She published her story before the transcripts were released. Still, she should know better than to trust the NFL.
Tom Brady's Suspension Appeal News
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She published her story before the transcripts were released. Still, she should know better than to trust the NFL.
natjjohn
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Brady's camp could've told her that knowing they would release later.
Doesn't matter really, 4 games.
You mean 4 Super Bowls?
This is what denial looks like. Those 4 games are looking more and more like 0, and I hope you're preparing yourself for that eventuality.
natjjohn
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No. He's suspended 4 games. It is in the thread title. First post can be seen here which details the suspension.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1085961
natjjohn
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We will see.
Seems like a lot of denial before each step, but each time there's been discipline and negative rulings for the Pats despite repeated proclamations discipline wouldn't happen. Just going with the trend.
Have you bothered to actually read any of what's being said? How the wells report is complete nonsense, how NFL personnel are likely responsible for early false reports and the league made no attempt to correct them, how rules being used to punish players were never given to players because they aren't supposed to apply to them, etc, etc? Any of that? I know it gets in the way of your presuppositions but there comes a time when maybe you need to take a step back and reconsider your position.
DrForester
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It's pretty clear at this point that the Patriots didn't do anything wrong. PSI shows it's very likely that the ball pressure was affected by weather (more probable than not, you could say). There's nothing indicating Brady did anything wrong.
That all being said, Goodell has some bizarre agenda with all this, and I think the suspension will stand. I don't know what his end game is, and no matter how much the other owners might hate the Patriots, I can't fathom why the rest of the owners would be all for giving the Commissioner the right to conduct witch hunts and hand down fines and suspensions for no reason. This sets a horrible precedent that will affect their teams as well.
That all being said, Goodell has some bizarre agenda with all this, and I think the suspension will stand. I don't know what his end game is, and no matter how much the other owners might hate the Patriots, I can't fathom why the rest of the owners would be all for giving the Commissioner the right to conduct witch hunts and hand down fines and suspensions for no reason. This sets a horrible precedent that will affect their teams as well.
No I dont go get that post I'll wait. Might've said tom looks shady and it'll be conflicting for me to root for him out there. I stand by what I said. Tom Brady was veeeerrry shady in this whole thing. I think the crime is trivial and ticky tack stuff like this happens, unfortunately the pats were caught. Either way pretty clear from the emails toms comment on "study the rule book" is what started all of this. I imagine a lot of players are mad about this, kind of like how Bart Scott somewhat outted one particular team for stealing signals without saying names. I'm still pissed at Tom for handling it the way he did, its incredibly shady, and it'd a detriment to his character. That bring said it never affected my thoughts on his drive.
Roberto Duran
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I'm not suggesting Cam Newton did anything wrong, but he had to have been "generally aware" that his team was tampering with footballs against the Vikings. So why didn't he get suspended also?
Frank Serpico
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Just watched the video of the ESPN analyst literally crying over this, unbelievable
Roberto Duran
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The Mark Brunell video?
natjjohn
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Not a legal expert on arbitration and court involvement in such matters, but from brief reading decisions are rarely changed even if the decisions were objectively poor. Didn't fact check what I read so maybe wrong and arbitrated decisions are changed all the time. Will know soon enough with this one what will happen.
Don't care what happens. Just think it'll stand as forester above stated.
People are arguing the wrong thing in here. It's not about Brady or the Pats innocence at this point. It's about if Godel followed the correct procedures under the CBA. The judge could believe Brady is 100% innocent in this and it wouldn't matter. Brady is going to have to take at least a one game suspension is my guess. That's what I think they are going to settle at.
The players association's strongest claims are regarding how he didn't follow the CBA. It's even in the transcript how a particular rule wasn't intended for players and no players were ever shown the rule. There is past precedent showing what the league normally does in cases like this, so even if you grant the NFL the balls were tampered with (and the NFLPA won't, just to be clear) it's still an invalid ruling.
I agree with the first part. People who are still arguing about the Wells report and the ideal gas law are spitting into the wind when it comes to how a court will view all this. The relevant issue is whether Goodell and the league acted appropriately.
The place where I disagree is that it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the court ruled that the NFL completely botched the process part and vacated the entire penalty on Brady. It's kind of amazing to say this, but the NFL clearly doesn't have a clear procedure in place for dealing with player conduct issues.
None of this is to defend the Patriots or Tom Brady -- they cheated. But the league needs to do a more mindful job of dealing with this sort of stuff.
Frank Serpico
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He was crying because he lost $50 million in bad investments and now lives under a bridge.
Have you read the Wells report?
Flakster99
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49ers fan here. It's clear at this point the Patriots did nothing wrong and are being fucked over. What a pointless mess.
How did the Patriots and Tom Brady cheat again? Explain your reasoning because I don't follow, especially with the knowledge we've gained in the past few days.
How did the Patriots and Tom Brady cheat again? Explain your reasoning because I don't follow, especially with the knowledge we've gained in the past few days.
DrForester
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It's bad enough that Kraft chose not to fight this, and has basically given Goodell precedent to go after any team for no reason in the future.
