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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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gutter_trash

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it's gonna be a slow two months; the Duffy trial ongoing forces Harper to get derailed from his campaign talking points when the only questions journalists ask are about Duffy/Wright

This long slow drag has a dull affect on Harper being dull Prime Minister who has over extended his stay with the growing desire to send him packing

curious to see how strong the desire is for his removal goes to the point they fall to 3rd place
 
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MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
gutter_trash said:
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"I still don't have a number for you"
 
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A poll for the Ontario government:

PC 35%
ONDP 33%
OLP 26%

This is the sound of Trudeau telling Wynne to find a hole and stay there.
 
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SRG01

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Kifimbo said:
A poll for the Ontario government:

PC 35%
ONDP 33%
OLP 26%

This is the sound of Trudeau telling Wynne to find a hole and stay there.
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This isn't surprising. Ontario ebbs and wanes in terms of its provincial parties. Weren't the PCs slated to win majorities many times during previous campaigns?
 
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MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
You Are Viewtiful said:
Ouch. This article "The Closing of the Canadian Mind" appeared on the print version of the New York Times. Very damning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/the-closing-of-the-canadian-mind.html
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We had an entire thread on that the other day

CreeperBlocks said:
There was an interesting Interview on CANADALAND today where the host talked to Members of Anonymous.

They Found information About John Baird which is quite shocking.

Here's the podcast.

http://canadalandshow.com/podcast/interview-anonymous

Twitter Link:
https://twitter.com/opanondown/status/626875006438539265

If this is True then holy fucking shit
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Not buying it right now.


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Pedrito

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I won't entertain for a minute the idea that this story is true, but I've been jokingly telling for a while that the over the top support of the CPC for Israel can only be explained by the fact that Mossad has dirt on them.
 
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Sean C

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Tiktaalik said:
It's worth noting that the combined Social Credit/BC Liberal party, the BC Liberals, have been incredibly successful, and have been in power for 14 years and counting. If either the Liberals or Conservatives ever find themselves near wiped out and defeated, that's another reason to consider merging.
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The federal Liberal and Conservative parties in their present forms are not remotely compatible, and also deeply contemptuous of each other. Merger would never happen.
 
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Silexx

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They seem to be promising to reveal their evidence after Labour Day. Seems they want it to have maximum impact.

Edit: That said, they also admit they do not have 'smoking gun' evidence either. They're hoping someone is going to turn up with it eventually.
 
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firehawk12

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Tiktaalik said:
I know all this....

I'm bringing up the BC Liberals to show that the concept of a right wing party merging with right leaning Liberals can happen, has happened already in BC, and it could happen in the future.

I actually don't think this is very likely, but if for whatever reason Canada ever became a two party FPTP state, it would probably look a lot like BC.
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This is exactly how the Saskatchewan party took over from the NDP. Merge the PC and Liberal parties together... common enemy, I guess.

Silexx said:
They seem to be promising to reveal their evidence after Labour Day. Seems they want it to have maximum impact.

Edit: That said, they also admit they do not have 'smoking gun' evidence either. They're hoping someone is going to turn up with it eventually.
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Maybe it's why he left as soon as he did. I mean, I have no love for the guy, but I really don't want to see a Canadian politician be called a pedo. Leave that to the British MPs.
 
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Walpurgis

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I didn't think that guy could be anymore gross. He left the CPC right? If this gets out, how bad would it hurt them? Anonymous could be saving Canada.
 
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matthewwhatever

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That Baird stuff is...something. The pedophile stuff seems like a bit much, but there have definitely been rumours floating around some diplomatic circles about how Baird misused public funds. It may just be gossip, but the abrupt way in which he left, and Harper's near-total silence about it, suggested something was up.

Sean C said:
Good old Ralph, hangin' in there in Saskatchewan.

I'd like to see that Atlantic regional breakdown. 11 seats for the NDP seems a bit high to me.
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It may be a bit high, but it wouldn't shock me if they get close to that. Without Mackay to give at least the semblance of a link to the PC Party, the Conservative vote has collapsed in Atlantic Canada.
 
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firehawk12

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Walpurgis said:
I didn't think that guy could be anymore gross. He left the CPC right? If this gets out, how bad would it hurt them? Anonymous could be saving Canada.
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I dunno, Baird did a good job doing the publicly closeted thing and never really made his personal life any kind of issue (unlike Scott Brison) and he's generally respected as a good politician who was up at the top.

I guess it depends what actual details there are though - what he actually did and whether the leadership knew. Then again, nothing seems to have come out of the Duffy scandal, so I don't know if it matters anyway.
 
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Silexx

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matthewwhatever said:
That Baird stuff is...something. The pedophile stuff seems like a bit much, but there have definitely been rumours floating around some diplomatic circles about how Baird misused public funds. It may just be gossip, but the abrupt way in which he left, and Harper's near-total silence about it, suggested something was up.



