Altered Juice
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Faker started competing in 2013.
i've seen some cringe worthy shit in my time but goddamn!
Is this guy who played Smash for a year the most dominant eSports player in history?
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i've seen some cringe worthy shit in my time but goddamn!
Did his avatar and tag give it away?
AngryNapkin
Banned
What about Dennis "Thresh" Fong?
It's like me going into a hockey thread and not recognizing any names because I don't like hockey.
5 pages later and the best the op can do is shit on a dude who got two words in the wrong order?
I think English is his second language so it was a low blow admittedly. But the thread is about discussing ESPORTS, not trading pot shots.
The OP has a very similar name to you and he seems really interested in talking about who's best at virtually punching others.
topkek
Small correction: it's Gonzalo.
Faker started competing in 2013.
I want to see what it would like if mang0 had one of these.
markwaters
Neo Member
He was super dominant in Doom, Quake 1 and QW, but it was only from like 96-98. It wasn't a long time.
He was amazing at those games, but he's been totally eclipsed by Toxic, Fatality and the like. But he won a god damn Ferrari, so whatever.
Im_So_Pringles
Member
Ehhhhhh, ZeRo is good and all, but it's still too early to try and say that he is one of the most dominant Esports players ever. We need a little more time. If he goes another year or two without losing, that would be pretty nuts considering the number of events he goes to.
Also, I wish Smash fans would quit trying to convince ignorant FGC members that Smash is a fighting game. Smash doesn't need that label. We don't need their approval anymore. Our grassroots events stand up (and are better) than the best they have to offer. EVO was a trash experience compared to The Big House 5 (I went to both). Smash's community puts too much work into creating our own identities and events to want to care about it anymore. We're getting into Dreamhack. We're having our own Summit now. We don't (and never really have) needed the FGC's approval. It's unhealthy to still go after that shit.
Smash Bros Melee is the best game ever made. "Is it a fighting game though?" Who gives a shit. It's Smash Bros. It's its own thing. It's own beautiful and amazing thing.
Also, I wish Smash fans would quit trying to convince ignorant FGC members that Smash is a fighting game. Smash doesn't need that label. We don't need their approval anymore. Our grassroots events stand up (and are better) than the best they have to offer. EVO was a trash experience compared to The Big House 5 (I went to both). Smash's community puts too much work into creating our own identities and events to want to care about it anymore. We're getting into Dreamhack. We're having our own Summit now. We don't (and never really have) needed the FGC's approval. It's unhealthy to still go after that shit.
Smash Bros Melee is the best game ever made. "Is it a fighting game though?" Who gives a shit. It's Smash Bros. It's its own thing. It's own beautiful and amazing thing.
bigmit3737
Member
What big were the tournaments he entered?
I know EVO was huge but besides that ?
Also, Smash is new so maybe players haven't figured out all the tricks.
It will be interertkng to see how he does next year?
I know EVO was huge but besides that ?
Also, Smash is new so maybe players haven't figured out all the tricks.
It will be interertkng to see how he does next year?
petran79
Banned
Daigo and other Japanese players also travel abroad much more often, which makes their effort even more difficult, considering they have to adapt to the foreign country and overcome jet lag.
Zero travelled to Japan too though the tournament he won was just a small exhibition tournament (Chiba). Too bad Nintendo do not want to organize a bigger tournament in Japan.
Mass Effect
Member
"Well, we don't consider Smash a fighting game, so we are dropping it from FGC majors and EVO."
"Well, since Smash isn't a fighting game, Smash discussion is not allowed in FGC threads."
You see how that would be a problem, right? Now, obviously, neither of these things would happen now, but remember, it's only just recently that Smash was (mostly) accepted into the FGC again. And still, it gets screwed with terrible time-slots and being separated from the rest of the fighting games (along with anime fighting games) at tournaments.
And really, most people that adamantly proclaim Smash isn't a fighting game are super insecure about "their" fighting game of choice and probably annoyed that it isn't as popular as Smash. That, or being obnoxious trolls. Either way, people should drop it already and just deal with it being a part of the FGC.
Orochinagis
Member
Dont worry Daigo, you will be my number 1 player in my heart
Shining Sunshine
Banned
So you're saying it's not a platformer or a multiplayer-centric game? There's a line up for people who are wrong in this thread.
Funny since that "cringe worthy shit" is what's propelling eSports to massive success this generation as Korean Starcraft started it all.
Do you cringe every time you see an athlete in a commercial or something? Sounds like you cringe at practically everything at that point.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Anyone mention the OGRE twins in Halo? They were pretty dominant for a long while.
Smash is designed to be a casual party game.
He's actually right. Sakurai hates competitive gaming, and he did not intend for Smash to be played the way it does. In fact, many of his decision choices are the antithesis to competitive play lol
Smash is designed to be a casual party game.
Poltergust
Member
This character exists, you know:
If this isn't a nod to competitive gamers (especially with the complicated way he plays that 99% of players will never be even remotely adept with), then I don't know what is.
