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[Neuromancer]

Are people defending anime child porn in here?

I'm not surprised. In the past I've seen some posters here defending actual child porn.

 

[MIMIC]

Does Reddit not have enough mods or something? How the fuck can those communities even exist?

 

[partyphone]

Does Reddit not have enough mods or something? How the fuck can those communities even exist?

they like to pretend they're about free speech.

the issue now is they're owned by conde nast and they need to monetize and racism and kiddie fucking isn't a good look.

 

[JDSN]

Got it from a hearing in the German parliament, I think it was around a year ago. There was a proposal to ban drawings of child porn, so a couple of experts were invited to give their opinion.


@JDSN:

"Recidivism" implies that the persons in question already abused kids - I wouldn't actually expect drawings to be enough for that group. But I'm also pretty sure that only a small percentage of those with such tendencies ever actually act on their urges in the first place, and the idea is that fiction potentially helps keeping that fraction so small.

Recidivism is a very effective way to test if a risk factor works or not in a known population, the general consensus is that any kind of CP consumption (this includes drawn erotica) is a risk factor that is best avoided, like I said pedophile population is very different (and the online consumer is less likely to harm others) but I have yet to see the first psychiatrist or psychologist prescribing 5mg of Etrian Odyssey, or a proper study suggesting that this premise can lead to a decrease in escalation.

 

[marrec]

Recidivism is a very effective way to test if a risk factor works or not in a known population, the general consensus is that any kind of CP consumption (this includes drawn erotica) is a risk factor that is best avoided, like I said pedophile population is very different (and the online consumer is less likely to harm others) but I have yet to see the first psychiatrist or psychologist prescribing 5mg of Etrian Odyssey, or a proper study that suggest that this premise can lead to a decrease in escalation.

Etrian Odyssey is a boner killer for real tho

 

[KingKong]

Also reading through the thread some more, how did Coontown not conflict with the anti-harassment rules in the first place if the front page flat out has a call to purge out blacks?

I assume because they weren't actually harassing people. Then again if they tried to go after anyone on twitter like gamergaters they'd just get destroyed by some very dank black memes

 

[Air]

I think, horrifically, the argument is that it's "harmless" or even "helpful".

I need to lie down.

people have defended much worse

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

Good lord.

Yeah, pretty fucking disgusting.

And you shall know them by their anime avatars.

Are you surprised? Have you not read GAF threads about this stuff before?

I'm not surprised. In the past I've seen some posters here defending actual child porn.

I'm not surprised either (I've been here for a long time), but this is one of those things that always gets to me.

 

[wsippel]

Recidivism is a very effective way to test if a risk factor works or not in a known population, the general consensus is that any kind of CP consumption (this includes drawn erotica) is a risk factor that is best avoided, like I said pedophile population is very different (and the online consumer is less likely to harm others) but I have yet to see the first psychiatrist or psychologist prescribing 5mg of Etrian Odyssey, or a proper study that suggest that this premise can lead to a decrease in escalation.

You're talking about people with pedophilic disorder (criteria A and B). And people with an actual disorder require treatment - drawings or literature are almost certainly not going to help them. But the vast majority of pedophiles probably only fall under criterion A, or they do fall under both criteria but still never acted, and fiction might keep them from going further. Maybe. We don't know for sure. There are only theories as it's pretty much impossible to do a proper study, because the "known population" you speak of is only part of a larger group of unknown size and composition.

 

[andymcc]

damn this thread is getting dark.

 

[King Gilga]

people have defended much worse

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

I want to die.

Spoiler

At least he doesn't have an anime avatar.

 

[Ivan 3414]

And you shall know them by their anime avatars.

So every user with an anime avatar likes anime kiddie porn?

 

[EGM1966]

About time. Freedom of speech is fine but complete freedom of speech is impractical (for now at least for us as a society) when that freedom is used for certain topics (such as these).

Curious how much this is find a line between supporting freedom of speech and recognizing when the relevant speech is unsupportable and simply watching out for the health of the site commercially.

 

[Robofish]

people have defended much worse

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

I don't know what to say..

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

different experts


people have defended much worse

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

What the fuck?

 

[Lashley]

people have defended much worse

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

There are no words...

