D'@rtagnan
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I'm not sure why Trudeau thinks it's a good idea to be so close to her. Ontario tends to elect Conservatives at the federal level when Liberals are in charge of the province.
Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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PumpkinSpice
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I don't know about other people but I still think she's doing a great job. As for Hydro One privatization, the way she/they are going about privatizing is pretty much a best case scenario. They effectively keep full control but sell of a chunk for a large cash infusion. I'd probably prefer that they not privatize and get a better federal money transfer (and I'd prefer this for all provinces since federal has waaaaay too much share of tax revenue) but given the circumstances -- large one time infrastructure expenses matched with a large one time cash infusion -- this isn't a bad solution.
If you compare to the privatization of Nova Scotia Power, which was pretty much just given away (at a loss!) to foreign shareholders and has led to decades of power infrastructure stagnation and price increases, it looks like a much better deal.
When has any kind of privatization of public infrastructure ever gone well for the public? I say this as i'm about to hop on the 407...
Impeccable
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Seems like a great deal!
PumpkinSpice
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I'd probably prefer they go with 51% ownership but 40% is such a massive share that they'd effectively get their way no matter what. Especially when you consider that no other shareholder can have more than 10%.
Yeah there's no way the private corps won't work together against the wishes of the public governmental body. Especially since they're no longer working under the transparency of a public utility. Are you serious?
Taxpayer funding for the monstrous Victims of Communism memorial(which the Conservatives will most certainly have built if reelected) has ballooned to $4.2 million and will probably balloon even further: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...ictims-of-communism-memorial-soars-above-4-2m
I wish the Ottawa media made this issue more prominent in the public view, it's textbook example of reckless spending by the Conservatives/Harper to promote their/his ideology.
I wish the Ottawa media made this issue more prominent in the public view, it's textbook example of reckless spending by the Conservatives/Harper to promote their/his ideology.
matthewwhatever
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I wouldn't put too much stock in there being some smoking gun tape or photo. Anonymous is known for promising stuff like this and then not delivering. It all sounds a lot like the rumours before the 2008 US election, when Republicans were promising each other that there was a tape of Michelle Obama saying "Kill whitey". Like Silexx said, there are mainly just rumours of Baird throwing giant, drunken parties with his friends in other countries...if there are pictures, they'd have presumably come out by now.
I think the Liberals realize that by disavowing any coalition plans, they can win over some soft Conservative support, which could be enough to throw Ontario into their column. Fear of an NDP win gave the CPC a last-minute surge in Ontario last time around -- almost wholly at the expense of the Liberals -- so that could work against the Conservatives this time.
The same applies for pretty much any legislation. The Liberals in the Senate could probably get a workable coalition going, since there are still some Red Tories in there who've been tinkering with some of Harper's legislation, but I don't know what the NDP would do. I'm not even sure how their legislation would get introduced in the Upper Chamber in the first place, let alone passed through. If they instantly appointed 20 Senators, that would bring the non-Conservative total to a majority, plus they could invoke S.26 of the Constitution Act to appoint an additional 8 senators, but that seems like it'd be really risky politics for the NDP (whereas for the Liberals, it would give them a chance to show how committed they are to non-partisan appointments).
Also, RE: the Wynne rally, it's about getting partisans excited and ready to vote. Compare this NDP rally/Mulcair book launch:
to this picture from last night:
Same venue in Toronto. One was small enough that Energy East protesters ended up being the takeaway story, the other generated all kinds of pictures of Trudeau speaking to a big, energetic crowd.
Harper supporter losing his marbles in front of journalists:
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2673918134/
"I think you're a piece of lying shit!"
