Triforce141
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That's my biggest gripe about Soleil, if she's such a yuri lover, why can't she S Rank with any of them?
Nintendo Removes Controversial Fire Emblem Fates Conversation
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That's my biggest gripe about Soleil, if she's such a yuri lover, why can't she S Rank with any of them?
Admiral Woofington
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How many Anime have you seen where a character turns another hetero with a potion lol
Well that's good to hear, jesus.
jack_package_200
Banned
Too be fair, Awakening sold over a million copies. Obviously they want to repeat that success.
YoYo Switch
Banned
i know. it's alright.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
It's why I would be okay if they just totally redid her character if possibly.
It's pretty much a giant trope, and a rather bad one at that.
Does it not being a gay conversion making spiking someone's drink without their consent suddenly okay?
Yeah the fact that the bi character who goes weak at the knees for cute girls but is very meh on guys can only hook up with the men is super weird.
Nights Owl
Member
I don't think it's ever 100% explicitly stated she's a lesbian in the game. Irregardless, in the end when you get the S support, she says she prefers the magic-female look of the male unit, but she fell in love with the personality of the Male Unit and is fine with that.
There's no "conversion" she just likes the Male Unit in the end for the personality of him.
That's how I interpret it from the translation in the video I provided.
Thanks. I'll look into this more. Generally speaking, when it comes to something controversial on the Internet, there is often a lot of misinformation out there. Normally, when it comes to most topics, I try to filter all that out to find the truth, but now I know to start applying that same sort of skepticism and caution to the video game press as well.
Crash Station
Member
Wait, she's not actually gay and it's just a misunderstanding?
Why not just make it clearer in the translation then?
Why not just make it clearer in the translation then?
This is why you judge things on a case by case basis.
SenorArdilla
Member
So it's just a phase.
Not really. Its a dumb situation, but now looking at other comments, i'm not quite sure thats how the scenario even plays out. Regardless, that isn't confirmation about most writing in gaming being trash by a long shot / at all.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Nope. Her character was essentially liking cute girls.
Sakura
Member
Yeah, but it's all player invoked.
Lucina and Owain are cousins but they can marry as husband and wife in the Japanese version of the game. In the localized releases, they changed their relationship to a unique status called companions. They didn't do this for the other cousins you can bond together in the game though, such as OwainxChrom!Cynthia.
Unfortunately people will not give a shit and spread misinformation like wildfire.
There are a few things like this in Awakening that were cut. In the Japanese version one of Cordelia's... 'quirks' was that she brings up her small breasts every now and then and is upset about them (this is mentioned in dialogue in the english version of the swimsuit DLC though, a lot of the DLC missed localization changes, actually), Nah calls her dad a pedo, uhh... those are the only ones I remember at the moment.
I really expect them to change Zero/Niles support with the younger characters, cause he is uncomfortably pedo-y towards them. (though this might be solved by mentally aging the young characters up a bit instead of changing Zero/Niles)
Its probably easier to just remove it to avoid controversy and potentially offending anyone since that will prevent it for sure.
dakkumauji
Member
so they didn't remove anything cause it was never there
gotta love how a lot of the outrage over IF is due to extremely shoddy translations when the game first came out and is still referenced to this day
gotta love how a lot of the outrage over IF is due to extremely shoddy translations when the game first came out and is still referenced to this day
plasmawave
Banned
Needs to be in the OP imo.
Triforce141
Member
Something having to do with Corrin needing a support with every character in the game, and Soleil is no exception.
Has there been a complete redesign of a character in recent localizations of Fire Emblem?
The only person that I can think of that got close was Henry, but even then he still kind of resembled his original Japanese part.
tirkaroKujo
Member
Soleil is just a bad character in general.
I don't often use the word "queerbaiting" because it's sorta overused and misapplied to things as a result of projecting certain values onto works where they don't exist, but in this case, yeah, this is a blatant case of queerbaiting. Which is weird given that there are supposed to be actual gay relationships in this one.
Either way, this bad convo won't be missed, outside of brainless reactionaries who had no intention of playing this game otherwise, and just want some excuse to holler "CENSORSHIP!!!!"
I don't often use the word "queerbaiting" because it's sorta overused and misapplied to things as a result of projecting certain values onto works where they don't exist, but in this case, yeah, this is a blatant case of queerbaiting. Which is weird given that there are supposed to be actual gay relationships in this one.
Either way, this bad convo won't be missed, outside of brainless reactionaries who had no intention of playing this game otherwise, and just want some excuse to holler "CENSORSHIP!!!!"
Nights Owl
Member
It's more like spiking someone's drink with sugar to make them bounce off the walls. It's not like it had a bad effect? It was to get her to talk to the Male Unit and get over her weakness. Not so he could sleep with her or something stupid. It was literally harmless.
It's not like the game is going "PUT LIQUOR IN EVERYONE'S DRINKS GUYS."
No problem. I don't view it as offensive in anyway after watching that video with a proper translation. I was shocked and confused when I first saw it online. I looked around and found his video, and I felt like his translation was a lot better and thought out.
To me it seemed like whoever that site got their translation from, mistook what they read as offensive, or personally got offended for whatever reason. Or just wanted a headline.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
I don't know. I haven't paid too much attention to a lot of things. I'm just aware there's usually some toning down in each Fire Emblem game.
Coffee Dog
Banned
I had no idea about this. Likely because I've never married them off, but also because I considered keeping it in the family (overt and implied) a FE tradition at this point.
Subhuman Filth
Member
the thread
Crash Station
Member
It's silly anime nonsense, not a roofie.
Cordelia is a pettanko? Damn...
I generally don't have a problem with the FE localizations, but I sometimes would like to play a more accurate translation of them. Like, I know Henry is a COMPLETELY different character in the localized Awakening.
Explain to me how she is straight then
Silly anime nonsense yes, but still also a hallucinogen :|
How was Henry changed? I never heard about that.
Eldigan?
I kiiiiind of hope they downplay the cousin thing because I generally like doing "canon" pairs and from what I understand Corrin(M)/Azura is the "canon" pair they're pushing but meh cousincest.
...Yeah. Eldigan. Forgive me, I swear Ares and Eldigan look more like twins than father and son >.>
Crash Station
Member
She's attracted to the female form, but sexually attracted to men. You can still be a straight guy and think "man, that's a really nice cock!"
Alternatively, she's a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale.
AcademicSaucer
Member
She was always hetero tho.
The problem is that Soleil and her "quirk" is just poorly written and thought out in general. It very much plays into a Japanese trope that doesn't translate into anything in the west and is ripe with unfortunate implications. So it's dumb, just not "gay conversion with magic potion" dumb.
Coffee Dog
Banned
well, i assume she is sexually attracted to men.
PreyingShark
Member
The Tumblr version of the 4chan version of a support conversation that's actually based on a Japanese trope that is confusing as hell to the Western audience and was destined to be written out from the start.
Nights Owl
Member
This literally made me almost spit out my soda. God, that was funny.
Sakura
Member
She can marry like 6 different male characters, and none of them have to use magic to 'trick' her into liking them?
In a game with actual bi characters, and where the protagonist can literally marry every one as long as they are the opposite sex, or a bi character, a female protagonist can't marry her?
Regardless of her terrible character and writing, she doesn't appear to be romantically interested in females. It's just supposed to be a dumb joke that she inherited her 'womanizing' or whatever you want to call it, from her dad.