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Starting to get itchy feet re purchasing a new tv. OLED sounds great and all but still pricey.

Some of the LCD sets look fantastic. Plus maturity of the tech appeals to me. Also input lag.

Honestly dont know what to do. I'm thinking that once the dust settles on UHD and HDR standards, I'll bite the bullet.

Also, currently running a 7yo panny plasma. Model number escapes me. Old enough not to be able to find any lag info on it. So, almost anything is a major step up from what I have now, judging by what I see at the local electronics stores.

Any advice?
 
farmerboy said:
Starting to get itchy feet re purchasing a new tv. OLED sounds great and all but still pricey.

Some of the LCD sets look fantastic. Plus maturity of the tech appeals to me. Also input lag.

Honestly dont know what to do. I'm thinking that once the dust settles on UHD and HDR standards, I'll bite the bullet.

Also, currently running a 7yo panny plasma. Model number escapes me. Old enough not to be able to find any lag info on it. So, almost anything is a major step up from what I have now, judging by what I see at the local electronics stores.

Any advice?
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Think about what you're willing to spend. Your budget dictates what tier of TV you should be considering. My last TV was a 7-8 year old Panasonic plasma, and the new quality tvs available today are a significant improvement.

There is a lot of talk about HDR/UHD standards, but (and this is where people may disagree with me) realistically I can't see any of it becoming significantly important for a good number of years. There is quite a bit of 4k content available via streaming, so I'd definitely say go 4k at this point, but worrying too much about what is/isn't HDR/UHD certified seems premature. By the time the dust has settled I'll be 5 years older and looking to get an OLED.
 
That long?! I thought we were pretty close to settling on certain standards.

Yeah, its a bit funny listening to all the criticisms (however small) leveled at certain tech or sets. Some of us would be happy with a lot of the new sets. They all look amazing.
 
I haven't been able to find it, but the EC930v doesn't have Bluetooth support, right? Cause I want to use my wireless headphones at night while watching a movie on the TV. It's either that or I need to buy a long ass cable that goes from the headphones to the TV.
 
farmerboy said:
Yeah, its a bit funny listening to all the criticisms (however small) leveled at certain tech or sets. Some of us would be happy with a lot of the new sets. They all look amazing.
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See, you think that, but when you have to leave your nice high quality TV for a week, and go visit relatives who have door buster sales TVs, you reaaaaaaaally wonder how people put up with that shit.
 
Dewoh said:
Think about what you're willing to spend. Your budget dictates what tier of TV you should be considering. My last TV was a 7-8 year old Panasonic plasma, and the new quality tvs available today are a significant improvement.

There is a lot of talk about HDR/UHD standards, but (and this is where people may disagree with me) realistically I can't see any of it becoming significantly important for a good number of years. There is quite a bit of 4k content available via streaming, so I'd definitely say go 4k at this point, but worrying too much about what is/isn't HDR/UHD certified seems premature. By the time the dust has settled I'll be 5 years older and looking to get an OLED.
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I agree with not worrying about the HDR standards. If it's in your budget though I strongly recommend getting a 10-bit panel that's capable of displaying some form of HDR content. There's already some HDR content out there available through streaming and downloading and it's only going to increase with the standards being officially set.
 
I agree with both of them too, and I think it really does first come down to budget to narrow down the models you're looking at.

Having had to buy a TV this year with mine completely dying, I wouldn't kill myself worrying about it but if it's already in your price range it seems like a good idea or to atleast get a model that supports it somewhat. Most importantly if you find a 4K TV that you like, with 4K blu-rays/players now really pretty close in addition to Netflix and Amazon already being available I think it's worth going 4K now.

Since I have the X850C, even if it'll probably only give me a marginal benefit compared to the ones that truly meet the specs I'm glad they added support for it to several of these other 2015 Bravia's beyond just that top model. The Life of Pi test video going around a while back looked quite good on it.

TronLight said:
Even in perfect darkness?

I like the idea of the giant screen (say 100") but I value image quality too.
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On the better mid-range projectors you will reportedly get quite good blacks in good darkness. Like the Sony 55ES (or 40ES, cheaper since it's without the dynamic iris) and the Epson 5030 that seem to usually be put up against each other.

With the budget projectors you have more compromises usually on how good the blacks get, but like you said, given the size you get if the picture is still good it can look amazing. I got one of the better all-around budget ones to mess around and watch stuff with, the now older BenQ 1080ST (since it was the same as the equally well-received 1070 but short-throw).

Atleast based on the reviews and comparisons sites.
 
tmdorsey said:
Great minds think alike! Where you been at man?? You are missed in the NFL thread.
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I've been lurking. Life keeps finding different ways of kicking me in the balls. I'm hopeful that I'll catch a break soon.

