CaptainCook
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I don't know if I should wait for the gold ps4 I won to get this, or just snatch it up for Xbox one tomorrow...first world problems yo.
Fallout 4 - Reviews thread
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Beelzebufo
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It's how we know if the game is good or not.
So that 1 point difference is going to determine that?
Yeah, YouTube quality is way better from my experience.
Sales might determine that. It's the only thing that will.
Some things never change, and that applied to COD and Bethseda game engines. But at least with COD they put nearly 60fps performance ahead of everything else.
razgriz417
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word of warning, they also seemed to have compensated for this with more quicker mobs. Expect to be ambushed and bum rushed often.
Sorry, I didn't mean he gave it 4 stars, I meant I'm guessing it'll be a 4 star review. His review's not up yet.
Towards the end of the quick look he makes a point that the jank in Bethesda games is getting 'harder and harder to excuse', or something to that effect, which is why I see it getting 4 stars rather than 5. Either way the impressions sound overwhelmingly positive.
BenHargrove
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Ah, expected that much. I always play on higher difficulties so those bullet sponges are going to be frustrating.
Beelzebufo
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This is like the exact opposite of all the other reviews. They say the glitches keep it from being compelling, but everyone else says its compelling despite the glitches.
I'd hate to see what they have to say about Bloodbornes chromatic aberration/bad rag doll effects and the Witcher 3's initial framerate. Atmosphere ruined.
Zombie James
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fuzzyreactor
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For what it's worth, I remember he initially posted in his review that Until Dawn targets 60 fps and mostly holds it, despite the game notoriously having trouble holding its 30 fps framerate. So I'd say it's fair to say he's probably not the best source for this kind of stuff, but I could be wrong, I can't think of any other example of this happening, plus I love the guy's reviews and truly value his opinion.
It's ironic that one of the only reviews to really talk about logic and consistency of the world simulation, a very important aspect of role-playing games, comes from the the Huffington Post.
because adhering to logic does not always result in a fun playing game
Soltype
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This is why I'm skipping this game at launch, Bethesda's diluting these games way too much for my tastes.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Reviewers got that goty hypefluenza.
Beelzebufo
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You can't kill Ciri in the Witcher 3 D:
IcyRhythms
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"Listen, we don't really care about killing Dogmeat, but the pooch is the most obvious symptom of a major problem in the game. How can you become immersed in a world that isn't governed by consistent logic?"
There is no perfect game. Bethesda did what many asked them to do. People were whining and bitching up a storm when dogmeat died in Fallout 3.(I think this was fixed in the GOTY version)Is it silly that a dog can run around and attack enemies while on fire? Sure, but we could say the same for games like Max Payne 3, GTA V, TLoU, and many others where we can see CLEAR as day bullet holes in the body of the main character. There are few games that remain true to all things real life.
There is no perfect game. Bethesda did what many asked them to do. People were whining and bitching up a storm when dogmeat died in Fallout 3.(I think this was fixed in the GOTY version)Is it silly that a dog can run around and attack enemies while on fire? Sure, but we could say the same for games like Max Payne 3, GTA V, TLoU, and many others where we can see CLEAR as day bullet holes in the body of the main character. There are few games that remain true to all things real life.
You know who showed that you could attempt to be reasonably logically consistent, have some pretence of in-world-logic reflecting the design of the world? Obsidian.
Beelzebufo
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People also walked into tables in Fallout New Vegas. You also survive being shot in the face with no negative effects.
80s Bad Guy
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I was slightly disappointed that I could tell it was the old engine right away, but this thread makes me appreciate it more. As a vehicle for hours of scavenging through people's homes it looks pretty enough.
Hope the GiantBomb guys like it, it's a shame Witcher 3 didn't really click with any of them.
Hope the GiantBomb guys like it, it's a shame Witcher 3 didn't really click with any of them.
tell that to the kids
This isn't about buggy path finding systems; if it were, everybody would be damned by janky systems.
Beelzebufo
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They specifically mention a guy walking into tables and stuff like that in the article though, so it kinda is. You also survive getting shot in the face with no negative effects.
BoosterDuck
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I walk into tables all the time, and Benny obviously shot him with a surplus bullet.
Beelzebufo
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This is right, but to be fair I also don't kill dogs all the time.