Don't forget about all the Nintendo-sponsored tournaments that were held up until the game's release, plus online For Glory (which, admittedly, is a misrepresentation of the competitive side of Smash Bros.).
And Quake II really. It's not as long as some of the other mentions here, but as far as dominance goes (rather than just plain accomplishments) he was far more dominant than Fatal1ty or Toxic ever were. Fatal1ty whilst winning a LOT, was still getting his lunch eaten by numerous players over the years (not least ZeRo4), Thresh went years winning every tournament he competed in across multiple games, and retired with that run still intact.
Justin Wong is a far stronger mention than Fatal1ty imo.
SoraanTribal
Member
Smash 4 is my favorite one in the series. I was never really big into the previous games. I know people love Melee, but meh. Smash 4 is a lot more fun to play with friends imo. I'm not into the competitive scene that much though. I mean, I like watching tournaments, but not playing competitively.
On topic, I wish Nairo would overtake ZeRo. I have nothing against ZeRo, but yeah... time for Nairo to win!
Chopper Dave
Member
People use party for other genres that are multiplayer focused? Call of Duty is a party first person shooter? What is your definition of a platformer? Anything that involves jumping? Call of Duty is a party platformer now? Smash involves characters...uh physically assaulting(don't want to use the 5 letter F word) each other on as little as a single plain. That's your idea of a platformer?
Yes athletic sports use cringe worthy theatrics like this all the time. It can be especially dramatic and flashy and look hilariously stupid just as this is.
...And other tournaments along the way?
Sanctuary
Member
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
What does that matter? Do you really think he was losing a meaningful number of smaller tournaments if he won EVO four times in a row?
That's straight-up wrong. Since when does a "casual party game" release 4+ balance updates that were clearly influenced by the competitive metagame? Smash Bros. isn't meticulously balanced as a competitive game, but to say it's nothing but a casual party game is just being willfully ignorant.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Melee requires stupid amounts of execution to move your character around the screen.
Do you watch professional sports?
Ghost is Bad
Banned
entremet
Member
These discussions are always full of cringe. It's not that serious, people.
Thousands and millions of dollars on the line aren't serious? Must be nice being Bill Gates man.
entremet
Member
The fans, not the competitors lol.
But par for the course, even in real life sports too.
Let's look at how the WTA weighs its events to determine world rankings in tennis. Compare the points gained for winning a Grand Slam to winning a regional $10,000 tournament.
http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/howrankingswork.pdf
Grand Slam (five per year, highest level of competition): 2000 points
Major international event (32 per year): 280 points
$10,000 tournament: 12 points
Losing in the second round of preliminary qualifier pools at a Grand Slam gets you more points (20) than winning a $10k tournament outright (12).
How many weeklies equal an Evo? None.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Call of Duty is an FPS first. Shooting is the core mechanic and the camera defines the type of shooter gameplay.
If a Call of Duty has 4-player coop, it's a party game by definition. I wouldn't say Call of Duty is a platformer though. CoD levels aren't build with vertical in mind.
So for Smash, platform is the core mechanic, and, for myself, I started playing this game with four people. For me, it's a party game moreso than a competitive fighting game.
Chopper Dave said:
Well you must cringe at everything then if you think Nike and Adidas sports commercials are cringey. Man, don't even let me know what you think of Old Spice commercials, or scenes at Late Night shows.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
Isn't Sakurai himself pretty good at SFII as well? Like tournaments and stuff back in the day?This character exists, you know:
If this isn't a nod to competitive gamers (especially with the complicated way he plays that 99% of players will never be even remotely adept with), then I don't know what is.
Don't forget about all the Nintendo-sponsored tournaments that were held up until the game's release, plus online For Glory (which, admittedly, is a misrepresentation of the competitive side of Smash Bros.).
He made smash because he wanted to make a fighting game unlike others, not because he hated competitive.
Comparing Evo to the Grandslam is laughable. The two aren't in the same stratosphere.
A tournament that doesn't even have a Bo5 top 8 for either Smash game is nowhere near the highest level of competition
Your point about weeklies might be true, but you need to realize that some weeklies (primarily LA & Tristate) have 100+ entrants with top 20 level talent in the world attending, and other biweekly and monthlies have 200+ entrants with even more talent.
Smash isn't comparable to traditional eSports or even fighting games, the game has exploded in terms of popularity since 2013 and dwarfs all other fighting games bar Street Fighter.
Icyflamez96
Member
No... You mean they're party platforming a losing battle.
Aaronrules380
Member
Yep. And wasn't EVO much smaller back then? How many people actually entered the evos he won 4 in a row of? Because if it was around 500-600 or something like that, I feel like Zero has won more than 4 tournaments of that size this year
There's a difference between making a fighting game and making a competitive fighting game, which he has proven many times over. He's recently started to get better but I'd say his efforts have been pretty slim.
He has (Apex, CEO, Evo, Smashcon, TBH5). And almost all of them were Bo5 top 8-32. Except Evo of course.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Part of the inspiration for Smash Bros. is because he is still haunted by the guilt of bodying some couple in King of Fighters.