It may be a bit high, but it wouldn't shock me if they get close to that. Without Mackay to give at least the semblance of a link to the PC Party, the Conservative vote has collapsed in Atlantic Canada.
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Let's be clear here: There is no allegations of Baird being a pedophile. These rumours are that Baird has a penchant for frequenting strip clubs around the world, some of which may employ underage (as in <18 year olds) dancers. There is zero suggestion that he engaged in any kind of sexual conduct with them.
 
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Walpurgis

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matthewwhatever said:
That Baird stuff is...something. The pedophile stuff seems like a bit much, but there have definitely been rumours floating around some diplomatic circles about how Baird misused public funds. It may just be gossip, but the abrupt way in which he left, and Harper's near-total silence about it, suggested something was up.
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Do you mean spending public funds on pleasure like the stuff in the tweet? If there are any rumours you have heard, please share!
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I dunno, Baird did a good job doing the publicly closeted thing and never really made his personal life any kind of issue (unlike Scott Brison) and he's generally respected as a good politician who was up at the top.

I guess it depends what actual details there are though - what he actually did and whether the leadership knew. Then again, nothing seems to have come out of the Duffy scandal, so I don't know if it matters anyway.
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I didn't know that everyone knew he was gay. I thought that would be a shock to the Conservative base. I guess all that is left is the pedophilia part then. I think if this is true, it will be WAY bigger than the Duffy scandal. Gay. Politician. Pedophile. This would be international news.
 
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Walpurgis

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Silexx said:
Let's be clear here: There is no allegations of Baird being a pedophile. These rumours are that Baird has a penchant for frequenting strip clubs around the world, some of which may employ underage (as in <18 year olds) dancers. There is zero suggestion that he engaged in any kind of sexual conduct with them.
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If there is actual footage of it, just a single frame of him watching dancing teenage boys would be enough to end his career. He may not be arrested but I'm sure it would end him. I've never been around to see a scandal like this but I can't imagine that it wouldn't hurt the Conservatives. They should at least drop a few points to the Liberals.
 
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Silexx

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Walpurgis said:
If there is actual footage of it, just a single frame of him watching dancing teenage boys would be enough to end his career. He may not be arrested but I'm sure it would end him. I've never been around to see a scandal like this but I can't imagine that it wouldn't hurt the Conservatives. They should at least drop a few points to the Liberals.
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I never said it looked good.

I hate to be feeding into the gossip, but given that I live in Ottawa, there's always those 'open secrets' that you eventually get to hear. And I've heard this for awhile now that Baird like them young in the 17-19 range and that he was infamous for throwing many wild parties at his place.
 
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Tiktaalik

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On the topic of mergers and coalitions...

Trudeau says no ‘formal coalition’ with NDP if no party wins a majority


Justin Trudeau is flatly ruling out a Liberal-NDP coalition to prevent Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives from forming another government if no party has a majority after the Oct. 19 vote.

“I do not believe in formal coalitions,” Trudeau said Monday.

“The Liberal party is, of course, as it always has been, open to working with other parties elected in the House of Commons to pass the right legislation to help Canadians.”

Campaigning on his plan to ease the government burden on middle-class paycheques , Trudeau dismissed the idea of governing in partnership with Thomas Mulcair, saying the New Democrat leader has no plans for the economy.

“I don’t believe in backroom deals or arrangements amongst leaders,” Trudeau said at a campaign stop in suburban Ajax, Ont.

“I believe that Canadians should have the full range of choices so that they can pick the team with the better plan.”

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Not too surprising given that there's no real advantage for the Liberals in being a junior partner in an NDP lead coalition.

Anyone out there who is planning on strategically voting Liberal in order to keep the Conservatives out and hoping for a coalition of the "left wing" parties in order to achieve this goal should be strongly reconsidering their voting strategy.
 
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Walpurgis

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I just realised that if this is real a man's life is about to be ruined and I'm about to be very happy. That's kind of messed up... I hate Baird but I hope he gets the help he needs. What pedophiles do is pretty messed up but what's also messed up is how they are sort of forced into hiding where they do god knows what. It seems that the easier option for them is to indulge. The government should make it so that its easier to get help since shaming them doesn't seem to solve the problem. Does anyone know what kind of services are available to them?
 
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Maximus.

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Walpurgis said:
NDP government with Liberal opposition would be a dream. I hope Harper's sex tapes leak.
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Let's just say the current trial around the senate scandal, may just be that sex tape.

Can someone explain how Alberta has a NDP Provincial government, but is so strung up on the Conservatives federally?
 
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Walpurgis

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gutter_trash said:
what's the point of joining a coalition if Harper is going to lose?

People think that Conservatives will re-form government in 2015?
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They've been losing points for the past month on CBC Poll Tracker. I guess anything can happen between now and October but I don't think it'll be anything good for the Conservatives.
gabbo said:
In Stephen Harper's Canada, jail time, and lots of it.
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I guess that would be poetic justice unfortunately.
 
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SRG01

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Fraull said:
Let's just say the current trial around the senate scandal, may just be that sex tape.

