I'm sorry it was bad. It really was.
How Microsoft plans to make Xbox great again [The Verge]
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I'm sorry it was bad. It really was.
SlaughterX
Banned
This. Microsoft fixed most of the complaints about the console before it even launched and the exclusive library has always been better than the PS4, it's just not the best console for multiplatform games and it probably never will be. Still, it can and should always get better and I'm all for continuous improvement.
Tyreese Victoria
Banned
We can account for digital sales through reasonable estimation.
Halo 3 sold about 13 million copies, so if you can post some data which shows that Halo 5 is reasonably projected to push lets say...11 million (we'll generously leave 2 million for digital sales), then I'll change my perspective.
SomedayTheFire
Member
Yep I like Chris, but this is straight up wrong. As are other "facts" he lays out in this piece.
Unless you're literally staring at the console whist playing does it really matter?
The machine looks fine, but more importantly it actually runs as promised, whisper quiet. No matter the game I'm playing the thing is ridiculously quiet.
As someone who liked to game at night that meant a lot.
Only reason ODST launched at full price was Microsoft insisting on the $60 price tag so Bungie included the full Halo 3 MP suite.
ODST was announced as a $40 expansion pack. I like ODST but calling it a mainline game is disingenuous at best.
Do you know how many friends and family I lost because they came over and saw the terrible design of the XBox One?
Seriously though yeah it's fine. It's not a sports car where the reason for it is the design, it's to play a game where you look at a screen.
That brings me to the topic of what console is more powerful. If you are so caught up on what system plays games at a higher fps or resolution then you are missing the point of being a gamer. Enjoy games as games. If you care about the highest of the highest settings get a PC.
Krystopher McConnor
Banned
I think you're seriously underestimating digital sales. I don't have single friend who still buys retail games. Also, I think you already know Microsoft didn't release the number of sold copies.
Yet again, $400 against $300, don't see why you need any more persuading.
Birgitte2004
Member
People really need to stop saying this like its an objective fact.
Objective facts are, PS4 has more console exclusives, and better rated console exclusives.
It's perfectly ok to prefer the exclusive library of the Xbox One to that of the PS4. It's not ok to post it as if it was something everyone should agree with just because you do.
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
You got PR spun son.
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
Banned
... but.... Kotaku already said it was better.
hmmm.
who to believe, Kotaku or Verge.... hopefully an Ars graph clarifies the situation.
hmmm.
who to believe, Kotaku or Verge.... hopefully an Ars graph clarifies the situation.
The last years of Xbox 360 sells was boosted thanks to Kinect & lots of people use their consoles to watch Netflix so it wasn't completely of base.
Tyreese Victoria
Banned
Yeah, some people hear like to pretend kinect wasn't successful for the 360. What microsoft should have done was wait to drop kinect again later in the X1's life span.
Somewhere a long the lines someone in management fucked up. They must have been seeing numbers that convinced them of their strategy, that or some over zealous execs put their foot down.
I'm looking at you Mattrick
Dyson Industries
Banned
You're aware that the Halo 5 number actually includes hardware bundle sales, where as Halo 3 does not? This deliberate PR obfuscation is part and parcel of the Xbox problem, and will continue to be so as long as they hide numbers and fall behind farther and farther.
The decline is clear.
Sloane_Ranger
Member
Adding as well.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Some interesting points, but, this stood out to me:
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I figure if you know about Black Tusk, then you already know that they collectively agreed to take on Gears. Unless you just assume they're lying for some reason.
Green Yoshi
Member
In April 2008 Grand Theft Auto IV was released and Microsoft had an exclusive marketing deal (and the superior version). So I assume Quantum Break won't sell as many consoles as GTA IV did.
Ftfy. I'm seeing this everywhere like it's some sort of accepted fact.
RedAssedApe
Banned
make america great again
did kotaku and verge purposely time these articles lol
did kotaku and verge purposely time these articles lol
Fahzgoolin
Banned
The OG Xbox was great.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Ignoring the predictable shit posts in here that was a really good read.
They do seem to be battening down the hatches and getting more focussed on what made the 360 such a hit. Giving us gamers what we want.
Its going to be a really interesting couple of years ahead for the Xbox team, only people who are going to win are us, the gamers
They do seem to be battening down the hatches and getting more focussed on what made the 360 such a hit. Giving us gamers what we want.