The good news, just watched The Martian in UHD/HDR and it was fantastic. Going from that to my local Fox on Directv was jarring to say the least. Lol
 
storybook77 said:
I've been lurking. Life keeps finding different ways of kicking me in the balls. I'm hopeful that I'll catch a break soon.

The good news, just watched The Martian in UHD/HDR and it was fantastic. Going from that to my local Fox on Directv was jarring to say the least. Lol
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I've read that The Martian looks good in UHD/HDR. How did you go about viewing it?
 
Sorry for reposting this, but the sale is ending on Sunday.

So I've been eyeing Samsung UE55JU7005XXE (which I believe is the Nordic version of JU7100). It costs a bit under 1500€
Now our local retailer sells Sony 55X8505CBAE (which I believe is Nordic version of X850C) for 999€. Normally it is 1299€

The differences I know are, that the Sony one is 100hz vs Samsung's 200hz. Also Sony one has slightly worse input lag (35ms vs 26ms IIRC). Is there any other major differences?

Would I be happy with the Sony, or should I wait for the Samsung one to drop down in price?
For the record, my old TV is 2008 LG, so any new TV will be a major improvement :)
 
How do console games look on 4k monitors? I play my PS4 a lot, and it's the only reason I haven't upgraded to a 4k monitor is because I like playing games on their native resolution. I really don't want to lose the sharpness that I get by play 1080p games on at 1080p display.


I use a switchers for my PC monitor and gaming consoles.
 
Jyrii said:
Sorry for reposting this, but the sale is ending on Sunday.

So I've been eyeing Samsung UE55JU7005XXE (which I believe is the Nordic version of JU7100). It costs a bit under 1500€
Now our local retailer sells Sony 55X8505CBAE (which I believe is Nordic version of X850C) for 999€. Normally it is 1299€

The differences I know are, that the Sony one is 100hz vs Samsung's 200hz. Also Sony one has slightly worse input lag (35ms vs 26ms IIRC). Is there any other major differences?

Would I be happy with the Sony, or should I wait for the Samsung one to drop down in price?
For the record, my old TV is 2008 LG, so any new TV will be a major improvement :)
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If it is indeed the Nordic version of the JU7100, it's actually back-lit. Weird that they would call it 7005, though, and not 7105 or something.

Anyways, have you checked out their reviews on Rtings? Might give you a better idea of which one you should opt for.

Samsung JU7100 review.

Sony X850C review.


HappehLemons said:
How do console games look on 4k monitors? I play my PS4 a lot, and it's the only reason I haven't upgraded to a 4k monitor is because I like playing games on their native resolution. I really don't want to lose the sharpness that I get by play 1080p games on at 1080p display.


I use a switchers for my PC monitor and gaming consoles.
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Not really sure regarding monitors, but if it's the same as TVs, it all comes down to the upscaling quality of the particular model. Some are bad, while others are very good. E.g. upscaling on Samsung 4k TVs are great, and you don't lose sharpness.

Others might be able to help you more, though.
 
julrik said:
If it is indeed the Nordic version of the JU7100, it's actually back-lit. Weird that they would call it 7005, though, and not 7105 or something.

Anyways, have you checked out their reviews on Rtings? Might give you a better idea of which one you should opt for.

Samsung JU7100 review.

Sony X850C review.
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Yeah I have read the Rtings reviews and also this comparison:
http://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/hdtv/best-4k-tv-shootout-compare.html

I think I might have to go with the Sony one, as it is that much cheaper.
 
Does anyone know the best place to get hold of a VIZIO M60-C3 in Vancouver, or wider Canada?

Nowhere I've looked seems to have any. How long is the usual restock period for Amazon and Best Buy? The TV has been sold out on their sites since Boxing Day.
 
If you have a light controlled room, with that $3000 budget, you can pick up quite a nice front projector. I'd head over to the AVS forms and read up a bit. I current own a JVC DLA-X55R, and the black levels are excellent and the colors pop.

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Dewoh said:
I had a projector for a while. Never again.

Yes, you get a giant ass image. But at the cost of everything else. I found it a pain in the ass having to always keep the room perfectly dark to get a good image, and even then the blacks were never black, they were clearly grey. Not to mention how washed out the colors are when compared to a "real" television.

Plus you really need to dedicate a room for a projector. Make sure you have ample throw room and can control the light sources. And you're always worried about bulb consumption.

I hate projectors.
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And which projector were you running?
 
Mattlikewhoa said:
And which projector were you running?
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I can't remember the exact model number, it was a mitsubishi 1080p, but must have been like 6 years ago. So I'll admit that projector tech might have improved since then, and I'm no longer knowledgable on the subject. But my experience was terrible. After testing a couple I quickly sold them off and got a plasma.

