BreezyLimbo
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Isnt Huey still otacons voice still?
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JumPeRJumPzZ
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Kiefer still doesnt fit ...
PLASTICA-MAN
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Boss who ever you are, I will always follow you!
WTH? Everyone knows about the subterfuge? They why all the pain mainting it if all your soliders there are two Big Bosses ?
WTH? Everyone knows about the subterfuge? They why all the pain mainting it if all your soliders there are two Big Bosses ?
KOMANI
KOMANI
yeah... and it's fucking annoying to hear. Like a mosquito in the middle of the night, that won't let you sleep.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Yep.
He speaks in exactly the same manner as Otacon and he shares his son's toilet habits. Super serious and grounded MGS my ass lol.
Everyone talks like a cartoon but when it comes to Big Boss people want to defend the lack of Hayter because super serious MGS !
Still I don't mind Kiefer, just wish he spoke more in cutscenes and spoke at all in radio atleast as much as he does on tapes.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Huh? D-Dog is no longer a wolf and is a fox now liek the fox of FOX HOUND? Or just a skin ?
D Fox
BreezyLimbo
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Haha.
Hands of Stone
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It's Operation Intrude N313. you can catch a fairly clean glimpse of it between 1:42-1:43
on here https://a.pomf.cat/wzdclx.webm.
Edit-Guess I won't need to upload a screenshot.
on here https://a.pomf.cat/wzdclx.webm.
Edit-Guess I won't need to upload a screenshot.
Picture is wrong. Gray Fox's mision was Intrude 312.
KOMANI
KOMANI
it's the worst dialogue of the series. Localization and Direction fail. But that's fine, because I enjoyed the twist, the action is good, the cutscenes are well made.
My biggest problem, is that Kojima's ego punches right through the franchise with this installment. We rescue Kojima, once again, for the third time. Really man? really?
I would have liked a respectful departure for Hayter. At least have him as a soldier we could Fulton Recovery... Iraqouis Pliskin soldier, or something like that. The guy was Snake since the Solid franchise. I don't hate Kiefer, i think for this game, it makes sense to have him over David, but for fuck's sake man, curb your ego just a little bit.
My biggest problem, is that Kojima's ego punches right through the franchise with this installment. We rescue Kojima, once again, for the third time. Really man? really?
I would have liked a respectful departure for Hayter. At least have him as a soldier we could Fulton Recovery... Iraqouis Pliskin soldier, or something like that. The guy was Snake since the Solid franchise. I don't hate Kiefer, i think for this game, it makes sense to have him over David, but for fuck's sake man, curb your ego just a little bit.
PLASTICA-MAN
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I hope there is a Metal Gera 1 and why not Metal Gear 2 remake. You know those games that started all the series, they may become the best games in the series if their remakes are done correctly. Those games have the heroes of the series : Solid Snake, Big Boss 1 and Big Boss 2.
Hands of Stone
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EDIT- Had a brain fart.
MissCauthon
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Self_Destructive
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And yet he has N313 for Grey Fox's mission too.....
Pic is wrong. It should be N312 for Grey Fox.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Maybe he is hidden in the game somewhere to be found, who knows maybe some voice files hidden
i would hope so, but judging from what he's done in the past, highly unlikely.
BTW, thanks Plastic Man!
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Narcissism can be a horrible thing, yes, but unfortunately a large part of our history's most revered artists were all bipolar, narcissistic and/or had other mental disorders that were tied to self-image. Their art was often a way to either cope with it, by either using it to express their suffering or by trying to use it as a medium to increase their sense of self-worth. For instance, I don't wish depression upon anyone, but fuck me if depressed people don't make the best grunge. Anyway, OT, LOL
Fair enough regarding the deus ex machinas, although the nanomachines and especially FoxDIE managed to transcend that label by serving multiple uses in the narrative and feeling coherent with the themes of the game for me. I agree on the parasite, though.
notoriousKTR
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Seems appropriate to me, being that it's suppose to be some sort of monologue.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Maybe he is hidden in the game somewhere to be found, who knows maybe some voice files hidden
You know when SkullFace said that line: " With every chnage, I changed too!" It sounds like David Hayter. And many noticed that since the E3 trailer.
