I noticed guards could see through walls on the mansion level in Africa. I fultoned a guy out after looking around and checking there was nobody there and the two guys in the lobby at the front of the house saw it despite being inside.
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I noticed guards could see through walls on the mansion level in Africa. I fultoned a guy out after looking around and checking there was nobody there and the two guys in the lobby at the front of the house saw it despite being inside.
Is this actually accurate? Did the trailers ever say this game was going to be about BB's transition into a monster? It's been a long time since I watched them and I don't feel like going back and doing it.
As for Eli, I think they just left that last bit in there as a setup for a sequel. It was totally resolved, though. This game is a prequel and we've heard no mention of Sahelanthropus or the virus in any other game. When I saw the scene, I just thought "well the game is trying to tell me that Venom Snake still has work to do and clearly he does it."
Yep. It's been the whole marketing push for the game. Japans tagline is basically "Become a monster"
Revolutionary
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Sounds like something Nolan Batman would say.
I didn't even kill the zombie soldiers lol
Well we can easily tell who the lethal and non lethal players are here...
The only time I killed someone in the game is when the game made me do it, like in the Quarantine mission.
Do you ever cause potentially life-altering concussive head injuries?
I extracted them as well only to realize I only got shitty soldiers out of that. So I never did that again.
Yes they did...he was never a "monster" though.
He was just not a good guy, he opposed the patriots so if he was a monster the patriots would be the good guys...which was not the case either.
Basically they were all bad guys....not really monsters but people who gucked things up royally for the future generation.
Liquid stealing my Gundam was clearly unresolved, the existence of chapter 51 video in the Collector's Edition is proof of that.
I am aware of chapter 51. I don't think it needed to be in the game, though. Mission 51 doesn't actually tell us anything new. The conclusion of mission 51 puts us back in the exact same place we were before Eli stole the metal gear. It does not add anything to the narrative whatsoever. We already know Eli is a child soldier and that he does not like Big Boss.
My point was that when the game was being edited together in the last couple months, they would have had a choice of leaving the last Eli scene in the game or cutting it, knowing that mission 51 wasn't going to ship. It's probably likely that Konami or somebody on the dev team decided to leave it in as bait for a sequel. Almost every video game does that these days.
It is resolved though. We know nothing comes of it because we see nothing of it in the games which take place after TPP.
It's so weird. Like, literally only one thing changed in that whole sequence and it was right at the start.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Yeah, after that I just skipped all the cutscenes and got right to the end.
I didn't
because I thought they wouldn't waste my time and they'd have made loads of changes to re-contextualize the scene. Wasted my life damn it.Coffee Dog
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Yeah, one of the most amusing things I've learned from MGSV is that Kojima's definition of evil is things like "hurting children" and "murdering lots of people", when in peace walker you literally start a fanatical terrorist cult compound and protect it with a walking nuclear superweapon, which is exactly the thing that Big Boss was doing in Metal gear 1!
His view of morality is whack.
lutewaffle
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Well I finished the game a few days ago. I had fun but story wise I'm disappointed. I've seen the unfinished mission 51 footage and I don't get how they thought it was okay to cut that. The kids stole a goddam gundam from your base and the game and characters (as is) are like "Oh well!"
I really liked the Paz story.
Also the first time you have to run from Schelathingy was one of the best moments of the game to me. I was hiding behind a rock and it leaned over for a bit, screamed, then smashed the rock I was behind and killed the shit out of me.
But as someone who liked the Metal Gear franchise mainly for the story I can't help but be disappointed.
Also what about those quotes from Kojima that were about stuff never being done before being done in this game? What was that all about?
I really liked the Paz story.
Also the first time you have to run from Schelathingy was one of the best moments of the game to me. I was hiding behind a rock and it leaned over for a bit, screamed, then smashed the rock I was behind and killed the shit out of me.
But as someone who liked the Metal Gear franchise mainly for the story I can't help but be disappointed.
Also what about those quotes from Kojima that were about stuff never being done before being done in this game? What was that all about?
I bet it was part of the cut content. There was supposed to be a return to Camp Omega but it never happened.
That's not how it works.
If they introduce something then it needs to be resolved if it isn't then it is unresolved. It doesn't matter if nothing comes out of it later, it remains unresolved.
For instance we know there was never a full scale nuclear war between Russia and USA as there was no mention of it in MGS1 or MGS2, but it needed to be resolved over how it came to be after being introduced in MGS3. Similarly peace walker could not exist and it would still barely change anything from the future MGS story we know of...because the conclusion to the saga happened before Peace Walker came out, we know MSF wasn't Outer Heaven so why did we get a conclusion for it since we knew nothing of MSF remains in Outer Heaven.
