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[stryke]

Shit, now Ys is going to be fucked up.

 

[LCGeek]

None for controller, only keyboard bindings are available.

Xbox 360 TOCA.. Never again deal with lazy devs just map the keyboard to the right buttons.

If you're not using this on some fashion you're 360 controller is just another controller. Seriously gaffers do not use ds4 or 360 without the proper tools just makes gaming better. With programs like that you can do so much including fix analog problems or enhance it's precision. Would never play certain pc games especially fps if I didn't have profile built around it.

See if it works for ten if it does then making a ds4 work with that is no problem.

 

[brickarts295]

Screw it, I'm cancelling my reservation and not just because of DS4 but I'm just getting a bad gut feeling about upgrading on Day 1, I'll probably wait a couple of weeks/months until the coast is clear.

 

[FamousLastX]

Screw it, I'm cancelling my reservation and not just because of DS4 but I'm just getting a bad gut feeling about upgrading on Day 1, I'll probably wait a couple of weeks/months until the coast is clear.

As far as I know (someone can correct me if wrong), but you don't need to cancel your reservation. It will download automatically, but you can install it at your leisure whenever you choose.

 

[Brad Grenz]

I really doubt MS give a shit, this is down to the developers of DS4.

Well, it worked on Windows 10 for a while and then MS removed the service in the OS that made it possible. Sounds like it's down to a choice MS made.

In DS4Windows you can set up profiles per game, I imagine setting up DirectInput only for the games that support it should work, correct? Basically, the opposite of hide the DS4 option, it's basically hide the XInput option.

The biggest problem is that usually Xinput is preferable so you don't get generic button prompts. Even if the prompts don't match a DS4 at least it's easy to remember where the RB or Y buttons are. Lots of games give you generic prompts when using Dinput and who the hell knows where their button 8 is?

 

[Kagami]

None for controller, only keyboard bindings are available.

Damn. So basically, Dark Souls supports DirectInput but does a terrible job of it and it can't be turned off, which could be dealt with with DS4Windows (or other such utilities) but in Win10 can't be.
Ironic that the game would actually be better if they hadn't tried to support Dinput at all.

 

[Danj]

Are there any benefits to using DS4 on PC over Xbox One Controller? Or is it just purely down to preference.

Well, if you own a DS4 and not an Xbone controller, this could be a problem.

 

[bomblord1]

Wouldn't the solution just be to plug in the controller and not use DS4 Windows?

 

[Venfayth]

Damn. So basically, Dark Souls supports DirectInput but does a terrible job of it and it can't be turned off, which could be dealt with with DS4Windows (or other such utilities) but in Win10 can't be.
Ironic that the game would actually be better if they hadn't tried to support Dinput at all.

Yup, exactly. It's not really Microsoft's fault, but they did inadvertently remove the means of fixing it.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Doesn't this fuck over tons of old peripherals that used dinput? Like some hori arcade sticks, older logitec gamepads, wheels and flight sticks?

 

[Harlock]

 

[impact]

Are there any benefits to using DS4 on PC over Xbox One Controller? Or is it just purely down to preference.

the benefit is I don't have to buy a pointless controller

anyway this sucks, but I guess I'll just make sure I beat Ori before the 29th

 

[Dr_Boris_Goltz]

Fuck it I'm just buying an Xbox One controller. I'll sell it after I get the Steam controller in October.

Wasting money!

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Doesn't this fuck over tons of old peripherals that used dinput? Like some hori arcade sticks, older logitec gamepads, wheels and flight sticks?

I use an old, old, old MS Sidewinder that has worked through Windows 10. I think it was one of the first USB-based sidewinders. I also have one of these (in black/gray) that I'm fairly sure I've used in MAME on W10

 

[Maintenance]

The news I got from the thread is the auto update thing, holy shit. I'll wait until people disable that for good before upgrading.

 

[Synth]

Doesn't this fuck over tons of old peripherals that used dinput? Like some hori arcade sticks, older logitec gamepads, wheels and flight sticks?

Not really... not unless you're trying to pretend it's an Xbox controller.

 

[Hero Prinny]

The news I got from the thread is the auto update thing, holy shit. I'll wait until people disable that for good before upgrading.

Yea me too. Not updating day 1. Dont know why theyd do something so dumb, people will find a way to block it 3 days tops

 

[Matrix XII]

Thanks for the heads up indeed.

This is a big deal because I have my gaming laptop hooked up to my TV with my DS4 used for Steam supported controller games.

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

For a pure gaming machine, what advantages are there to upgrading? Benchmarks seem all over the place, pCars being the only one I saw that actually improved. Doesn't seem worth it.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

For a pure gaming machine, what advantages are there to upgrading? Benchmarks seem all over the place, pCars being the only one I saw that actually improved. Doesn't seem worth it.