Hands of Stone
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Pic is wrong. He put Intrude 313 for both missions.
Yeah edited.
Remembering your original reaction to the twist, has your opinion at all changed? For better or for worse?
JigglesBunny
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As one of those really big Metal Gear fans who's played every game at least twice and still doesn't know a single damn thing about the story beyond the most clear and evident points, that Medic twist sounds stupid as all hell.
Not in the "Kojima, this is your last Metal Gear and THIS is what you produce?!" sense, more in the sense that it feels like a parody of a Kojima story twist, almost like he's making fun of himself a bit.
I still have more respect for Kojima than anyone else in the industry but wow, that's some stupid shit right there.
Not in the "Kojima, this is your last Metal Gear and THIS is what you produce?!" sense, more in the sense that it feels like a parody of a Kojima story twist, almost like he's making fun of himself a bit.
I still have more respect for Kojima than anyone else in the industry but wow, that's some stupid shit right there.
KOMANI
KOMANI
he was kinda right about most things... he called the body double gimmick before anyone.... and Yongyea just dismissed him.
I'm a lot more calm now, since I originally had a very knee-jerk reaction.
However, I still don't like it. At all.
I understand what Kojima was trying to accomplish, but I don't like the twist. I feel it was completely unnecesary and that this game was a huge wasted opportunity to further flesh out Big Boss' character.
You can say every Metal Gear game has a reason for existing since each of them contribute something to the timeline. TPP on the other hands contributes nothing else than saying:
That's pretty much it.
I would actually had been ok with the whole thing if the body double shenanigans would be only for this game, like, "there was one guy who did some stuff in the name of Big Boss during some days or months". But nope, now this twist expands to the other games as well and personally I think it greatly diminishes the Big Boss character.
You may know me around here and you know that I absolutely love me some Metal Gear bullshit. But in my opinion this went too far, and was completely unnecessary. All of this just to tell us that the guy we defeat in the original game was not the real Big Boss, but used to be some random medic under his command?
Deeply disappointed that this is how the franchise ends, to be honest....
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Shit, does that mean I'll have to S-rank everything in Ground Zeroes?
You can't do that Kojima.
I have never seen a game take such a nosedive as this does in its True and Quiet endings.
Kojima shouldn't get to write Metal Gear games. He's a great game designer, but a hack writer. He has to be the culprit; anyone else would have been laughed out of the studio.
That Quiet mission has to be a "Fuck You, Peace Walker 2" vendetta thing.
And don't think I didn't catch you trying to be slick. Parasites are the new nanomachines.
What a hack.
I have never seen a game take such a nosedive as this does in its True and Quiet endings.
Kojima shouldn't get to write Metal Gear games. He's a great game designer, but a hack writer. He has to be the culprit; anyone else would have been laughed out of the studio.
That Quiet mission has to be a "Fuck You, Peace Walker 2" vendetta thing.
And don't think I didn't catch you trying to be slick. Parasites are the new nanomachines.
What a hack.
If you define "trying" has hamming it up, then sure. His acting is fine here. Imagine for a moment you're not watching a cutscene from a video game series which features garbage anime tier performances. Close your eyes and imagine you're watching a movie featuring people who know how to talk without putting strange inflections on everything.
RyanardoDaVinci
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Lol, the FURICORN looks awesome.
Hands of Stone
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That's fair.
I keep going back and forth on liking and hating it. A full on Big Boss/Zero war would have been great..
EDIT- What's your beef with it Alien?
Exactly. He has no place in Metal Gear. He just sounds off compared to the rest of the characters and the ridiculous situations. Kiefer sounds out of place.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Apart from all of the philosophical implications that the destruction of the Big Boss mythos brings with it, a lot of people seem to not yet have realized that this also automatically places Solid Snake back on the pedestal as the real hero of the franchise.
- He was the original hero of the series by being in the first Metal Gear game and killing Big Boss.