WTF

 

[esms]

people have defended much worse

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

What in the actual hell.

 

[Frog-fu]

Can we stop throwing animeGAF under the bus and lowkey calling them paedophiles in these discussions? I get that the things they are into are weird, but its definitely not lolicon or animated CP that they're into.

Bruh, too many users got "cute" little anime girls as their avatars, including lolicon. It's only to be expected some of them are considered suspect.

people have defended much worse

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

I wish I could say I'm shocked.

 

[marrec]

What the fuck?

There are no words...

WTF

What in the actual hell.

Y'all have to remember that NeoGAF's only registration requirement is a non-free e-mail and we're a very popular forum. Given that, it's extremely likely that there are disturbing and, frankly, dangerous opinions being held by an infinitesimally small section of the people who post here.

 

[Beefy]

This thread has become fucked up.

 

[God Dayumm]

So every user with an anime avatar likes anime kiddie porn?

Anime and gaming, i see you


Oh, and I'm a furry myself

 

[marrec]

Anime and gaming, i see you


Oh, and I'm a furry myself

This makes sense as I'm an avid practitioner of self love.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

This thread has become fucked up.

Its a race to the bottom.

 

[Snkfanatic]

And you shall know them by their anime avatars.

Go on....

 

[esms]

Y'all have to remember that NeoGAF's only registration requirement is a non-free e-mail and we're a very popular forum. Given that, it's extremely likely that there are disturbing and, frankly, dangerous opinions being held by an infinitesimally small section of the people who post here.

My reaction was to the defense of acting on pedophilia, not the existence of pedophiles.

 

[Jazz573]

And you shall know them by their anime avatars.

This really isn't necessary. Stuff like this is what ends up in threads being locked.

 

[dave is ok]

I'm glad they banned the hate speech subs. But banning the Loli/Shota subs was absolutely stupid and unnecessary. It's not even illegal in the US, where their servers are hosted.

You do realize that racism and hating fat people are also not illegal in the U.S.?

They banned those subs because they don't want to attract that crowd.

 

[Order]

different experts


people have defended much worse

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

Calling a pedophile brave. Fuck.

 

[Jazz573]

You do realize that racism and hating fat people are also not illegal in the U.S.?

They banned those subs because they don't want to attract that crowd.

The difference is racism is morally reprehensible. There's nothing morally reprehensible about drawings. They weren't harming anyone. Racism certainly does it's fair share of harm.

 

[Loomer]

for example

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372

keeping in mind the quoted user is an actual pedophile.

I've always wondered why he got banned, well, that answers that...

 

[NoblesseOblige]

The difference is racism is morally reprehensible. There's nothing morally reprehensible about drawings. They weren't harming anyone. Racism certainly does it's fair share of harm.

What about drawings of racism?

 

[Jazz573]

What about drawings of racism?

Racism is racism no matter what. These images are not even real people, they are simply that, drawings.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Racism is racism no matter what. These images are not even real people, they are simply that, drawings.

Of children being fucked.

Jesus christ

 

[Primus]

Racism is racism no matter what. These images are not even real people, they are simply that, drawings.

So only racist drawings are morally reprehensible, no other drawings can be.

You should probably pick a different hill.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Racism is racism no matter what. These images are not even real people, they are simply that, drawings.

And to most people, child porn is child porn no matter what. Whether it be based on real life children or big eyed animuguus~

 

[Jazz573]

Of children being fucked.

Jesus christ

No not children. They are not actual real life children. They are not even real, so they aren't even people. Drawings do not need protection. Real children do, but these are drawings not actual people.

And to most people, child porn is child porn no matter what. Whether it be based on real life children or big eyed animuguus~

They'd be wrong then. It CAN'T be CP because they are not even children, since they are only drawings.

 

[KazenY2J]

Seems everytime a lolicon/anime topic in the OT comes up all hell breaks.

 

[DrBo42]

We're going in circles.

 

[Champagne]

No not children. They are not actual real life children. They are not even real, so they aren't even people. Drawings do not need protection. Real children do, but these are drawings not actual people.



They'd be wrong then. It CAN'T be CP because they are not even children, since they are only drawings.