Can someone explain how Alberta has a NDP Provincial government, but is so strung up on the Conservatives federally?
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44 year corrupt political dynasty, primarily.
 
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Walpurgis

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Fraull said:
Let's just say the current trial around the senate scandal, may just be that sex tape.

Can someone explain how Alberta has a NDP Provincial government, but is so strung up on the Conservatives federally?
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If the Anonymous leaks are real, the sex tape that I was hoping for has arrived (well, close enough).

I heard that Alberta is still mostly right wing, it's just that the Christian Heritage (?) party siphoned votes from the Conservatives leaving the Alberta NDP with the most.
 
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killer rin

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Azih said:
Elect the NDP. Get PR in. And then we can vote for any party we want that's Green or larger anywhere in the country and not have to worry about safe seats or any of that bullshit.
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You know, my mind ended up wandering yesterday during work, and I came across something I overlooked on the topic of Electoral Reform. I'm almost certain that the NDP and Liberals will be able to get a bill passed through the house no problem... but thats only one part of the electoral system. It would still have to pass through the Senate, something which the Conservatives have a huge majority on.

If Harper was petty enough, couldn't he just tell the senators to vote against the bill like he has done in the past for other bills which the other parties have managed to get through the house.
 
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GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
Walpurgis said:
If the Anonymous leaks are real, the sex tape that I was hoping for has arrived (well, close enough).

I heard that Alberta is still mostly right wing, it's just that the Christian Heritage (?) party siphoned votes from the Conservatives leaving the Alberta NDP with the most.
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It was actually Wild Rose that helped split the right vote.
 
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GSG Flash said:
It was actually Wild Rose that helped split the right vote.
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If I recall correctly, the WR numbers didn't improve by much in the ridings in which the NDP won. The reason why the NDP won as they did was because of the improved turnout and a jump from soft-PC supporters and/or even right-wing voters.
 
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jstripes

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SRG01 said:
If I recall correctly, the WR numbers didn't improve by much in the ridings in which the NDP won. The reason why the NDP won as they did was because of the improved turnout and a jump from soft-PC supporters and/or even right-wing voters.
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This is why Canadian politics is fucking weird.
 
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GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
SRG01 said:
If I recall correctly, the WR numbers didn't improve by much in the ridings in which the NDP won. The reason why the NDP won as they did was because of the improved turnout and a jump from soft-PC supporters and/or even right-wing voters.
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Well what I meant is that in most of the non-Edmonton ridings, WR+PC votes>NDP votes, so the vote splitting between the two right wing parties was definitely to the benefit of the NDP.

Oh how I wish that there was another strong right wing party on the federal stage.
 
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You Are Viewtiful

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GSG Flash said:
Well what I meant is that in most of the non-Edmonton ridings, WR+PC votes>NDP votes, so the vote splitting between the two right wing parties was definitely to the benefit of the NDP.

Oh how I wish that there was another strong right wing party on the federal stage.
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That isn't how it went down though. The second choice party for most Wildrosers was not the PCs, it was the NDP. There was no "vote-splitting"; if the Wildrose didn't exist, most those Wildrose voters would have went NDP, not PC.

Like jstrips said, Canadian politics is weird.

http://www.threehundredeight.com/2015/06/without-wildrose-or-divided-right.html

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GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
You Are Viewtiful said:
That isn't how it went down though. The second choice party for most Wildrosers was not the PCs, it was the NDP. There was no "vote-splitting"; if the Wildrose didn't exist, most those Wildrose voters would have went NDP, not PC.

Like jstrips said, Canadian politics is weird.

http://www.threehundredeight.com/2015/06/without-wildrose-or-divided-right.html

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Well personally I do believe that the Wild Rose split the right vote, I think the PCs would have had a better showing without them, but I also agree that Canadian politics is weird.
 
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Tiktaalik

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I don't get what is so hard to understand. The recent Alberta election was overwhelmingly anti-incumbent. The predominant concern was that you didn't vote PC.
 
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Tiktaalik

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Oh boy. I feel like a hard press like that from Wynne is not going to have the effect she intends.

The impression I'm getting from the Ontarians I know is that they're already souring on the Ontario Liberal Party, mostly due to their terrible Hydro privatization scheme. I don't know if that's an impression shared by most average Ontarians or just my left wing friends. I'm an outsider looking in.
 
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Impeccable

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Tiktaalik said:
Oh boy. I feel like a hard press like that from Wynne is not going to have the effect she intends.

The impression I'm getting from the Ontarians I know is that they're already souring on the Ontario Liberal Party, mostly due to their terrible Hydro privatization scheme. I don't know if that's an impression shared by most average Ontarians or just my left wing friends. I'm an outsider looking in.
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Not only that but there is a giant teaching and education clusterfuck she still has to fix and work on. She's in no position to be saying anything about misleading promises or not having clear or workable plans. She basically ran off the back of unions then disappeared and changed everything once elected.
 
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