Its going to be a really interesting couple of years ahead for the Xbox team, only people who are going to win are us, the gamers
I love Halo and play nearly nightly. The exclusive games aren't the issue to me. The issue is nearly every game performing shittier on a platform that no longer is head and shoulders above the competition in feature set. The issue is indie developers treating their platform like a red headed step child. It's sad to say but all MS can do is fund more exclusives because third party and indie games are lost at this point.
Not really, Kinect died on its arse on 360 after a while and it was clear that devs had exhausted any functional game ideas and nothing was going to change with a marginal hardware improvement. Kinect 2.0 was less about the games and more about advertising to Microsoft. Also, any sane person would know it's complete rubbish for UI motion control and who needs a 100 plus quid device for voice and video. All signs during 360 pointed to don't bother with Kinect, it's time had passed and unless you come out with a leap and perfection. it was dead on arrival and a waste of money. Send it back to Microsoft Research for a decade.
As for media streaming, what a waste. 360 was a bit clunky and slow but they were so beyond anyone else on the market for content streaming and channels. The future was already in place and they went to bloody cable TV, absolutely mind boggling. Xbox One should have been the King of media streaming apps.
NullPointer
Member
Microsoft also forgot another thing - namely, everything they got right with the 360. In theory the Xbox One might have looked like a great successor, but in practice the PS4 is the improvement on everything fans loved about the Xbox 360. And even the new and improved Xbox One UI still needs a lot of work. This isn't console wars stuff - the PS4 is great specifically because of its 360 inspiration.
So, games yes, but MS still needs to get that overall simplicity and seamlessness back.
In a nutshell the mistake they've made is to assume they'd keep their existing audience while being able to put their primary focus on striking out in new directions. That's not how it works, and last gen Xbox gamers can't be blamed for feeling left behind in the rush towards Live TV and the promise of always-online-required aspects of the cloud.
I'm not at all sure MS has learned the right lessons from the Xbox One disaster yet.
rokkerkory
Member
Next xbox better be the most powerful console on the planet otherwise no buy.
Ignoring the predictable shit posts in here that was a really good read.
They do seem to be battening down the hatches and getting more focussed on what made the 360 such a hit. Giving us gamers what we want.
Its going to be a really interesting couple of years ahead for the Xbox team, only people who are going to win are us, the gamers
They still have to some how get Europeans to buy Xbox's if they can't then the same thing will happen again.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Oh, I agree with that completely. Like I said, it's going to be an interesting few years ahead to see how they do try to combat the overwhelming positive mindshare that Sony have with the PS4.
All they need to do is get Playground to make the next PGR, that'll get a few more Europeans on board
NumberThree
Member
They could start by trying to understand the difference between language and country.
paragonpro
Banned
Really. Its a box, if youre that concerned about sales or whose exclusives are more hardcore/popular/better selling and the miniscule power difference, just buy both. The xbone IS a great system now and I think peoples hard stances against it are a bit rediculous. Both consoles this year had fantastic games but I think microsoft pulled ahead by a bit. Phil spencer has been doing wonders.
And the $400 included hardware, and wasn't just the game.
Does it hurt your feelings?
We can have a group hug if you need one.
$1600 Surfacebox.
Bear Force One
Banned
...creepy.
I personally think he has the most naturally punchable face. It's like a gravity well for smacks.
I do agree that the system is great at playing games and doing media and social stuff. It's woefully underpowered though. Last gen the media here and most gamers played 360 because of the feature set and minor performance benefits for most multiplatform games. Now that Sony isn't completely inadequate in that department, it's harder to buy a game running at 720p in 2015. That's absolutely absurd.
This is umm... Maybe some one should warn Phil..
rokkerkory
Member
If Xbox is going to be saved locking down the next big IP isn't going to be enough. You can already play Destiny/Call of Duty/Minecraft on it.
What Microsoft really needs to do is abandon its myopic focus on the US. Sony's console success is largely due their tri-continental appeal. MS needs to win the hearts and minds of gamers in Europe and Asia. Right now, they aren't.
What Microsoft really needs to do is abandon its myopic focus on the US. Sony's console success is largely due their tri-continental appeal. MS needs to win the hearts and minds of gamers in Europe and Asia. Right now, they aren't.
Ol No Bones
Banned
You couldn't hurt him even if you wanted to. Phil is unnaturally strong.
Bear Force One
Banned
He has the look of a sweater wearing Zima drinking field hockey player who's dad bought him a corvette in high school.
SEGAvangelist
Member
You could tell from the ALS challenge video. Dude looked beast mode.