- Then his power got diminished somewhat by being made an inferior clone of the guy he killed.
- Then he get diminished even more when Kojima decided to make the series more about Big Boss.
With the twist of TPP, Kojima breaks down the super legendary status Big Boss has achieved, which consequently makes everything Solid Snake did even more fucking impressive:
- He beat not one, but two Big Bosses.
- He managed to do more impressive shit than either of the Big Bosses, despite having the OG Big Boss' recessive genes.
- He ends up fulfilling the Boss' true goal by leaving the world alone after destroying The Patriots, Ocelot and both Big Bosses, all of which have created perverted versions of her goal.
Everyone seems to moan about the twist diminishing Big Boss, but they're so angry that they're not even seeing how much power this gives back to the REAL first Snake: Solid Snake.
Bless you, Kojima.
- He was the original hero of the series by being in the first Metal Gear game and killing Big Boss.
- Then his power got diminished somewhat by being made an inferior clone of the guy he killed.
- Then he get diminished even more when Kojima decided to make the series more about Big Boss.
With the twist of TPP, Kojima breaks down the super legendary status Big Boss has achieved, which consequently makes everything Solid Snake did even more fucking impressive:
- He beat not one, but two Big Bosses.
- He managed to do more impressive shit than either of the Big Bosses, despite having the OG Big Boss' recessive genes.
- He ends up fulfilling the Boss' true goal by leaving the world alone after destroying The Patriots, Ocelot and both Big Bosses, all of which have created perverted versions of her goal.
Everyone seems to moan about the twist diminishing Big Boss, but they're so angry that they're not even seeing how much power this gives back to the REAL first Snake: Solid Snake.
Bless you, Kojima.
Oh please. Its a phoned in performance. Its not terrible but you can tell hes done this in a booth and its just no his forte.
That's not true. Maybe in other MGS games, but Kojima is putting on the most serious face he can manage with this game. Ocelot got the same treatment with Troy Baker voicing him.
Kiefer is delivering the lines given to him in the manner in which he was told. He did the best he could with the script Kojima-sama put together.
No?
"Fuck you and gimme your money ". - Kojima
Exactly. To me, this game ruins what Snake Eater was all about. The message that even the closest of allies/friends can become bitter enemies and rivals in a different time. Snake Eater was foreshadowing the relationship between Big Boss and his support crew, how one day they would become enemies in different positions. How ideologies and the times would put them against each other.
You listen to The Boss' speech about this, and you hear EVA's explanation on Big Boss' and Zero's rivalry, and it makese perfect sense.
But no. Now we are back to the point where Zero and Big Boss are still friends and in a way, still working together. I truly wanted to see them on opposing sides.
THAT guy above. I wanted to see HIM furiously fighting against his old friend to the point of becoming the monster he was said to be in MG2:SS. I wanted this to be personal, between Zero and Snake.
I don't swallow the "oooh but he's evil because he manipulated the medic from the shadows!". That's bullshit to me. We should've been playing as Naked Snake, fueling the flames of war in several countries and recruiting the orphans. Compared to what it could've been, the "working in the shadows, hence he is evil" is extremely tame, and lame.
Just like Hayter did.
The Silver
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I'll definetly agree with this.
Before I was a Big Boss guy but after what MGSV reveals about him I've switched fully into Solid Snake camp. The one man who never became a hypocrite or got corrupted, just let everything be.
SomedayTheFire
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Konami obviously read the script and thought they could do better without Kojima.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Subverting our traditional ideas about what being a legend is all about and what is needed to create one, commenting on the everlasting discourse on good and evil and what defines them, retro-actively fixing cheesy plot issues within the first two MG games and allowing Solid Snake to sit on the throne as the one, true hero of the franchise once more.
It's pretty damn... solid.
Ding-ding-ding!
Ether_Snake
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I think I rike it now.
Seems like BB made Venom just to lure Skull Face, and once SF was dead he decided not to kill Venom because he had a right to continue to live, but from here on out, he's in control of himself. Fighting SF himself would have likely turned BB into a demon. Hence why later on BB would decide to send SS to kill him; BB is not on V's side, he is his own self, and now that he threatens the world and all that he has him taken down. Plus, it kind of helps BB into shaping his successor, which would be SS.
