TheLostBigBoss
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it's a soap opera, not a "sport"
doesn't mean they don't kick the shit out of each other, but it's staged with storylines and characters
So like how does Pro Wrestling work?
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it's a soap opera, not a "sport"
doesn't mean they don't kick the shit out of each other, but it's staged with storylines and characters
And how you play it.
Basically wrestling is entertainment. Don't get caught up on who the "best" wrestler is. It's all related to story lines which are fake in the same way that movies and tv shows are fake. What's real is the physicality in the matches. You can't throw someone through a 16 foot high chain link fence and call that fake.
Leona Lewis
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I stopped watching the WWE regularly after the whole Chris Benoit debacle (I still love his work tho'). Without him and Eddie Guerrero there's no appeal to me.
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Sato Koiji
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Ive stopped watching it when I found out that its the most damaging thing on the planet. Former stars are dying like flies. Oh and Benoits brain was damaged to a degree where he couldnt control his own actions anymore. My former main man Angle is looking ill as well and its only a matter of time.
What more needs to be said, OP?
http://www.elreynetwork.com/originals/lucha/
Season 2 starts around January.
Bonus gif that includes a burning table: https://33.media.tumblr.com/64f42000523a3931e375a497c885decd/tumblr_nsntb3w28Z1rofocqo1_500.gif
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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What do you think 'sport' means?
if we get into the classic "semantics of the word sport" argument we'll end up like an e-sports thread, we'll never get out of it
This whole post is excellent and accurate, but I did want to point that more through planning is not unheard of. Particularly, WCW wrestler Diamond Dallas Paige, perhaps to compensate for beginning his in-ring career at a relatively old age, was known to meticulously plan out his matches, much to the disgust of some his traditional-minded colleagues, including Ric Flair. I'd be interested in learning if there are any currently active wrestlers that hew to this methodology to some degree.
Sato Koiji
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In a sport individuals compete against each other to see whos the best in their discipline.
And since everybody knows whos going to win in wrasslin...its not a sport.
FallingEdge
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if you use drugs to get a competitive advantage, it is a sport
wild wild rice
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Holy shit, I didn't know the whole Benoit story. Tragic.
well then wrestling most definitely is a sport!
Amateur wrestling is certainly a sport.
So pro-cycling is the sportiest of all sports?
and F1 is not, unless they take adderall or something?
E-sports confirmed for real sports!
Why would this be anymore of a joke thread that someone, i dunno, asking to be explained how comicbooks work?
FallingEdge
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they are doing cycles while they cycle
There is no structure to any of it. In fact today in WWE they go against plain logic. For example Sting lost to Triple H at Wrestlemania, yet Sting after losing his last match against Triple H got a Championship match against Rollins.
John Cena beat Rollins for the US title (Rollings had both titles) thus John Cena should get a title shot by any boxing or MMA logic. Alas no.
WWE is today ashamed of the fact that they are wrestling, they do not outright say its fake, but they are scared to take it too seriously. This manifests itself in too much comedy. They are scared to present a realistic angle with 2 serious characters. It has to be goofy and silly.
The crowd was not always in on it, especially the younger crowd in the 70s and 80s. Back then the crowd believed it was real to some extent, while the people in the back believed it was fake.
Today its the reverse, the crowd knows its fake and is trying to desperately send signals to who they like and do not like. Meanwhile the people in the back believe its real, real in the sense that they judge who deserves to be a main event er and who does not. The roles switched and its bizarre to witness.
In the 70s and 80s, wrestling in the US was sorta split into 2:
North/east style, WWWF aka WWF aka WWE was mostly slow, full of big guys, not very athletic, almost resembled a comic book
Southern "raslin", dirty in the sense that you had very hot angles that were rooted more in realism, resembled a early 70s action movie in a way.
Japan has always leaned on more realism, less goofiness of the American counterpart. Mexican is both flashy and dirty similar to southern "raslin"
The promoter decides, unless the wrestler has enormous political power. Today nobody really has that power anymore.
If you recall what i wrote above, there is a disconnect between the promoter and the fans these days. A large portion of WWE fans have booed and wanted John Cena to be a bad guy, WWE refuses to listen to this. Meanwhile WWE recently tried to book fan favorite and legend Undertaker, who is merely a few matches from retirement, the fans do not want to boo Undertaker. Logically one should be both at different times during their career, as that opens up new feuds and possbilities. If i fought you as a bad guy, and we drew money. Then we are separated, i become a good guy later on, and you become a bad guy, and we can do our feud again, drawing money while still seeming fresh because we have changed character.
As for Goldberg, he went to WWE and they butchered his character and killed his appeal, he left and that was that. Goldberg is just one of many ex WCW guys who went there and was mishandled, others include Scott Steiner, nWo, DDP and recently Sting.
