Batman v Superman - New Clip
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Batman 89 is the goat. No ridiculous gravel voice, just quiet menace.
I think your analysis misses the mark because of your assumed intention. You want Superman to act "authoritative and sneering" but this isn't Knightmare Supes... this is legit Supes... who doesn't deal in threats, doesn't fight crime, and ever since Zod doesn't deal with villains (for fear of fighting / killing them). He just rescues and responds to disasters... not human evil.
This isn't Cavill bad at acting. This is Cavill as Superman bad at acting.
He's clearly uncomfortable with but yet feels obligated to deliver this message threat, but it's out of his wheelhouse. In MOS he didn't stand up to bullies directly and didn't make threats. This isn't rescuing grateful citizens or stopping an unquestionable monster. This is a chore he's never taken on before and has no intention of taking on (until BvS makes him someone who tackles human-sourced villainy). This isn't something he relishes or has some deep passion about.
Basically, this is homework that something in the story is making him do. "Listless and detached" is perfect for that.
evil solrac v3.0
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yeah I'm not a fan either and I hate Uber god Bats but I think by the end of the movie once Wonder Woman comes into the picture he will seem to be on board and more relaxed. or at least relaxed for Batman. at least that's the impression I got from the last trailer.
Well too bad, that's exactly the Batman I want to see.
It's time for it.
I mean, that's perfectly fair. There is no 'wrong' batman. But of all possible Batman personalities, it's by far my least favorite.
Yeah, I hope that's the case too, but I'm worried they're going to make WW an angry personality as well. If they're already taking cues from miller on Batman, I hope to god they refrain from doing so with WW.
Bobby Roberts
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No, I don't think it "misses the mark" at all. So far as assumptions go, assuming his characterization at this point in the film wouldn't allow for him to be forcefully authoritative seems to be really generous, especially since we know thanks to the other marketing materials that the reason Batman is crashed there is because he dropped down in front of the car and kicked it into a building before ripping the doors off and mean-mugging him. Now maybe it's some sort of meta thing like you're suggesting, that he's legitimately bad at being a badass so that's why it plays terribly, but I don't understand why anyone would glean that, much less glean it so clearly that they could call out other, simpler interpretations.
(also why would Zack Snyder bring a clip that needs that context to work to Conan and show it without said context? It makes way more sense that the straightforward interpretation is the intended one, hence why it was chosen to show to TV audiences)
It's not an unfair reading I'm giving, and I don't think it "misses the mark" at all. I won't know for sure until the film itself is playing in front of me, because as I said, we're seeing a single scene out of context. But by that token, you can't flat out call my interpretation of why his shitty line reading is shitty "wrong" because you're also missing the full context that I am.
BadAss2961
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Well i'm sure he'll switch tones as the universe builds. He'll have to bring his cool head and detective game to the League. But where they're going with this story calls for the goddamn Batman.
Weak clip, but at this point I'm not expecting much from the film (not that I had high hopes to begin with). I'm sure it'll be a senseless story with some cool action at least.
+1 Even as a fan of TDKR
Led_Zeppelin
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Well too bad, that's exactly the Batman I want to see.
It's time for it.
I agree with this sentiment, but my problem started with all the trailers and teasers. Zack Snyder is not really the director to put behind this project, god knows what WB is smoking to allow him to do such a thing. I just hope Affleck gets to direct his own Batman movie maybe around the killing joke but since DC has a hard on to build their own cinematic universe I doubt he will ever get the chance to do something meaningful with the character anyway.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I liked Batman's lines more when they were out of context. I remember someone bringing up the comparison that it makes Batman look like a child talking behind his father's back, saying the "You will..." after Superman has flown off. Now that we actually have the scene it occurs in, that's exactly what it felt like to me.
With all the garbage that is making a ton of money nowadays, you really think a film with Batman in the title will bomb?
I do. It's only off if you assume it's supposed to be authoritative and sneering, but that's never been his MO in-story or in-mythos. Frankly, that's really uncharacteristic and an odd assumption or expectation outside of Knightmare Supes. So it entirely misses it mark.
I'm not denying Supes is delivering a threat. However, it's missing the mark to assume he's supposed to want to do it. That it's supposed to be authoritative in delivery. Supes rarely delivers threats in any mythos. There's a big Nu52 stink about him doing it as a last resort on public television because his friends are being targeted and he's desperate to do anything to dissuade his enemies while depowered, because it's something Superman doesn't do.
Especially with what we know about THIS Supes being a relative rookie and pacifist, you'd be a bad director if you told him to be sneering and authoritative... that's missing the mark. We have more context to suggest he's a reluctant participant than one who's "sneering". From marketing alone we have him asking the Bat to stay down. I'd say your expected performance is reaching more than to expect someone who isn't into it.
no he should never do that horrible shit he was dong in man from uncle ever again.
googleplex
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Seriously. Batman is paranoid as fuck. He'd totally use a voice distortion.
It's not the character itself, it's the tone. Because Superman is doing it too with his little threat. "Stop or I will inflict violence on you". He's doing the same thing as Batman. We don't know WW's personality yet, but I wouldn't be surprised at her being an angry women at this point either.