If the NFL comes out on top in the Brady thing, precedent will have been set for Goodell to basically punish any player he wants for no reason. Even if you hate Brady and the Patriots, that should scare fans of any team.
Flakster99
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True enough. And having Kraft come out like he did and be the bigger man, doing what he thought was best for his players, his team, and the league, giving Goodell an out, to lay this shit fest to rest, like I said, what a pointless endeavor this has turned out to be.
And being a 49ers fan, we live in a glass house, we're not innocent by any stretch of the imagination. Not with Jerry Rice not giving a single fuck and admitting that he used stickem for god only knows how long during his career.
Latest from stradleylaw is a twitter storify of her live reactions to reading the transcript. Good insight.
http://www.stradleylaw.com/nfl-brady-deflategate-transcript/
http://www.stradleylaw.com/nfl-brady-deflategate-transcript/
Given that this court case is concerned with whether or not the CBA was followed, doesn't that mean the punishment will either be enforced or rescinded? The judge wouldn't halve the suspension, for instance, because he's not ruling on that aspect.
Or do I have that mistaken?
Or do I have that mistaken?
Correct. The only way it would be halved is if Brady and the NFL agreed to a compromise. After reading the report. Brady better get it all rescinded and Goodells first born.
Probably won't the NFLPA's only case is on the discipline outside CBA part, everything else is chaff in the legal sense and even then it's pretty unlikely a Federal judge is going to overturn an agreed arbitration process. It just rarely happens, although I suppose they rarely even look at the cases in the first place normally.
Actually, that is incorrect. More than likely it will be vacated if the process was deemed unfair, which most lawyers are smashing the process that was followed to bits. This is also why the NFL did not want the documents unsealed.
As for rarely happening? We just had about 5 in a row of the courts overturning the arbitration.
Hell, what about this?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...court-invalidates-commissioner-as-arbitrator/
More and more it looks like, if there is no settlement, it will be vacated.
The previous interventions were from Judge Doty, who's made the NFL a bit of a personal hobby horse. In general the Federal court system is unwilling to override arbitration as defined by collective bargaining on the principle that both sides agreed to the process and therefore it's limitations. For example the Supreme Court ruled in 2009 that if a CBA has a clause which says that discrimination cases must be arbitrated then even when Federal law covers the discrimination the case must be arbitrated . In essence the employees give away their rights to seek redress in the Federal court system for the discrimination.
I agree. I think all the judge can get/see is everything from the appeal. Nothing new. He already did the NFLPA a huge service by making everything open.
The NFLPA is arguing that the NFL violated the CBA on multiple occasions.
Well, if the judge did demand that the league had to turn over those emails, either the NFL would comply (and incriminate themselves) or admit that Wells wasn't independent. Either way, that's a massive blow against their case.
Rabbi_Vole
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So what's the consensus? Brady, the ball boys did nothing wrong and it was all just an unfortunate series of coincidences?
Not coincidences. It appears to be directed incompetence. The whole thing is falling apart and it's making the NFL look like complete idiots.
DrForester
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Seems like it. PSI numbers were well within range where weather would cause the slight drop. There is nothing suggesting they were pumping the balls below regulation pressure.
The only real "coincidence" is that someone used the word "Deflator" months before the AFC title game started.
There were no instances of or references to anyone talking about PSI levels or taking air out of the ball by anyone on the Patriots staff or in the locker room. All of the equipments guys phones were examined.
The PSI level will natural change in both the locker room and in outside conditions and numerous scientific studies have said the PSI change could be explained through natural means.
This whole issue was based on the premise that the Patriots intentionally did something wrong and the NFL started with that assumption and worked backwards to prove it.
There's a good article on Yahoo about how fucking slimey Goodell and company have been over this.
DrForester
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Months before the season started. Wasn't the "Deflator" text from back in May?
Yeah. I didn't recall when it was, but I just checked and it was 8 months before the game. That's even worse. Their entire decision was probably made based on that despite have absolutely nothing else to corroborate it (testimony, science, texts, etc.).
Lol everything that was reported made it seem like this stuff was right before the game. When I found out it was from May, that just made no sense, why were they checking people's text from back in May?
Even the Tom Brady "destroyed his phone" stuff, when all he really did was expose of it since he got a new phone.
Right. It wasn't even football season.
The fact that the NFL used Stephen A Smith as its stooge to disseminate that info tells you all you really need to know about their case against Brady.
Roberto Duran
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Man, even Stephen A Smith thinks Brady has been wronged:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgD4MXM_D_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgD4MXM_D_I
Why would they especially now that he's not with ESPN? I haven't watched the clip in case there is context there.
To be honest, I'm not sure Simmons is well thought of (or really that thought of at all) by their regular TV personalities, with a few exceptions. Obvious exception being NBA coverage, but even there Steele and Magic didn't like him (reportedly).
Well, Brady was referencing his column. It's just weird to watch them tiptoeing around his name, only to happily cite some other random reporter less than 30 seconds later.
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