All future and currently supported PC games will continue to take up improvements made available from Win10/DX12. It seems all but guaranteed that the expected uptake through free upgrades to the new OS over the next year will ensure that most of the development community goes with them nearly as quickly rather than the slow dragging of feet we all saw from previous jumps. I don't see a downside outside of possibly having to buy a new controller or jump through a hoop or two to make it work with your existing one.

 

[Yudoken]

Does SCP DS3/DS4 work on Windows 10?
It's basically DS4 Windows (without a lot of customization and touchpad controls) but it allows DS3 too.
Also did MS fix Xinput so it allows more than 4 pads? (seriously, that's ridiculous)
They hopefully allow like Directinput unlimited gamepad support.
Just because an Xbone/360 can't handle more than 4 doesn't mean you have to cripple it on pc too.

 

[Gattsu25]

Oh that's a shame.

So when does Windows 10 come out? I never got the upgrade message (I do own a legit copy of Windows 7)

End of the month/start of next month.

Go to windows update and do every single update available.

 

[UnrealEck]

Fuck it I'm just buying an Xbox One controller. I'll sell it after I get the Steam controller in October.

Wasting money!

Get me one too please.
Thanks. PM me for my address.

 

[erale]

Does SCP DS3/DS4 work on Windows 10?
It's basically DS4 Windows (without a lot of customization and touchpad controls) but it allows DS3 too.
Also did MS fix Xinput so it allows more than 4 pads? (seriously, that's ridiculous)
They hopefully allow like Directinput unlimited gamepad support.
Just because an Xbone/360 can't handle more than 4 doesn't mean you have to cripple it on pc too.

The Xbox One supports up to 8 controllers. So maybe there's a newer XInput Version with support for more controllers that's not yet available on the PC?

 

[Yudoken]

The Xbox One supports up to 8 controllers. So maybe there's a newer XInput Version with support for more controllers that's not yet available on the PC?

At least 8 would be a good starting point.

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

All future and currently supported PC games will continue to take up improvements made available from Win10/DX12. It seems all but guaranteed that the expected uptake through free upgrades to the new OS over the next year will ensure that most of the development community goes with them nearly as quickly rather than the slow dragging of feet we all saw from previous jumps. I don't see a downside outside of possibly having to buy a new controller or jump through a hoop or two to make it work with your existing one.

I probably should've specified, in the short term. Say, upgrading in the next couple of months. I'm going to have to buy an Xbone controller and more than likely go through some troubleshooting with some of my games.

 

[twozerotwo]

You can plug and play the Xbone controller via the micro usb cable that comes with your DS4. I recommend trying out the Xbone controller, I prefer it over the DS4.

Windows 10 has worked great for me so far.

I was so tempted to pick up a Xbone controller yesterday but I saw a wired rock candy 360 pad on sale for $15 so I picked that up.

The Xbone has the best pad but I couldn't pass up a deal like that. When I eventually break it I'll probably get a Xbone pad.

 

[JeanPi]

Considering the X1 controller is times better than the DS4, it's ok for me.

 

[jediyoshi]

Wouldn't the solution just be to plug in the controller and not use DS4 Windows?

Doesn't have to do with whether the controller is wireless or not, but the other issue is that you wouldn't be able to use DS4Window's other features.

Screw it, I'm cancelling my reservation and not just because of DS4 but I'm just getting a bad gut feeling about upgrading on Day 1, I'll probably wait a couple of weeks/months until the coast is clear.

It's not a secret what the OS will resemble, there's been a constantly updated preview version that'll eventually just resemble the RTM out for months.

Doesn't this fuck over tons of old peripherals that used dinput? Like some hori arcade sticks, older logitec gamepads, wheels and flight sticks?

Not unless the game you're trying to run accepts both dinput/xinput and you specifically need DS4Window's 360 wrapper functionality. DS4Windows will run normally otherwise. It's more an issue with DS4 controllers because the affected games specifically try to implement those which is what causes the issues.

Considering the X1 controller is times better than the DS4, it's ok for me.

Except the part where it offers less functionality than what you'd want when you're using it on a PC.

 

[impact]

Considering the X1 controller is times better than the DS4, it's ok for me.

And also Halo takes the most skill in any game ever too, right?

 

[Maximo]

Are there any benefits to using DS4 on PC over Xbox One Controller? Or is it just purely down to preference.

I like a Controller that doesn't have a garbage Dpad as most games I play with a controller on PC require one.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I'll buy a fucking xbone controller, just release the wireless dongle already. It's been over a year since alber penello posted on this very website that it was being worked on.

 

[TheYanger]

I like a Controller that doesn't have a garbage Dpad as most games I play with a controller on PC require one.

So, you're saying you like the xbone controller?

 

[Nabs]

So, you're saying you like the xbone controller?

The X1 dpad is kind of bad for platformers, at least when compared to the ds4.

 

[YoodlePro]

So much hate man. What's up with people who own Xbox controllers?