BadAss2961
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Nah, he's the right guy. At the very least in bringing anything Miller inspired to the big screen.
blummer102
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Ughhhh I am still hyped for this movie but I kinda didn't like this clip - Batfleck was okay but the way Henry Cavill delivered his lines just wasn't vibing with me. Also - the dialogue was kind of comic bad.
Would have been better if he'd left out that bit about "the Bat is dead." I mean, c'mon dude. Also - the "consider this mercy" sounded corny, my first reaction upon hearing it was to sigh heavily. "Consider this a warning" might've been better.
Would have been better if he'd left out that bit about "the Bat is dead." I mean, c'mon dude. Also - the "consider this mercy" sounded corny, my first reaction upon hearing it was to sigh heavily. "Consider this a warning" might've been better.
I feel like this scene would come of better if it was short and sweet. "Next time they shine your light in the sky, don't go to it" is all Superman needs to say. Then he turns around the flies away while Batman delivers his line.
I also don't mind Batman's voice at all. Cavill's weak delivery hurts this scene the most imo.
I also don't mind Batman's voice at all. Cavill's weak delivery hurts this scene the most imo.
you should thank Snyder for the reality check, its better than going in hyped and being disappointed.
people forget just how mediocre MoS was
BadAss2961
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I wouldn't worry about Superman or Wonder Woman sharing that same tone too much. He's just really pissed at Batman in this scene.
While i've always thought there was something off about Clark in this movie, which I think is some sort of plot point we're unaware of, they're not gonna go from Man of Steel Superman to him suddenly being Miller's version.
I liked that and I liked this...
Calm waterfall
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The WB will probably show most of the movie before it hits the cinema.
The Silver
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This Superman feels like he's one stubbed toe away from turning into Injustice Superman
Maddocks
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Looks and sounds amazing like I knew it would. That batvoice is spot on, no more crappy try to lower your voice by yourself acting, just let computers do it and don't worry about it.
Damn, so good. need to go on blackout, no more clips for me. Can't watch no more, next time I watch anything will be in the theater for my screener.
Damn, so good. need to go on blackout, no more clips for me. Can't watch no more, next time I watch anything will be in the theater for my screener.
CosmicGroinPull
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Okay, I like the way the brows are sculpted on the cowl, and that his neck does not look stiff or restricted in any way. Bad thing is, even with his head fully straightened, his neck still looks kinda short.
Judging from the trailers so far, I won't be expecting anything great from this movie.
Judging from the trailers so far, I won't be expecting anything great from this movie.
Except that he's not. The whole point is that he doesn't have conviction about this. That's why the delivery is shaky, he chews or swallows before giving his lines- they're not natural to him- it's why he isn't just beating Batman right then and there, it's why "mercy" is as much for his own sake not having to fight than it is for Bats, and it's why Batman postures in response.
Fear and threats are Batman's weapons. He's used it for 20 years longer than this hayseed. So he sees right through Superman's lack of conviction, calls his bluff, and threatens him right back.
I don't get why people think Superman is supposed to be successfully conveying a threat through his performance... that's not who Superman is or what he's good at, even if he's trying to do it. OF COURSE he'd be bad at it! IF he was good at it, doubtless Batman wouldn't have talked smack in reply. It's because the threat is weak that Batman knows Superman isn't going to follow through on him right now.
Kenzodielocke
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In all this footage we only have seen something like 6 minutes of a 2 1/2h movie.
This is similar to the SW marketing camapaign, which also had a lot of clips but from the same scene with one or two new lines.
Gordon Shumway
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Agreed..
BadAss2961
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The marketing has made it seem like Superman just shits all over Batman like he's a nobody. It's likely on purpose so it means more when Batman goes toe to toe with him.
That's a pretty impressive context you've formed around the scene of the movie you haven't see.
Maybe it's true, but you can't possibly extrapolate all that from it alone.
This.
flaxknuckles
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Batman definitely looks more bored than angry. And Cavill's face and delivery weren't doing it for me in this scene. I wish I could go back in time and only watch the Comic Con trailer so I could still be hyped for this movie. I honestly feel like it's gonna be shit now so I'm gonna go in with that expectation so I don't let myself down.
No, it but it's the more logical and consistent read than to assume Superman genuinely wanted to put the fear of god into Batman and was filled with seething anger in the moment.
His line literally contains the word "mercy" and this plainly isn't a fight. So expecting more antagonism at this point out of Supes seems less reasonable than assuming reluctance, which is consistent with MOS.
I think people are imputing their expectations from Injustice / Knightmare Supes when it doesn't match the context of this clearly early meeting between the two.
Thicc Enigma
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I loved this clip. Cavill is Superman. Affleck will fucking deliver as usual.
Seriously though, Bruce is bitter and burnt out in this movie for several reasons.
I am not well versed in the Batman comics, but from all the media I've seen... Bruce/Batman is menacing because he comes off calculating and stoic. Isn't Batman supposed to be a detective? Why is he asking Superman if he bleeds? I feel like in any other interpretation of the character this question would be resolved by gathered DNA samples and doing some kind of research in the Batcave.
And I get that it's supposed to be a threat, but it's so literal and forced that it doesn't reflect the kind of menace and terror Batman typically gives off to the people he's targeting.
Anyway, this is a Zack Synder movie so we shouldn't expect more than just good action.
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