I'm not talking about the specifics of the article, though those elements certainly are a hindrance to what many people consider the stated objectives of the Bethesda design.
Rather, I consider Bethesda inferior at building worlds based on things greater than the superficial "it looks cool". So I agree that there is a lack of consistency here, but the fact that the dog is unkillable is the least of their issues.
vpance
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That can't be the only reason. Gamers just love the Beth games formula on a base level. It's that loot addiction hoarder angle I think.
Dash Kappei
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Do you seriously believe what you're saying?
The machines performing out of average with such severity as to have an impact on a game's framerate before even beginning to display video artifacts/gpu glitches (and thus being clearly identifiable as broken) are such a minuscule percentage of the whole installed base to be an insignificant statistic, not exactly the opposite like you're suggesting here. Source: every console with every game ever, over 30+ years of consumer hardware's history.
Man, the mental gymnastic to reach the peace of mind is sometimes astounding in here, and it's always in review threads where it gets worse, what's with reviews that brings so much blindness/craziness out of people?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/OPZXkdD1RwQ?rel=0&showinfo=0
Of course that test is not to be trusted according to JaeCryo or if you happen to own one of Jim's magical PS4 (I'm joking here but I take issue with his "I didn't encounter" phrasing instead of saying "I didn't notice" which would be perfectly justified even if it would've lessen a bit my opinion of him as a trustable reviewer of tech products like, gasp, videogames.
RichiRamjag
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This is one of my issues. I feel like I am pulled from my immersion due to the various quirks that arise in gameplay. I know I'm going to have a damn good time playing, but that has always bothered me.
Not a dealbreaker by any means though. I love what Bethesda does, I think I'd like just a tad more polish. But I get my copy tomorrow so I'll hold off on any judgements until then.
Officerrob
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He said a segment towards the end of the game on PS4 was "framerate city", running in the single digits for fps. Said the technical issues were "insane", and that the framerate gets so bad that it's hard to shoot things.
SpaceHorror
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Holy shit this thread got venomous lol.
Also, HuffPost? Really?
Also, HuffPost? Really?
Because if there's anything we can trust reviewers to comment on, it's chromatic abberation.
RichiRamjag
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You read it? The title was obvious clickbait and unecessary, but the content of the article was actually interesting and brought some concerns I've had with Bethesda games for some time. I'm surprised it took huffpost of all places to touch on such a topic. I don't agree with everything said, but it was worth a read.
Moon_frogger
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reviewers need to be aware of this shit and tell us. Skyrim was broken on ps3. horribly, horribly broken. I know people say 'slideshow' to describe minor frame drops but skryim about 10 to 20 hours in was literally an unplayable slideshow in certain areas. I don't remember a single review catching this. I'm guessing most of them played the 360 or pc versions but what the fuck. I want to know if a game has terrible framerate issues or hardlocks, causing me to lose hours of progress. Maybe that doesn't matter to some of you but it's a dealbreaker for me.
Skyrim was reviewed on the 360 version.
DeepEnigma
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Then it is dishonest to pass the score and writen review on to the PS3 version without even playing it now isn't it? Considering the issues it had.
I remember early on in the PS360 era, reviews were separate and mentioned differences, scores reflected that, the PS2 Era even more so...
Now it's a lazy disingenuous same score paste, even if one version has more issues than the other.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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(From the ElderGeek review)
That is awesome.
That is true, but issues like the above do break the immersion. It makes you realize that this isn't a world you're exploring but a toy, which betrays its own logic to erect towers of convenience and defend against anything bad happening to the player in the game. It just feels like a more immature experience.
Psychoward
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Non-hardcore mode the companions don't die though and it's by far my biggest gripe of hardcore mode that they can die. There are tons of complaints that can be thrown at FO4 but dogmeat not taking friendly fire isn't one of them.
I mean, Bethesda sent out 360 copies, the content wouldn't be any different. We have moved past multiple reviews for the same game for different platforms because things like it being completely broken didn't typically happen, and to be honest most of those review were copy and pasted with maybe a fee sentences of platform specific information. I suppose things like Skyrim are why we are seeing more of these technical things from DF and other people who look at performance of each version.
RichiRamjag
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Oh yeah, it went from attacks on the author, to the typical "you're playing it wrong". Good lord...
Bless DF.