Are home projectors better than the ones they use in movie theaters? I HATE going to the theater because the picture quality is garbage. While watching the new Star Wars I couldn't help think just how shit the blacks were (I'll be nice and say they were a dark grey) and how dim the colors were. No pop at all. When I rewatch it at home it'll finally get the deserved viewing it deserves.
 
Dewoh said:
I can't remember the exact model number, it was a mitsubishi 1080p, but must have been like 6 years ago. So I'll admit that projector tech might have improved since then, and I'm no longer knowledgable on the subject. But my experience was terrible. After testing a couple I quickly sold them off and got a plasma.

Are home projectors better than the ones they use in movie theaters? I HATE going to the theater because the picture quality is garbage. While watching the new Star Wars I couldn't help think just how shit the blacks were (I'll be nice and say they were a dark grey) and how dim the colors were. No pop at all. When I rewatch it at home it'll finally get the deserved viewing it deserves.
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Should have saw it in a Dolby Cinema like me. ;)
 
Texas Instruments announced a new 4K DLP chip. It's a single chip design geared towards entry level projectors. Should help people looking to buy a 4K projector on the cheap next year.
 
TronLight said:
A good review site for projectors?

As a general idea, how much should one spend for a good projector? Looking around I see that the "usual" budget is around 3000€.

And (still in general) do you usually get a better deal for your money going for a 3000€ projector instead of a 3000$ tv? Beside size of course and audio (which I don't need on the tv anyway).
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Projector Reviews and Projector Central seemed like knowledgeable sources for all things related to projectors when I was looking into one of those. HDTVTest has also reviewed projectors on occasion.

I was all about that Sony when I was looking to purchase one (HW50ES), but I gave up on it because I had no way of making it work with the room it was going to be sitting in. That, and not having a chance to demo any of those sets plus the price of an actual screen (which seemed to require some amount of researching, too) also factored into me burying the idea of getting one in the end.


At a glance, seems Sony is still killing it, and HW65ES latest iteration of what I was previously drooling over.
 
So this is my first time trying to play games from my PC on my TV while going through my new receiver (Denon X1200W). Despite working perfectly on my monitor, game framerate gets totally messed up when using my TV (receiver) as the primary display . Any settings I need to change or something?
 
Schryver said:
So this is my first time trying to play games from my PC on my TV while going through my new receiver (Denon X1200W). Despite working perfectly on my monitor, game framerate gets totally messed up when using my TV (receiver) as the primary display . Any settings I need to change or something?
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If you haven't done so already, try and disable your AVR's on-screen display, and set the receiver to game mode. That will pass the video through to the TV without processing, and your frame rate should remain unaffected. Now, I'd also recommend that you set the receiver to be the primary, and only display your PC is allowed to use whenever the AVR is powered on. I've had strange performance issues, and even crashes while using some receivers and extending and/or duplicating my desktop to a second monitor in my control room, so that might be what you're experiencing. Good luck!
 
That's expensive.
I'll have to wait for a price drop. I probably will anyway. But it would be awesome if it finally does end up being the TV I've been waiting for.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
Let me know how it goes. The JS9000 is the model I'm looking to get when prices come down.
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If you're willing to chance it, TigerDirect is actually selling the UN65JS9000 for $2398.39 right now. The only risk is because TigerDirect is going out of business, they're having a clearance sale so there will not be any returns. Still, the UN65JS9000 for that much? If I wasn't fucking broke, I'd buy it :(

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9635437&Sku=UAM-102874360
 
Makes you wonder what the B model will cost.
I'm curious as to if UHD Blu-rays will include 3D versions if those were shown in the Cinema. Or how does that even work?
 
MrJames said:
Texas Instruments announced a new 4K DLP chip. It's a single chip design geared towards entry level projectors. Should help people looking to buy a 4K projector on the cheap next year.
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Oh cool. Will have to keep an eye on this over time. Hopefully that will start to get them coming down.
 
Yaari said:
Makes you wonder what the B model will cost.
I'm curious as to if UHD Blu-rays will include 3D versions if those were shown in the Cinema. Or how does that even work?
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Right now they don't. Won't be too hard to implement though, just using Top/Bottom encoding.
 
OLED (LG) had the best showing at CES free. So happy this tech is really picking up steam.

I'll be upgrading from my 60" Kuro 9G once i can buy 60" inch set with none of the problems of last years model and sub 20ms input lag, and amazing motion res. I predict by 2017 we will see as close to the most perfect digital display people have dreamed of since the launch of the HDTV age.
 
Hey fellow GAFers i am looking for some advice.

Am looking to spend around €1800 tops on a TV that's about 47-48 inches, i don't really want or need to go any bigger.

Is UHD of any use at this size or would it be better to look at a more premium Full HD tv?

I will also be playing games on it but it won't be the main purpose of the tv.

Any advice or recommendations would be much appreciated!
 