For most people that controller is not the best in the world. Frigging deal with it.

I for one find any Xbox controller to be a large hideous lumbering beast, a controller i would use if I had no other possible option.

 

[Smelly Tramp]

well that's a dealbreaker for me then, no ds4 no windows 10 for me.

i wonder if emulators are screwed up as well, i remember after getting windows 8.1 i had to download some direct draw dll files to get emulated games running properly, i bet windows 10 is the same or worse.

i think i'll wait atleast a year till this kind of shit is ironed out.

 

[jaina]

I've thought a bit about the issue and will still upgrade to Windows 10 within the next months.

• Game only supports Xinput: DS4Windows
• Game only supports DirectInput: DS4Windows, configure DS4 buttons in game
• Game supports Xinput and DirectInput and can differentiate between the controllers: DS4Windows
• Game supports Xinput and DirectInput and can not differentiate between the controllers: no DS4Windows, configure DS4 buttons in game

it's a bit more hassle than on Win8.1, but fine with me.

 

[jediyoshi]

well that's a dealbreaker for me then, no ds4 no windows 10 for me.

DS4Windows will still work.

 

[DarkFlow]

So much hate man. What's up with people who own Xbox controllers?

For most people that controller is not the best in the world. Frigging deal with it.

I for one find any Xbox controller to be a large hideous lumbering beast, a controller i would use if I had no other possible option.

Are you trying to be ironic?

 

[23qwerty]

So, you're saying you like the xbone controller?

u wot mate

 

[RichiRamjag]

Except the part where it offers less functionality than what you'd want when you're using it on a PC.

Not really true. I use my 360 controller on PC for navigation with a small app similar to DS4. RB+LB+B and it puts me into navigation mode and I can use the analog stick as a mouse. Very handy and honestly I prefer it to my DS4 touchpad. That is my opinion though, but factually, it offers just as much functionality as a DS4 controller. Can even set volume and scroll with it.

 

[Melchiah]

It's possible that MS really wants you to use XBone controller instead of Sony's offering.

Wouldn't that be a case of taking unfair advantage of their monopoly in the market? Just like it was with IE and the competing browsers.

 

[jediyoshi]

Not really true. I use my 360 controller on PC for navigation with a small app similar to DS4. RB+LB+B and it puts me into navigation mode and I can use the analog stick as a mouse. Very handy and honestly I prefer it to my DS4 touchpad. That is my opinion though, but factually, it offers just as much functionality as a DS4 controller. Can even set volume and scroll with it.

It's not functionally the same at all if it requires an intermediary process to get there. That's like saying a mouse is just as functional as a keyboard because you can pull up a program where you click at letters you want to input. The touchpad is actively two more unique buttons and pointer control. That doesn't even include single/multi finger gestures to bind more commands onto.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Wouldn't that be a case of taking unfair advantage of their monopoly in the market? Just like it was with IE and the competing browsers.

That's not the reason behind this. MS didn't make changes to their OS to break a very specific feature in a open source, enthusiast application to use a PS4 controller as an Xinput controller. It's just an issue that hasn't been sorted out yet.

 

[Alo0oy]

I wasn't talking about preferences though, 8.1 is factually better than 7. There are people who think it isn't because they only look at metro and have no clue about the OS at all and spread misinformation.

Which is similar to the post I quoted.

It's not factually better, my PC is running on 8.1, and in my opinion the OS is trash, mainly the lack of proper start button (not the current useless pseudo-start button).

Not everyone that disagrees with you is a liar spreading misinformation.

 

[Kajlaurent]

i played mk x on windows 10 with a ps4 controller so..... it does work?

 

[AmethystEnd]

i played mk x on windows 10 with a ps4 controller so..... it does work?

Maybe actually read the thread to understand what the issue is. No one is saying DS4 flat out doesn't work on Windows 10.

 

[ShapeGSX]

Does SCP DS3/DS4 work on Windows 10?
It's basically DS4 Windows (without a lot of customization and touchpad controls) but it allows DS3 too.
Also did MS fix Xinput so it allows more than 4 pads? (seriously, that's ridiculous)
They hopefully allow like Directinput unlimited gamepad support.
Just because an Xbone/360 can't handle more than 4 doesn't mean you have to cripple it on pc too.

The Xbox One can handle 8 controllers.

Edit: beaten by a mile...I'll read further next time.

 

[Kajlaurent]

Maybe actually read the thread to understand what the issue is. No one is saying DS4 flat out doesn't work on Windows 10.

Im sorry, but the thread title says to me that i should not use windows 10 with a DS4, so i kinda figured it meant it shouldn't work. No need to get offensive.

 

[stryke]

Im sorry, but the thread title says to me that i should not use windows 10 with a DS4, so i kinda figured it meant it shouldn't work. No need to get offensive.

What he said wasn't offensive. It was common sense.