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2673918134/
"I think you're a piece of lying shit!"
gutter_trash
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LOL!!!! ahahahaha he has a Doug Ford button
CitizenVectron
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http://abacusdata.ca/election-2015-ndp-leads-but-70-of-voters-up-for-grabs/
New poll:
NDP - 35% (+3)
CPC - 29% (-)
LPC - 26% (-1)
Other interesting part of the poll is which final form the government takes (in terms of people who support it or would be okay with it):
NDP minority supported by LPC: 62%
LPC minority supported by NDP: 61%
NDP majority: 60%
LPC majority: 57%
CPC minority: 54%
CPC majority: 49%
New poll:
NDP - 35% (+3)
CPC - 29% (-)
LPC - 26% (-1)
Other interesting part of the poll is which final form the government takes (in terms of people who support it or would be okay with it):
NDP minority supported by LPC: 62%
LPC minority supported by NDP: 61%
NDP majority: 60%
LPC majority: 57%
CPC minority: 54%
CPC majority: 49%
gutter_trash
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the graph has LPC at 26% while your poll has them at 28%
Also, veterans are planning to picket Conservatives in as many campaign stops as possible.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2170447/v...ut-conservatives-campaign-during-harper-stop/
CitizenVectron
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I fixed the LPC number, was a typo.
Professor Renegade
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Just saw this on CP24, the salt is too fucking real.
Yup. Every time Rob Ford had a scandal in Toronto, Ford Nation laid the blame squarely on the media for reporting it.
"So what if Ford smokes crack? Haven't we all done things we're not supposed to? Don't you have better things to report on?"
Eventually that will come back on them. Not from their base, but undecided voters get to see people act like petulant children in public.
It shows what diehard conservatives are telling themselves about all this and it's... not a good look.
If most of what they have left are the true kool-aid drinkers then it'll be harder and harder for them to reach out to fence sitters or get their less devoted base motivated to vote.
If what they're doing internally now is hating on the media for reporting on the Duffy trial then, man, that's a tactic you only use if all you can do is rile up your core to try to keep it intact.
If most of what they have left are the true kool-aid drinkers then it'll be harder and harder for them to reach out to fence sitters or get their less devoted base motivated to vote.
If what they're doing internally now is hating on the media for reporting on the Duffy trial then, man, that's a tactic you only use if all you can do is rile up your core to try to keep it intact.
matthewwhatever
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New Nanos numbers:
CPC 32 (+1)
LPC 29 (+1)
NDP 29 (-2)
Interesting that even though their methodology is totally different from Mainstreet, they have almost identical numbers (and exactly the same numbers if you just look at Mainstreet's Decideds).
CBC just played an even longer version of the video. It was preceded by another older guy yelling at journalists that he'd been voting Conservative for 50 years, but never again until they told the truth. That led to the new CPC viral star getting angry at him, and then at reporters. It was kind of sad to watch -- it was like seeing what happens after a lifetime (or at least many, many years) of being told to be afraid and that the media is out to get you. Just lots of anger.
CPC 32 (+1)
LPC 29 (+1)
NDP 29 (-2)
Interesting that even though their methodology is totally different from Mainstreet, they have almost identical numbers (and exactly the same numbers if you just look at Mainstreet's Decideds).
Cue Maharg telling us Nanos is wrong. Which isn't the worst thing, by the way -- I was briefing someone on the election this morning, and they asked how Nanos could find Conservative support growing when everyone else isn't seeing that, and thanks to him I was able to sound knowledgeable about 4-week rolling averages and and smaller samples.
CBC just played an even longer version of the video. It was preceded by another older guy yelling at journalists that he'd been voting Conservative for 50 years, but never again until they told the truth. That led to the new CPC viral star getting angry at him, and then at reporters. It was kind of sad to watch -- it was like seeing what happens after a lifetime (or at least many, many years) of being told to be afraid and that the media is out to get you. Just lots of anger.
CitizenVectron
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Ray Novak knew about the payment and lied to police, according to testimony presented in court today by a PMO lawyer. Calls are out for his resignation now, and for the PM to answer questions.
This is gonna be good.
New Democrats ask RCMP if they'll reopen Senate-expenses probe
From what I have read, there should definitely be charges against the Wright fellow like yesterday. I know Anon doesn't have the best track record but I found this interesting.
