which are very much beyond Luke's control.
Seems like an utter waste of an interview, given that they are talking to the lead raid designer at a AAA developer. It's like ESPN getting an interview with Tom Brady, and then berating him over the price of tickets to Patriots games. A poor showing both by Smith and Eurogamer.
Omotesando
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Bungie don't give a shit apparantly. Hmmm.... 20 million players. Can't blame them.
Maddocks
Member
how is there no way to add the new dance moves and shaders to the game? Why would I have to buy the game again just to get that. This really is a slap in the face for the people who own and owned the game from the beginning.
add the dances and shaders for 5 dollars for the year 1 players and call it a day. This type of behavior really sours me on wanting to put more time and effort into the game if all they can give me is."well, thanks for being loyal but we kinda like our new players better right now because they give us money now and not money then."
add the dances and shaders for 5 dollars for the year 1 players and call it a day. This type of behavior really sours me on wanting to put more time and effort into the game if all they can give me is."well, thanks for being loyal but we kinda like our new players better right now because they give us money now and not money then."
Deej responses:
Here
http://m.imgur.com/ThlWItx
And here
http://imgur.com/VjOIcEi
That damage control
Also hi guys, first post!
Here
http://m.imgur.com/ThlWItx
And here
http://imgur.com/VjOIcEi
That damage control
Also hi guys, first post!
DeepEnigma
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Just make more then, derp. Why lose out on those sales?
It's really not that bad compared to other MMOs launching, besides a pretty paltry main questline. A raid at launch, as most mmos have and 5 or 6 dungeons as most mmos have. The only bit that was really anaemic was the buildup to endgame in my view - before you argue that dungeons and raids are more complex in other MMO's, you're right, but the base gameplay is just flat out worse in the vast majority of them for me. They kind of need the complicated mechanics to bridge the fun gap for me, and I've been playing mmos since I was a kid.
SlipperyMoose
Member
Bungie has lost all my interest since they started Destiny. Hopefully we will see something else from them soon but no likely.
they still have 20 million uniques playing their game?
Well damn Bungie, you don't have to listen to a thing I have to say. With that many players, do you.
Maintenance
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Wait a second, I'm getting a little bit confused here. Why are people asking others to go "softer" on this guy, just because he is a gaffer? Why should people do that? If John Riccitiello and Bobby Kotick had GAF accounts would people say the same thing too?
oh, another one of those "I have a job, you lower class citizens should find a new hobby" people
Amazing how that's the only defense for AAA devs and publishers. There's never a discussion about how what they're doing is okay or right, it's always "get a fuckin job"
-duskdoll-
Member
This is so awkward lol
Most modern MMOs in their release year are very poor at the provided content. The same principle applies in Destiny and it is typical of any MMO even the legendary World of Warcraft was poor on content at its launch.
The players are consuming the available content in a matter of hours (30-100 hours depending on the game) and the development team does not have the needed time to develop more content as they need months to produce something. (Especially now that in Bungie they develop for four different platforms 360, One, PS3 and PS4 and have their development resources divided between the platforms)
This is the main reason why developers of MMOs use various mechanisms to artificially expand the amount of time a player spends on the available content. For example they make their players to do the same missions/quests again and again, they put limits on loot, they use raids etch
All of the complaints I read on this thread are coming from people that never played a real MMO game before because if they had experience with MMOs they would automatically identify the similar mechanics/designs/price model of the MMO genre - and Destiny was obviously their first entry on the genre.
I place the fault to Bungie for not communicating exactly what game Destiny was (I still remember their fake statements that it would have a - greater than Halo - single player campaign, the main reason that I did not buy Destiny in the end), what they wanted to achieve with the game, and for not explaining to the console users how the game would function going forward into the future (I mean the game as a service model).
This is why Bungies false strategy is backfiring at the moment and people get angry with Destiny.
Anyway I dont think that Destiny will lose lots of players with this move, it follows a standard MMO pricing model and experienced MMO players and players that play with their friends and enjoy the game will continue to support it.
CylonLogicBomb
Member
DeeJ is even worse at PR. He's a condescending twat at best...
There's a difference between complaining about what he said and using a thread to attack a member. I mean you can do whatever you want, but I thought it was against the rules.
Edit: see above
It looks like The Taken King will have a similar amount of content as did, and games are more expensive to make now than then. It's actually a good comparison, but I don't think it reflects a change of heart on Bungie's part.
I wonder if they really have something awesome in storage as they have already underlined few times how "Founders" will get emblem, shader, sparrow and nothing else, as their reward for being there since day 1.
VincentMatts
Member
I have a job, pays really really well. Wouldnt spend a dime on this trash.
SirRyanOfSmeg
Member
This is so shitty. I want those emotes, but I'm not paying an extra 40 fucking quid for them. Just add them to the DLC please! Fuck sake.
Lalalandia
Member
Dear Lord Bungie my isssue here isn't the damn emotes it's that you want 40 for this when it seems like the same or less content than you already hit me for. Worse I had to suffer through your growing pains at meta design with hours of fruitless grinding and bugs that wasted hours in the games best content the raid. Hell each DLC has had to gut the item crafting and buying systems, each damn one. If Deej's blog post isn't about a discount for folks who have the game right now they'll never see my money.
Because companies will keep litteraly shitting on us 'til peoples are buying those shits. Ofc they are intelligent so they'll try to be more and more selfish about the need of the buyers. Just rise the prices and down the content, nobody cares everybody pays.
Consummers are the essence of the economy, if there is no purchase the offers will disappear.
#StopPRShaming
I dont get that either, hes there to do a job, he might not like the questions asked (or not be the person who should answer them) or what he can divulge, but dont come over like he did when its Destinys customers/fanbase that will end up reading it.
You just dont go full 'Adam Orth' irrespective of being a member on GAF or not - its not a get out of jail free card.
ps3ud0 8)
TheOctodad
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Most all of them.
backflip10019
Member
So pretty much "don't be offended by something that's clearly anti-consumer now because of something I'm withholding until Thursday." That's not how PR works, Deej.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
lol i guess i'm kind of biased because luke is my boy but what do you expect him to say? the value of this expansion will be determined in due time. just because you may think it's a rip off doesn't mean it's a rip off. some people would call a game like madden garbage and overpriced at $60 but i get 100+ hours of playtime each year out of it. same with games like Destiny, witcher, etc. i know people who have literally put hundreds of hours into Destiny and enjoy it so i'm not sure where the issue is.
i guess if you think DLC shouldn't be $40 then that's your opinion and i'm sure the price will be cut if this expansion sells like shit. however, somehow i'm expecting it to sell pretty well given the popularity of Destiny
i guess if you think DLC shouldn't be $40 then that's your opinion and i'm sure the price will be cut if this expansion sells like shit. however, somehow i'm expecting it to sell pretty well given the popularity of Destiny
AgentOtaku
Member
This is where I stand with it.
Jumped in a month or so back and while I love the core gameplay loop (dat Bungie magic), I cant help but feel fucking gross at the same time.
Quite honestly, im ready to legit walk away from the game too after that VERY insightful interview...