So racist drawings involving fake people are racist but pedophilic drawings involving fake children are....not pedophilic?

Are you even trying to be consistent?

 

[Jazz573]

So racist drawings involving fake people are racist but pedophilic drawings involving fake children are....not pedophilic?

Are you even trying to be consistent?

It is consistent. Racism is harmful in all cases. Lolicon harms no one. It is a victimless crime.

 

[FoxSpirit]

It's not fucked, because they're just drawings. Real children, of course, that's totally wrong, and most certainly should not be allowed. No one is actually being harmed by these drawings. It's completely a different case with racist subreddits, where the content is actually hurtful, and does more than a fair share of harm.

Are you sure you are not mixing up drawn CP with loli style?
Because one is a cute styling while the other deals with old, sweaty, disgusting men (the chosen self image in those) blackmailing, coercing and raping very young girls.
I like my loli moe style but even "Niisan, what are you doing? This feels weird :-(" has me on instant bailout. And this is nothing next to drawn CP.

I will defend the freedom of art but I will also call it disgusting.

Though I fear a lot of GAF will call any loli stuff drawn CP. But that's another thing.

 

[Jazz573]

Are you sure you are not mixing up drawn CP with loli style?
Because one is a cute styling while the other deals with old, sweaty, disgusting men (the chosen self image in those) blackmailing, coercing and raping very young girls.
I like my loli moe style but even "Niisan, what are you doing? This feels weird :-(" has me on instant bailout. And this is nothing next to drawn CP.

I will defend the freedom of art but I will also call it disgusting.

Though I fear a lot of GAF will call any loli stuff drawn CP. But that's another thing.

I'm not into the stuff myself, however like you I will defend the freedom for to exist. I wouldn't say it's disgusting to me, more that it doesn't really do anything for me or bother me.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I'm not into the stuff myself, however like you I will defend the freedom for to exist. I wouldn't say it's disgusting to me, more that it doesn't really do anything for me or bother me.

It can still exist (except in the handful of countries it's actually illegal). Reddit just doesn't want it. And I don't blame them.

 

[Primus]

It is consistent. Racism is harmful in all cases. Lolicon harms no one. It is a victimless crime.

Wow.

Wow.

I'm out, someone make sure to lock the door.

 

[The Technomancer]

It is consistent. Racism is harmful in all cases. Lolicon harms no one. It is a victimless crime.

Racist art is harmful because it reinforces racist attitudes.

Lolicon is...not harmful because it does...not reinforce sexual attitudes towards children?

 

[AppleMIX]

This of it this way.

Do you want someone to press criminal charges for someone owning a drawing?

Obviously reddit is a private site and they can moderate as they see fit.

 

[partyphone]

I'm not into the stuff myself, however like you I will defend the freedom for to exist. I wouldn't say it's disgusting to me, more that it doesn't really do anything for me or bother me.

I don't necessarily think it should be illegal although I'm open to arguments contradicting that.

but reddit can ban what reddit wants to ban. it's awful content and should be banned. in fact the problem with reddit is that they haven't gone far enough. there are still a lot of shitty subreddits. they should also be banning the accounts of anyone who has a lot of positive karma on those subreddits.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Do you want someone to press criminal charges for someone owning a drawing?

Not really. But I don't see how that's relevant to the topic of Reddit removing it. Them deciding to not aggregate the stuff doesn't suddenly mean the cops are knocking at people's doors.

Edit: And either I missed the last sentence or the quoted post was edited while I made this post.

 

[Champagne]

It is consistent. Racism is harmful in all cases. Lolicon harms no one. It is a victimless crime.

So an animated drawing of a cartoon child being fucked and all other matter of other gross, distributing things by an adult man can't be harmful at all?


....do you actually believe this?

....

 

[Jazz573]

So an animated drawing of a cartoon child being fucked and all other matter of other gross, distributing things by an adult man can't be harmful at all?


....do you actually believe this?

....

Yes. Because they are not actually children. They are drawings. Drawings. Not people. No children are harmed.

 

[The Technomancer]

Yes. Because they are not actually children. They are drawings. Drawings. Not people. No children are harmed.

So why is racist art harmful? Also just drawings