I would explain it better if I wasn't on phone so dont take the examples in my arguments in the literal sense, just try to see the point I am making.
They talked about a third open world setting being cut if I remember correctly. Not sure if Camp Omega was specifically mentioned.
Plus leaving sequel hooks when 1) this is the last game from respective studio and 2) This game is supposed to close the loop is beyond stupid.
razzmahtazz
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I'm just here waiting for someone smarter than me to figure it all out. I give out a few questions and plug in my own theories as to what is happening. I don't go out and say THIS STORY IS TRASH, FUCK THIS SERIES, KOJIMA IS HACK or etc bash the game out right.
I do the above because shit like this has happened before and we were all eating crow by the end.
Have you done all 10 wandering mother base side ops? If you're still waiting for one to pop, you might need to do other side ops first.
I've also noticed her door doesn't always unlock until you do a proper non side-op mission or FOB.
Snakes are flexible after all.
Death Metalist
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BB says the same thing but with different words at the end of MGS4 as well lol.
It's tied to finding all photos.
I don't have Quiet and it still didn't trigger for me.
I did find all photos.
Did you?
There is one more in the hall to her room once you have given her all 10 from the MB soldiers.
Yep, did them all (she currently has 10 photos on the wall) but every time I go into the room she has the book and drops it, that's all the interaction.
Gonna try running another side-op and see if that fixes things.
Aha. Thanks.
Booyah
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I enjoyed aspects of the story/ending. Doesn't mean I have to either like/love it all or hate it all and I'm sure others are the same as well. The only difference between this MGS and other MGS games is by now I'd be taking a break from an MGS game but not this one, 100+ hours in and I still got a bunch of side ops to do, build more awesome shit with MB to experiment with, doing the mission tasks and S ranking all main missions.
Mr. Smiley
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If you extracted all the wandering soldiers and showed all 10 photos to Paz, there should be an eleventh right outside Paz's room. As soon as you enter the hallway there should be photo nearby, on the right wall entering is where I found it.
Pick it up and enter the room one last time.
Edit: Beaten hard
BreezyLimbo
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For the Paz pictures, does that include the early 'wandering MB soldier' side ops? Or is it another set of wandering MB soldiers?
It's those ones yeah, and 10 unlock over the course of the game.
Akiyama_AE
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I guess (personally speaking) I'm disappointed that so many people shat on MGS4 due to its storytelling despite having a decent to good plot to the point of it becoming an internet meme and altering people's perception of past MGS games but not many are doing that for this game.
Who the fuck knows? For all intends and purposes he now is BB.
BreezyLimbo
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I never got photos from the first two wandering soldier missions. And the medical bay didn't unlock for me.
I guess (personally speaking) I'm disappointed that so many people shat on MGS4 due to it's storytelling despite having a decent to good plot but not many are doing that for this game.
Well it's a lot longer, not a lot of people have finished yet judging by the comments in the OT.
Plus, we've had MGS4 and Peace Walker. I'm thinking people weren't exactly expecting greatness this time around and hell, I loved both of those.
Death Metalist
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I guess (personally speaking) I'm disappointed that so many people shat on MGS4 due to it's storytelling despite having a decent to good plot to the point of it becoming an internet meme and altering peopl's perception of past MGS games but not many are doing that for this game.
It won Gaf goty twice. It's my favorite MGS by the way, every year I replay it and I still love it.
Hey, he wasn't a terrorist, he was a freedom fighter.
Check the Database. The last tab of the encyclopaedia lists the photos.
Well I mean, technically the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars were terrorists by modern standards. Same goes for American Revolutionaries.
Just depends on point of view.
I think you're incorrect to say that every plot point must be resolved. I think you can leave many things unsaid if it's not important to the Bigger Picture.
The big picture in this game shouldn't really be the global threat possessed by Skull Face or Eli. Just like the big picture in MGS3 wasn't really the nuclear war, it was the politics being played around Snake and The Boss.
I understand what you mean when you say it's unresolved. We've seen what mission 51 would have been, though. It is in much the same vein as the rest of the game in that Kojima does not seem to understand the plot isn't the most important thing in a prequel. Do you honestly feel like you would have felt satisfied if you got this mission as the conclusion of the game? Mission 51 ends with VS harboring no ill will towards Eli and Eli teeming with hatred for Big Boss. That is exactly where those two characters were at the conclusion of Chapter 1. Is that the grand conclusion you wanted for this game?
So I guess I should say it wasn't resolved, but I didn't really need it to be. Not just because it's a prequel, but also because Kojima messed up the writing a little bit in this game.
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