In a way, through Snake, BB buried the evil side of himself by materializing it into a real person. Sending Snake to kill Venom is his redemption to some extent.
See Venom Snake as Big Boss drawing out the venom that had accumulated in himself, and yet letting it live on, to be confronted by his "son". It's a big self purification ritual.
I like it, I think it was just not well understood nor explained.
That being said, it would still require some sort of MG2 remake to understand what Zanzibar is about, unless that really is Venom who survived again but from what I understood that would contradict what is said in TPP.
Seems like BB made Venom just to lure Skull Face, and once SF was dead he decided not to kill Venom because he had a right to continue to live, but from here on out, he's in control of himself. Fighting SF himself would have likely turned BB into a demon. Hence why later on BB would decide to send SS to kill him; BB is not on V's side, he is his own self, and now that he threatens the world and all that he has him taken down. Plus, it kind of helps BB into shaping his successor, which would be SS.
In a way, through Snake, BB buried the evil side of himself by materializing it into a real person. Sending Snake to kill Venom is his redemption to some extent.
See Venom Snake as Big Boss drawing out the venom that had accumulated in himself, and yet letting it live on, to be confronted by his "son". It's a big self purification ritual.
I like it, I think it was just not well understood nor explained.
That being said, it would still require some sort of MG2 remake to understand what Zanzibar is about, unless that really is Venom who survived again but from what I understood that would contradict what is said in TPP.
Well we can disagree, but you yourself seem to be giving him a pass cause hes delivering it as hes told. Hes an actor, he has to put his own performance in there as well as follow direction.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Agreed, Kiefer's performance is nuanced and subtle. It's not bombastic or theatrical, but that doesn't make it boring. Monotony would make it boring, but there's no monotony to be spotted; it sounds real, controlled and somewhat subdued, as I imagine the character would talk IRL.
People have trouble coming to terms with the tonal shift of the game and are using Kiefer as another reason to shit on it, going as far as to confuse subtlety with boredom. Ugh.
The main problem with the voice-acting is the lack of congruency in tone. As pointed out before, Skull Face has been done a lot hammier, which doesn't gel with Kiefer's performance. But that is not Kiefer's problem.
Every disappointed post has these two words in it.
Think about that for a second.
A Big Boss v Zero war would have been nothing. Kojima's hands are tied if he's going to (mostly) stick with what he's already written. If Big Boss and Zero had ever had any sort of meaningful encounter, we should have known about it already. Also, we've seen how the timeline goes in the 90s and onward, so there could have been no meaningful consequences as a result of their scuffle.
It would have been some sort of stalemate with either one fleeing the scene before or after a climactic Metal Gear battle. And I am sure at some point around the finale they would have saluted each other and remarked about how their fate is decided and the world isn't big enough for both of them.
What does Hayter's performance and the direction he was given have to do with anything, m8? Kojima didn't want him for this game. He did his job in 1 til PW, but I don't think he'd have fit the bill here.
I wasn't aware you existed inside the mind of Kiefer Sutherland and knew how much pizazz he put on what was requested of him.
Ok, I just completed my 180 and am now ashamed of my words and deeds. It's much better than it seemed at first. It's still completely unnecessary, not what we wanted and insane, but damn if it's not interesting as hell, and I love that Naked Snake acknowledges Big Boss as an idea built by different men, it supports the impression I got that he was, for all intents and purposes, Big Boss, not just someone impersonating him, but some people were so adamant that it was not the case that I started doubting it. If he was trated as just a fake Big Boss, that would be straight up garbage, but it's not the case.
The "YOU are Venom Snake" thing still doesn't resonate with me, though, I wish he was his own character, but oh well. It would be much more interesting to see his conflict, not sure of who he was, which memories he can trust, and how else to live if not as Snake. He now knows he wasn't Big Boss originally, but it's all he knows now, I find that angle much more interesting than just "you are Big Boss".
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