Brohan said:
Hey fellow GAFers i am looking for some advice.

Am looking to spend around €1800 tops on a TV that's about 47-48 inches, i don't really want or need to go any bigger.

Is UHD of any use at this size or would it be better to look at a more premium Full HD tv?

I will also be playing games on it but it won't be the main purpose of the tv.

Any advice or recommendations would be much appreciated!
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Skip FHD from now on I'd say and wow that's a pretty high budget for such a small TV. I'd suggest Samsung UEJU7500 series (at least I think that's what it's called for Europe).

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue48ju7500-201504074038.htm

Here's the American equivalent http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TWFHFF2/?tag=neogaf0e-20


If you're willing to shell out a few more bucks the 9000 is an overall better TV

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TS76VOK/?tag=neogaf0e-20


Prices might come down in a few months since Samsung's just announced at CES TVs will launch in the near future
 
Jigolo said:
Skip FHD from now on I'd say and wow that's a pretty high budget for such a small TV. I'd suggest Samsung UEJU7500 series (at least I think that's what it's called for Europe).

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue48ju7500-201504074038.htm

Here's the American equivalent http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TWFHFF2/?tag=neogaf0e-20


If you're willing to shell out a few more bucks the 9000 is an overall better TV

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TS76VOK/?tag=neogaf0e-20


Prices might come down in a few months since Samsung's just announced at CES TVs will launch in the near future
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Thx for the recommendations, it's much appreciated.

I really thought the general consensus was that 4k was only useful on screens larger than 55 inch but tbh i can't remember where i read that.

Looked at the ju7500 and it seems like a sweet TV but i'll be missing out on HDR.. how big of a deal is that?
 
Yaari said:
Makes you wonder what the B model will cost.
I'm curious as to if UHD Blu-rays will include 3D versions if those were shown in the Cinema. Or how does that even work?
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3D isn't supported with UHD except for at 1080p. Studios could potentially include a 3D 1080p version in their 4K combo bundles but nothing has been announced.

Exentryk said:
Damn, those are expensive. The prices on these really need to come down.

Wasn't Samsung planning to join the OLED race in 2017 for TVs? We might get some good deals then perhaps?
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Samsung stated at CES at they were not going to make a large investment in OLED but another more recent article says that they are finalizing investment plans for large-size OLED panel production equipment for 2016 before the end of the first quarter.

LG announce late last year that they were investing $8.7 billion to build another OLED plant. Production should be ready by mid 2018. They'll be building displays for large televisions and flexible panels for smart watches and automotive displays.

Midas said:
Will those new LG OLEDs be curved?
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The G,E and B series are flat. The C series offered at 55" and 65" are curved. Demand for flat has been much stronger so that is what LG is mostly going with in 2016.
 
I've heard that 1080p looks fine upscaled to 4k because of the 1:4 scaling, but how does 720p look? (for example, running a ps3 game)
Better or worse than on a 1080p tv?
 
A local thrift store has a Panny TH-58PZ800U plasma for $450 in seemingly good condition. Thoughts?

I think it's too risky. The movie they had running looked okay but you couldn't be sure there was no burn- in unless you took it home and being a thrift store there are no returns. Anybody know the input lag on those models?
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
A local thrift store has a Panny TH-58PZ800U plasma for $450 in seemingly good condition. Thoughts?

I think it's too risky. The movie they had running looked okay but you couldn't be sure there was no burn- in unless you took it home and being a thrift store there are no returns. Anybody know the input lag on those models?
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Yup, sounds a bit risky, especially since you can't return it.

I'll let you know how the JS9000 is in a couple of days, coming from a Kuro LX5090, and having an OLED for the past month.
 
julrik said:
Yup, sounds a bit risky, especially since you can't return it.

I'll let you know how the JS9000 is in a couple of days, coming from a Kuro LX5090, and having an OLED for the past month.
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I had my EF9500 OLED and JS9000 running side by side and the latter just looked so washed out in comparison with trailing on motion. EF9500 is leagues ahead IMO and a big step up from my VT65 plasma.
 
pswii60 said:
I had my EF9500 OLED and JS9000 running side by side and the latter just looked so washed out in comparison with trailing on motion. EF9500 is leagues ahead IMO and a big step up from my VT65 plasma.
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Your JS9000 might've been a bad one. It shouldn't have any trailing in motion, and it shouldn't look washed out either. I had an EG910/9100, and while it obviously had great black levels, everything else wasn't up to par at all IMO. Haven't owned the EF9500, though.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
A local thrift store has a Panny TH-58PZ800U plasma for $450 in seemingly good condition. Thoughts?

I think it's too risky. The movie they had running looked okay but you couldn't be sure there was no burn- in unless you took it home and being a thrift store there are no returns. Anybody know the input lag on those models?
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It's a 9 year old television...
 
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