Hands of Stone
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Am I the only one who's a bit sick of Liquid?
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Bam Bam Baklava
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The real Liquid hasn't been in many games at all. The last time we saw him was back in 1998.
The Metal Gear Wikia has finally accepted the "The Truth":
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Venom_Snake
Better late than never I guess ;-)
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Venom_Snake
Better late than never I guess ;-)
WrenchNinja
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Probably not. But it's not like he's been in a game since MGS2, Ocelot pretending to be Liquid in MGS4 withstanding.
RavenEffect
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Preach.
Robdraggoo
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how many story missions are there in the game? looks like 31 but people are talking about missions in the 40s
afternoon delight
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You're not alone.
entremet
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Yep. He was pretty great in that too.
2001 if you count Ghost Liquid possessing Ocelot.
mgs2master2
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so question. Eli, is he optional or does he come up in the story?
entremet
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Bam Bam Baklava
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I think most MGS fans would agree he was best antagonist by far in any of the games. He was your equal but also your opposite. Your professor Moriarty.
Imagine how different the entire universe had been if Kojima had kept him alive. I think it's easily one of his biggest regrets.
Personally, I had to put up with a lot of dumb shit in the MGS series over the decades.
But the insinuation/argument that Big Boss planned Operation Intrude N313 11 years ahead of time without actually ever meeting Solid Snake (or technically Liquid either) is just the straw that broke the camels' back.
Fuck this series' story, this is fucking stupid.
But the insinuation/argument that Big Boss planned Operation Intrude N313 11 years ahead of time without actually ever meeting Solid Snake (or technically Liquid either) is just the straw that broke the camels' back.
Fuck this series' story, this is fucking stupid.
NyMartin90
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You never know maybe Konami will be the ones to make it now
Huh... No bro. Ocelot was possessed in MGS2. That's why he had Liquid's arm removed, because it was too unstable. This is explained in the database. Liquid's possession was real in MGS2.
For what it's worth I don't think it was 11 years in advance at all and that he only planned it shortly before it happened. A few people are speculating that it was before 1995 but there's no evidence to support it beyond "Look at this old art of Big Boss. Does this look like Venom Snake?"
Crankshaft
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Metal Gear games not made by Kojima have not been received well by the fans so my expectations are being set low.
Robdraggoo
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My opinion incoming
This whole ending just sounds sooo stupid. What happened really? Somewhere along the lines Kojima fell in love with big boss, the series original antagonist. Ever since then, he has been actively trying to change that. Which is fine, there his characters, but he is changing them so much that the intent is no longer even clear. And I know its Metal gear and there is lots of twists/turns, clones and all that crap. But I really thought we were going to see BB rise and fall in this one. BB was this series darth vader so to speak. Instead Kojima cant even have any kind of redemption for this character because he is an angel and anything bad he had ever done was not done my him. Im not going to lie, I love this series but its lore, timeline and weirdness was always really hard for me to follow so I dont understand it that much. If this was to be kojimas last metal gear game, then why did he end it this way, if he loves BB, why didnt he give us one last chance to play as him? I dont undertstand this at all.
This whole ending just sounds sooo stupid. What happened really? Somewhere along the lines Kojima fell in love with big boss, the series original antagonist. Ever since then, he has been actively trying to change that. Which is fine, there his characters, but he is changing them so much that the intent is no longer even clear. And I know its Metal gear and there is lots of twists/turns, clones and all that crap. But I really thought we were going to see BB rise and fall in this one. BB was this series darth vader so to speak. Instead Kojima cant even have any kind of redemption for this character because he is an angel and anything bad he had ever done was not done my him. Im not going to lie, I love this series but its lore, timeline and weirdness was always really hard for me to follow so I dont understand it that much. If this was to be kojimas last metal gear game, then why did he end it this way, if he loves BB, why didnt he give us one last chance to play as him? I dont undertstand this at all.
BreezyLimbo
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Liquid hijacking Shadow Moses with Psycho Mantis was orchestrated by Ocelot and Solidus. If anything it works in their favor that Liquid would want to hijack REX.
in mgs2 it was real
but he had it replaced with a fake arm, then hypnotized himself to believe he was still under the arm's control
Ether_Snake
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It's much more likely that due to cutting the real ending out they rushed the current ending. It was probably supposed to be an old Big Boss dressed differently, that's all. The scene has a fricking MSX turn on when he puts the N313 tape in, then Big Boss in a mirror, it's all meta at this point, and rushed. Don't read too much into it.
crazyrabbits
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Info/secrets from the strategy guide:
- Yes, you need to include a Butterfly (specifically, the "front" part) in your emblem if you want to stop the chain of events (beginning with Mission 41) that causes Quiet to leave.
- You can put all of the Walker Gears you find in Mission 15 on a flatbed truck and drive it out of the area, which completes the mission.
- The wandering soldier you rescue during Mission 22 is the same guy who helped Miller up after the RPG attack at the end of Ground Zeroes.
- Shooting at the A.I. Pod during Side-Op 143 causes it to speak lines from MGS3 and Peace Walker.
- You can short out transmitters or enemy radios with the Water Gun weapon.
- If Snake is seriously injured, depending on his condition when you extract, he'll either have an IV drip or blood transfusion next to him in the ACC.