After reading this, I wouldn't be shocked at all.
gutter_trash
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perfect
gutter_trash
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https://electionfed2015.wordpress.c...sait-le-grand-defenseur-de-margaret-thatcher/
Thomas Muclair in 2001 as an Quebec MNA defended Margaret Thatcher's reforms in the UK and the same Mulcair said that government should not meddle with the private sector and the government should not try to imitate the private sector.
Mulcair is a fake lefty just like his fake smile
Thomas Muclair in 2001 as an Quebec MNA defended Margaret Thatcher's reforms in the UK and the same Mulcair said that government should not meddle with the private sector and the government should not try to imitate the private sector.
Mulcair is a fake lefty just like his fake smile
gutter_trash
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IMO, Tom only cares about Tom
Jack was the real deal. Tom is just a shape shifter
As far as Justin Trudeau goes, nobody doubts Trudeau being a Liberal making Trudeau authentic
Jack was the real deal. Tom is just a shape shifter
As far as Justin Trudeau goes, nobody doubts Trudeau being a Liberal making Trudeau authentic
I don't think Mulcair is a true NDP but he's helped make the party a real contender. If the NDP form government that will be a major milestone for them and will open the way for other parties like the Greens and kill chances of the Conservatives (or any party) every holding a majority again.
I think Trudeau is a real Liberal, he just....too worried about Conservative votes. He doesn't stick to his ideals. That C-51 thing was messed up and I heard some Liberals left the party because of it. I don't think he actually wants C-51 though.
gutter_trash
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Sherbrooke Declaration = Tom cannot be trusted on national unity.
gutter_trash
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After that Quebec thread, I'm not so sure that's a bad thing.
Good Luck having a forever Conservative rule in Ottawa without a Quebec
CitizenVectron
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None of the party leaders actually govern to their personal beliefs. They all do things they don't agree with in order to gain power and do some of the things they agree with. Harper can't ban gay marriage or abortions, but he can cut taxes and try and shrink government involvement in many sectors, as examples.
Both Trudeau and Mulcair have to make the same sacrifices. To act like either is 100% pure and honest is pretty naive. Anyone who has any chance at power has to accept compromise.
Both Trudeau and Mulcair have to make the same sacrifices. To act like either is 100% pure and honest is pretty naive. Anyone who has any chance at power has to accept compromise.
Oh damn, you're right.
lolToo bad for you that you have to thank the NDP for that
I know but there are some lines you can't cross, at least imo.
gutter_trash
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looks at income tax rates........ doesn't see a change.. what tax cut you talking about?
the GST? a consummer tax? pfffffffff that is small potatoes for teh average Canadian.
singletons have not seen any tax cuts
Shrink government? what you talking about? Harper has increased the size of government and government spending
Coldnoodle
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:lol
Also:
gutter_trash
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wow, 2 more months to go!
Why? Because of that old guy?
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After that Quebec thread, I'm not so sure that's a bad thing.
I'm so glad we're finally on the same page!
gutter_trash
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Ford Nation
The NDP, since Mulcair joined, has done more to kneecap separatism as a political force in Quebec than any level of Liberals has done. Truth.
Biff
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I'm calling it now, save this bad boy for posterity:
Tom Mulcair's lack of charisma will be the deciding factor that costs the NDP the election.
Two more months of the Canadian public trying to stay awake while Mulcair drones on in the background of rockstar Trudeau and evil villain Harper? He has no chance. I had engineering professors more engaging than this guy.
The average Canadian doesn't watch CSpan. This is the country's first extended, widespread exposure to Mulcair. And he is incredibly boring. Leaders aren't supposed to be boring, and the more we see of him, the more this will be reflected in the polls.
Tom Mulcair's lack of charisma will be the deciding factor that costs the NDP the election.
Two more months of the Canadian public trying to stay awake while Mulcair drones on in the background of rockstar Trudeau and evil villain Harper? He has no chance. I had engineering professors more engaging than this guy.
The average Canadian doesn't watch CSpan. This is the country's first extended, widespread exposure to Mulcair. And he is incredibly boring. Leaders aren't supposed to be boring, and the more we see of him, the more this will be reflected in the polls.
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