I don't know, I'd probably think that was a joke thread too. It was more the phrasing of the OP rather than the topic itself.
I used to be a huge fan of wrestling growing up in the 90s. That match was at the peak of my interest and will forever live in the memory. Without even watching the video I remember the part where JR (could be Jerry the King) says "OMG HIS TOOTH IS THROUGH HIS LIP" or something to that effect.
Absolutely crazy bout. How does it stack up since the early 2000s? Still considered a classic? Because that was easily the best I ever witnessed.
NorthernIX
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OP, in an effort to let you decide if pro wrestling is a real sport or not, I've put together a few video links to let you decide for yourself.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5acti_scott-steiner-maths_sport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSh35ryueA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlpSsklsq2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_SumbG8i9s
I think that's enough to make up your mind.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5acti_scott-steiner-maths_sport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSh35ryueA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlpSsklsq2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_SumbG8i9s
I think that's enough to make up your mind.
Yeah it's one of the most annoying things to hear someone say 'you know its fake right?' to someone who is talking about it. What a revelation!
My favorite wrestling gif:
This is everything that I love and respect about wrestling. That guy isn't really using telekinesis to choke slam his opponent, we know it's fake and you don't care because it is entertaining. Just like those punches that don't connect, or that absurd stalling suplex that anyone could get out of if they just moved. Think about the guy taking the chokeslam, in reality he is jumping up and coming down straight on his back. Regardless, if the chokeslam is not legitimate he has to really hurt himself to make the whole thing work.
As silly as this situation is (this would never occur in WWE for example), it really gets to the heart of wrestling, really. Two guys putting on a show to entertain people with physical performances. It's fake and it's real and it's stupid and it's entertaining. There is really nothing else like it.
This is everything that I love and respect about wrestling. That guy isn't really using telekinesis to choke slam his opponent, we know it's fake and you don't care because it is entertaining. Just like those punches that don't connect, or that absurd stalling suplex that anyone could get out of if they just moved. Think about the guy taking the chokeslam, in reality he is jumping up and coming down straight on his back. Regardless, if the chokeslam is not legitimate he has to really hurt himself to make the whole thing work.
As silly as this situation is (this would never occur in WWE for example), it really gets to the heart of wrestling, really. Two guys putting on a show to entertain people with physical performances. It's fake and it's real and it's stupid and it's entertaining. There is really nothing else like it.
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Why are they so scrawny though? You should put on muscle if you want to compete shirtless. Lazy assholes.
Because you dont need to be jacked to do a telekinetic chokeslam. He can do it on the Great Khali if he wanted. Either way its stupid as shit. Stuff like that give a bad rep to wrestling.
It's better fit for backyards.
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You know how much better you'd look if you could get some vascularity in your psychic flexin'? Fuck, that's an untapped market.
My ephemeral form can bench 1050 lbs.
It's a loaded question that the OP keeps returning to even know they know the answer.
ThankYouDaletech
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I've learned how to astral project just so I can give people the 3D when my tag partner isn't around.
All of wrestling, top to bottom is pretty stupid. The type of stupidity just varies from promotion to promotion. Hell, one of the most beloved gritty IWC programs Lucha Underground has a wrestler who is literally a dragon.
ThankYouDaletech
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LIT-ER-AL DRAAAAG-ON *clap clap clapclapclap*
Sibersk Esto
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He's not a telekinetic dragon though, that would be dumb.
vas_a_morir
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GAF is in love with this group called New Day or something. All I know is one of the guys looks like Ghostface.
And one of the other guys was on Gootecks and Mike Ross' Street Fighter Show.
Yeah, these guys rule.
And one of the other guys was on Gootecks and Mike Ross' Street Fighter Show.
Yeah, these guys rule.
Hipster Cthulhu
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Great indie shenanigans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzIwPIlbfUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOcjq4siu7A
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Yeah, Nakamura is the best. He's basicly the Dio of real life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzIwPIlbfUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOcjq4siu7A
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Yeah, Nakamura is the best. He's basicly the Dio of real life.
Professional wrestling at its best.
Kevin Nash is the smartest wrestler of all time.
Because he realised wrestling was about getting paid, not about killing yourself by taking unprotected chair shots, doing diving headbutts every match, and seeing how many german suplexes you could do in a row. People knock Nash constantly, but in the end he got what wrestling should be a lot more than Chris 'hey, what happens if I suicide dive and take a full on chair shot to the face OW FUCK' Benoit did.
ETA - Also, Dragon Dragon IS pro wrestling.
Most entertaining match I've seen in a long time, lol.
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Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I never bought that the two big spots in this match were unplanned. The chair landing on Foley likely wasn't, but still.
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