- Mother Base staff members in the same unit will eventually learn each other's languages.
- Yes, you need to include a Butterfly (specifically, the "front" part) in your emblem if you want to stop the chain of events (beginning with Mission 41) that causes Quiet to leave.
- You can put all of the Walker Gears you find in Mission 15 on a flatbed truck and drive it out of the area, which completes the mission.
- The wandering soldier you rescue during Mission 22 is the same guy who helped Miller up after the RPG attack at the end of Ground Zeroes.
- Shooting at the A.I. Pod during Side-Op 143 causes it to speak lines from MGS3 and Peace Walker.
- You can short out transmitters or enemy radios with the Water Gun weapon.
- If Snake is seriously injured, depending on his condition when you extract, he'll either have an IV drip or blood transfusion next to him in the ACC.
- Mother Base staff members in the same unit will eventually learn each other's languages.
Can you still do the mission if you stop her from leaving?
EmCeeGramr
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I just can't stop laughing at how Kojima's first plot twist (Big Boss is the commander of Outer Heaven) has been undone by his last plot twist (No he wasn't!).
entremet
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Oh, Kojima lol.
crazyrabbits
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The guide is vague about it. It states that completing Mission 41 should be done normally as it's what the designers intended. On page 304, it then states that if your bond with Quiet is at maximum, she disappears at some point after Mission 43 is completed.
It says that the only way to delay her leaving is to either artificially lower your bond with her, or to use the Butterfly emblem. The way it's written, it makes it sound like you can just prevent her leaving in first place by fulfilling either of those conditions, and not have to worry about Mission 41 at all.
EDIT: Another tip from the guide. It states that the easiest way to beat Mission 48 (Code Talker Extreme) is to drop tanks on the Skulls during the opening sniper battle. It suggests killing three of the four, then leaving one alive to guard a pass (which lowers the overall difficulty) and then beating it.
But I want to play all missions D:
I guess the way to go is just do everything, and if I really miss Quiet, start all over again.
It's made clear that Venom is "Big Boss" in MG1, and that the original Big Boss is in MG2.
crazyrabbits
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Just pretend that Big Boss is having survivor's guilt/multiple personalities from GZ, which is causing him to hallucinate that he's a medic.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Kitatus notified about something:
Do you not remember in Peace Walker; Huey tells Snake about electronic cigarettes and he says "No thank-you, I'd rather stick to cigars"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_eec4_w4rA&feature=youtu.be&list=PLcLsqFvBLUw84fiwwasnDHwoCjj5UST11
It was a revelation since that time that this wasn't the real Big Boss.
It was a revelation since when the MGSV trailers came out; Venom Snake was using the Phantom Cigar.
Big Boss in the truth ending smokes cigars while this one accepts electronic ones.
Do you not remember in Peace Walker; Huey tells Snake about electronic cigarettes and he says "No thank-you, I'd rather stick to cigars"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_eec4_w4rA&feature=youtu.be&list=PLcLsqFvBLUw84fiwwasnDHwoCjj5UST11
It was a revelation since that time that this wasn't the real Big Boss.
It was a revelation since when the MGSV trailers came out; Venom Snake was using the Phantom Cigar.
Big Boss in the truth ending smokes cigars while this one accepts electronic ones.
Ok, it's my birthday today. I loaded up the game, finished mission 3 I think it was, and I headed back to mother Base. When I got there, I was met by Miller, Ocelot and a few crew members, they had a big birthday cake for me, I had to blow out the candles lol, oh and all the crew are wishing me a happy birthday lol. Coincidence or Kojima?
My cake
My cake
I never understood this. Why would you need to hypnotise yourself to believe something when you could just pretend?
Whatever, that plot device was stupid. The whole point of the ruse was that the Patriots would take Liquid less seriously than they would Ocelot, which Ocelot and Big Boss magically knew somehow. 4 was such a mess.
Cob32
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You can play as your avatar with the same skill levels and robot arm if it helps.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Ok, it's my birthday today. I loaded up the game, finished mission 3 I think it was, and I headed back to mother Base. When I got there, I was met by Miller, Ocelot and a few crew members, they had a big birthday cake for me, I had to blow out the candles lol, oh and all the crew are wishing me a happy birthday lol. Coincidence or Kojima?
My cake
Happy Birthday !
Haha yeah that's it. Is it part of the game or is it the genius of Kojima and the reason for entering your birth date at the start?
Crossing Eden
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Because "pretending" wouldn't have been enough. The Patriots would have noticed. It had to be 100% convincing, and that including fooling even Ocelot's allies (EVA) and himself.
PLASTICA-MAN
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This thing was since MGS2 but it was less elaborated than this, it was just Happy Birthday message that is all. Also putting your real name in the game granst your dogtag with your name in MGS2. Inserting Kojima's name or other Konami Staff memeebrs grants you special messages.
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Worst of all, look at the ending they cut in this one. If Liquid had really taken over Ocelot after MGS1, forever, it would have bern perfectly fine. He would have been trying to get back at The Patriots since he was a kid, because he was a failed clone.
Now, he's wrong, Venom is as real as the real BB yet he's just medic.
BreezyLimbo
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Pythonselkan used that info in their videos to support their argument.
Yeah, I'm done.
I'm going to appreciate the games on their individual merits but the canon means nothing to me, anymore.
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